Continually asking for forgiveness

[PapaZoom]

I love it when people come in here and lecture us on our misunderstandings. Especially when they know nothing about our private lives. :/ meh

 

[Commander]

I love it when people come in here and lecture us on our misunderstandings. Especially when they know nothing about our private lives. :/ meh

Yeah me to. It's like we don't know anything, right. Have a blessed day brother.

 

[DamianWarS]

Only if we have actually sinned. If we have not done anything wrong then there is no need.

Most of us see God as so much better than we are that we feel ourselves to be inadequate in comparison, and we ask forgiveness for this inadequacy, as if we have a choice.

What do a rapist and Billy Graham have in common?
It's that they both need Christ.

Christians have a tenancy of adding their sins up like marks on a chalk board then when they are forgiven the marks are wiped clean and we start over again. The problem with this is it assumes that from the time we are forgiven to our first mistake we do not need Christ.

This type of thinking is counter gospel; we need Christ as much as we do before and after we ask for forgiveness. The difference with the rapist and Billy Graham is that Mr. Graham recognises and responds to his need for Christ where the rapist (in this example) does not but both need Christ as much as the other.

Sin is a state that we cannot fix regardless how many times we have asked for forgiveness. It is only Christ that can fix this state and we need it continually not just a couple times a week or only in the mornings; there is not one moment where we need Christ's redemptive power less.

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[Commander]

What do a rapist and Billy Graham have in common?
It's that they both need Christ.

Christians have a tenancy of adding their sins up like marks on a chalk board then when they are forgiven the marks are wiped clean and we start over again. The problem with this is it assumes that from the time we are forgiven to our first mistake we do not need Christ.

This type of thinking is counter gospel; we need Christ as much as we do before and after we ask for forgiveness. The difference with the rapist and Billy Graham is that Mr. Graham recognises and responds to his need for Christ where the rapist (in this example) does not but both need Christ as much as the other.

Sin is a state that we cannot fix regardless how many times we have asked for forgiveness. It is only Christ that can fix this state and we need it continually not just a couple times a week or only in the mornings; there is not one moment where we need Christ's redemptive power less.

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If I may recommend reading Hebrews 10:10.

 

[Catherineanne]

What do a rapist and Billy Graham have in common?
It's that they both need Christ.

Christians have a tenancy of adding their sins up like marks on a chalk board then when they are forgiven the marks are wiped clean and we start over again. The problem with this is it assumes that from the time we are forgiven to our first mistake we do not need Christ.

I don't know any Christians who behave like that. Perhaps you could choose your acquaintances more carefully? Just a thought.

This type of thinking is counter gospel; we need Christ as much as we do before and after we ask for forgiveness. The difference with the rapist and Billy Graham is that Mr. Graham recognises and responds to his need for Christ where the rapist (in this example) does not but both need Christ as much as the other.

See above. 'This type of thinking' is a windmill at which you are tilting.

Sin is a state that we cannot fix regardless how many times we have asked for forgiveness. It is only Christ that can fix this state and we need it continually not just a couple times a week or only in the mornings; there is not one moment where we need Christ's redemptive power less.

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Twaddle.

God created us to have mature relationships with him, based on striving, failing and striving again, in order to become the best version of ourselves that we can be, with his help. I do not want my daughter to grovel in fear and shame before me every moment of every day because that would diminish who she is, not encourage her to grow in maturity and faith, and I am not capable of being a better parent than God is.

Think about it.

 

[Goatee]

Brother I do not say that I have no sin, our sin was hung on the cross. Therefor I was made free from sin. I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me, if you commit sin you have neither seen nor known Christ.

How can agree that you do indeed have sin and yet also say that if you commit sin you have neither seen nor known Christ? Contradiction?

We are 'all' sinners. We all need to repent when we sin. Jesus died to save us from our sins. He came and gave us a way to be forgiven. He didn't die for past, present and future sins in that we dont need to worry about sinning ever again and not repent and seek absolution!

Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him. It is not going to be an easy journey! On that journey we are bound to sin however hard we try. This is when we repent sincerely and beg for forgiveness.

 

[Commander]

How can agree that you do indeed have sin and yet also say that if you commit sin you have neither seen nor known Christ? Contradiction?

We are 'all' sinners. We all need to repent when we sin. Jesus died to save us from our sins. He came and gave us a way to be forgiven. He didn't die for past, present and future sins in that we dont need to worry about sinning ever again and not repent and seek absolution!

Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him. It is not going to be an easy journey! On that journey we are bound to sin however hard we try. This is when we repent sincerely and beg for forgiveness.

No, brother we are not all sinners, so do not include me in your misdeeds(I was made free from sin, and remember sinners are in error in their beliefs[James 5:20]).
By the will of God, Jesus Christ died once for all sin for all mankind, and therefore sanctified us(Hebrews 10:10). Sanctified means-made Holy.
There is no contradiction there brother, I do not say that we have no sin(for I would call God a liar, and the scriptures have concluded all under sin, so that God might have mercy unto all. Know that God has shown me His mercy.). What I do say is that our sin was hung on the cross(for God made Jesus Christ to be sin for us[2 Corinthians 5:21). Therefore we(mankind) are made free from sin(Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22).
Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour took all sin of all mankind, and nailed it to the cross(Colossians 2:14).
Never let any man tell you that you are a sinner, including yourself. For there is nothing there for you to sin against(Ephesians 2:15).

 

[Goatee]

No, brother we are not all sinners, so do not include me in your misdeeds(I was made free from sin, and remember sinners are in error in their beliefs[James 5:20]).
By the will of God, Jesus Christ died once for all sin for all mankind, and therefore sanctified us(Hebrews 10:10). Sanctified means-made Holy.
There is no contradiction there brother, I do not say that we have no sin(for I would call God a liar, and the scriptures have concluded all under sin, so that God might have mercy unto all. Know that God has shown me His mercy.). What I do say is that our sin was hung on the cross(for God made Jesus Christ to be sin for us[2 Corinthians 5:21). Therefore we(mankind) are made free from sin(Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22).
Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour took all sin of all mankind, and nailed it to the cross(Colossians 2:14).
Never let any man tell you that you are a sinner, including yourself. For there is nothing there for you to sin against(Ephesians 2:15).

Never let any man say that once saved always saved!

You, my friend, are a sinner just like the next person. You were born in sin.

You have interpreted scripture wrongly to suit your narrow view.

How can you say you were made free from sin?

How can you say you were made free from sin and also say:

'There is no contradiction there brother, I do not say that we have no sin'

Contradiction there my dear friend!

I am a sinner! I am human! I repent! I go to confession! Once saved always saved is a lie!!!! You have to work hard to be sin free. You cannot expect Jesus to have suffered and died so that you can forget about sin!

You are so wrong in your interpretations of scripture and your belief on having no sin etc. So wrong buddy!

 

[Commander]

Never let any man say that once saved always saved!

You, my friend, are a sinner just like the next person. You were born in sin.

You have interpreted scripture wrongly to suit your narrow view.

How can you say you were made free from sin?

How can you say you were made free from sin and also say:

'There is no contradiction there brother, I do not say that we have no sin'

Contradiction there my dear friend!

I am a sinner! I am human! I repent! I go to confession! Once saved always saved is a lie!!!! You have to work hard to be sin free. You cannot expect Jesus to have suffered and died so that you can forget about sin!

You are so wrong in your interpretations of scripture and your belief on having no sin etc. So wrong buddy!

For whosoever commits sin is of the devil! Do you know where to find where it states this? Read your Bible. I am of God! "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled" That is all I have to say about it any further, for I am dusting off my shoes.

 

[Goatee]

For whosoever commits sin is of the devil! Do you know where to find where it states this? Read your Bible. I am of God! "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled" That is all I have to say about it any further, for I am dusting off my shoes.

Romans 3:9-10
None Is Righteous
9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, 10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;

Romans 3:23
23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

 

[Commander]

Romans 3:9-10
None Is Righteous
9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all; for I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, 10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;

Romans 3:23
23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

You are taking a verse of scripture and not continuing to read all of the epistle to the Romans, if you did you will find in Romans 5:18 " Therefore as by the offense of one(Adam) judgment came upon all men(you, me, and every other person) to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one(Jesus Christ) the free gift came upon all men(you, me, and every other person) unto justification to life".
You will also find in Romans 9:30 that the Gentiles have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith(that would be the faith of Jesus Christ, or to have faith in God). Gentiles are what we would call unbelievers/Pagans/Atheist/Agnostics, or in what are called Greeks in the verse of Romans 3:9.
You will also find in Romans 11:32 where God has concluded(meaning-to shut up, enclose, include; to bring to an end, to finish, close) them all(Jew and Gentile/Greek) in unbelief so that he might have mercy upon all. He included the Jews-because they did not believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, and He included the Gentiles because they did not believe in the one true God.
In the verse of 2 Corinthians 5 :21 we are told that Jesus Christ was made sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him(Jesus Christ).
Also know this: that it is not your faith, my faith or any other persons faith that justified/saved us. It was the faith of Jesus Christ, his faith that justified/saved us(Galatians 2:16).
Now Romans 3:23. If I were to ask you about past, present or future tense. Would you say that Romans 3:23 is in past tense? For all have sinned? Does it say that all do, or that all will(No)? Does it say in Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22 that we are free from sin(yes).

 

[Goatee]

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You have been continuously taking bits of scripture throughout this thread to suit your own beliefs!

Jesus came to save sinners, like me and you. He has given us a life line to absolution. A way to repent when we sin.

Jesus did not die so that anyone could sin freely forever without a worry or without repenting!!!

WE ARE HUMAN!! PRONE TO SIN!!!

Seek the Mercy of God when you sin. Repent. Seek absolution.

God bless you buddy

 

[rjs330]

Brother I do not say that I have no sin, our sin was hung on the cross. Therefor I was made free from sin. I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me, if you commit sin you have neither seen nor known Christ.

One sin or continuous sin? Can you today commit a sin and still,be saved?

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[rjs330]

I am just wanting to use the word of God for correction for instruction in righteousness here so that you, my brothers and sisters may know for yourselves what the word of God(Bible) states about sinners. If you commit sin then you are a sinner. First of all you should know what sin is, and the verse which tells us what sin is, is 1 John 3:4(sin is the transgression of the law). These verses are not in any particular order, but sinners are:
1. Separate from Jesus Christ-found in Hebrews 7:26.
2. Ungodly-Jude 1:15
3. God does not hear sinners-John 9:31
4. The servant of sin-John 8:34
5. Has not seen Jesus Christ, neither known him-1 John 3:6
6. Are of the devil-1 John 3:8
7. Are in error in their beliefs-James 5:20
So, are you a sinner of the devil, or are you born of God? For if you are born of God, "you do not and cannot sin"-this quote is from the verse of 1 John 3:9. How do you know that you are born of God?, the answer is found in the verse of 1 John 4:7. Yes, if you love you are born of God, and know God, and therefore do not and cannot sin. Have a blessed day, and do not let any man tell you that you are a sinner, including yourself. When you put two or more verses together you will come to the knowledge of the truth.

The tenses are based on continuous sin, not single sin. I as a believer can lie today without being a liar. I can steal today without being a thief (as a lifestyle). That's the difference my friend. I can do those things and still,be saved. Maybe you are saying that, but it sounds like you are saying that I as a believer cannot sin. So if I tell a lie I am either not actually sinning or I am not saved. Am I understanding you right?

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[newlightseven]

No, brother we are not all sinners, so do not include me in your misdeeds(I was made free from sin, and remember sinners are in error in their beliefs[James 5:20]).
By the will of God, Jesus Christ died once for all sin for all mankind, and therefore sanctified us(Hebrews 10:10). Sanctified means-made Holy.
There is no contradiction there brother, I do not say that we have no sin(for I would call God a liar, and the scriptures have concluded all under sin, so that God might have mercy unto all. Know that God has shown me His mercy.). What I do say is that our sin was hung on the cross(for God made Jesus Christ to be sin for us[2 Corinthians 5:21). Therefore we(mankind) are made free from sin(Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22).
Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour took all sin of all mankind, and nailed it to the cross(Colossians 2:14).
Never let any man tell you that you are a sinner, including yourself. For there is nothing there for you to sin against(Ephesians 2:15).

Luke 18:10 9To some who trusted in their own righteousness and viewed others with contempt, He also told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.…But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner. “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Be wise... Commander John didn't call people to repent for nothing

 

[rjs330]

I think I get where commander is coming from. His scripture are correct. True believers do not sin and indeed cannot sin. We are justified in Christ. HOWEVER, he misunderstands what scripture is saying. Christians are not sinners anymore. But what that means is we do not CONTINUE in sin. Not that we cannot commit a sin. A sinner is,bound by sin and is not righteous and a slave to his sinful nature. Believers are made righteous in Christ. We carry the breastplate of righteousness. We are no longer slaves to our sinful natures. We do commit sin at times, but we can go through periods of sinlessness as we choose to to sin. But then something will happen and we will sin. At those times we confess,our sin and are cleansed.

Believers don't have to sin like unbelievers, we choose to sin.

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[St. Paul]

This is a true story. I did a lot of bad things when I was a teenager that I've regretted all my life. God one day actually got sick of me always asking for his forgiveness for what I did. He got so angry with me that he made me go next door and apologize to my neighbor Mary who some 30 years ago, I threw a bunch of wet toilet paper and an egg against the side of her house on devil's night with a friend of mine when I was like 8-10 years old or so. I remember walking over to her house thinking this was crazy but God was making me do it. So I go over to her house and apologize and she said exactly three words to me. "I forgive you." God knew that was exactly what I needed to hear. "I forgive you." This happened back in April of 2012. So now I just ask God to forgive me for the stuff I've done recently since he doesn't want to hear me apologize for the millionth time about the stuff I did a whole life time ago as a teenager. LOL!

 

[Victor E.]

My Christian friend asks,

'Did not the Lord teach, in the 'Lord's Prayer', to make asking for forgiveness a continuing feature of a believer's relationship with the Lord?'
[underlining mine].

I say, 'NO, not at all'.

This is from a personal Faith: No. It is not required. We already repented when we accepted Him into our hearts, denying ourselves and taking up HIS cross. I feel we should be encouraged to pray it if it is helpful in building us up. We should continually ask for forgiveness it is comforting to us, but it is not required. Jesus remains faithFULL even if we are going through hard times in our life that may cause us to be faithLESS. If He has set us free from the law of the written code, would He want us to go back to the repentance of dead works?

"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permits." Hebrews 6:1-3 (BSB).

Some might argue with James 2:14-26 that Faith without works is Dead. I believe that is just to show a tension. It is nigh impossible to Have Faith and NOT do good works in some capacity. Jesus has already done the GREATEST work for us. This is just my opinion. That we don't need to "try" because it will come naturally through His love so we can share to others in even the smallest of ways.

"For my yoke is easy and my burden is light" Matthew 11:30

 

[faroukfarouk]

This is from a personal Faith: No. It is not required. We already repented when we accepted Him into our hearts, denying ourselves and taking up HIS cross. I feel we should be encouraged to pray it if it is helpful in building us up. We should continually ask for forgiveness it is comforting to us, but it is not required. Jesus remains faithFULL even if we are going through hard times in our life that may cause us to be faithLESS. If He has set us free from the law of the written code, would He want us to go back to the repentance of dead works?

"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permits." Hebrews 6:1-3 (BSB).

Some might argue with James 2:14-26 that Faith without works is Dead. I believe that is just to show a tension. It is nigh impossible to Have Faith and NOT do good works in some capacity. Jesus has already done the GREATEST work for us. This is just my opinion. That we don't need to "try" because it will come naturally through His love so we can share to others in even the smallest of ways.

"For my yoke is easy and my burden is light" Matthew 11:30

John's First Epistle is also relevant; those who walk in the light in faith in the Lord Jesus are being cleansed (present continuous).

 

[Victor E.]

John's First Epistle is also relevant; those who walk in the light in faith in the Lord Jesus are being cleansed (present continuous).

Good Word!