Considering Islam

[AskTheFamily]

Arabic is not that of a good language for divine revelation. This is especially when the revelation uses words that have different meanings....and so you have verses with so much possible interpretations. The same with hadiths.

 

[Christianmilitaryofficer]

Arabic is not that of a good language for divine revelation. This is especially when the revelation uses words that have different meanings....and so you have verses with so much possible interpretations. The same with hadiths.

You could say the same of Hebrew or English.

Perhaps struggling with the meaning is as important as the words themselves?

 

[dlamberth]

Arabic is not that of a good language for divine revelation.

A Divine Revelation...that being Jesus Christ...He spoke Aramaic, which is a sister to Arabic, and that worked quite well for Him. And what about the Divine Revelation one finds in la ilaha illa?

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[JJWhite]

I know others may not share this view, but I see life as a test. If we were handed all the answers on a silver platter, it wouldn't be much of a test. Struggling to find out and working hard to implement what we find out as we develop and learn new things and change our views as we grow on our journey... all of that is important.

 

[JJWhite]

That's not to say that the Arabic isn't precise.. it's that we have to study the language of the time. Languages evolve, and so Muslims have to study pre-Islaamic poetry, etc... Islaam spread to non-Arabs lands within a decade or two... that made the language get watered down... the more we study classical Arabic, the better our understanding will be and the more we'll appreciate the beauty of it. Even in the few classes I've attended that tackle Qur'aanic Arabic, I've been blown away.

 

[AskTheFamily]

I know others may not share this view, but I see life as a test. If we were handed all the answers on a silver platter, it wouldn't be much of a test. Struggling to find out and working hard to implement what we find out as we develop and learn new things and change our views as we grow on our journey... all of that is important.

Having a difficult test doesn't make sense with belief that hell (extreme torture) awaits those whom fail it. That paints a cruel image of God. He makes a hard test, you have to struggle, and if you fail, he will torture you in an extreme way.

 

[AskTheFamily]

That's not to say that the Arabic isn't precise..

Like the words Wali, Mawla, Awliya? Sometimes context isn't enough to show you the meaning.

 

[JJWhite]

Having a difficult test doesn't make sense with belief that hell (extreme torture) awaits those whom fail it. That paints a cruel image of God. He makes a hard test, you have to struggle, and if you fail, he will torture you in an extreme way.

But with God taking off minimal points for mistakes and generously increasing points for correct bits and excusing you your honest mistakes (as a result of genuine ignorance- not neglect) and forgetfulness or any times you aren't fully aware of what you're doing (including young age, etc.) and gives you credit for trying.. I sincerely have hope and expectation that a lot more will pass the test than most people expect... the warnings are still there to keep us in shape.. for example.. what if I'm the least sincere one here... I'd better make sure to keep working at it. Inside and out need continuous reform, and as long as we're sincerely trying, I think we're good.

 

[dlamberth]

I know others may not share this view, but I see life as a test.

For myself...Life is a dance of Love.

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[JJWhite]

Like the words Wali, Mawla, Awliya? Sometimes context isn't enough to show you the meaning.

I have my understanding (generally based on the particular quotes I heard from early Muslims), but I have not studied the word and its derivative from a linguistic perspective. It'll have to be added to my fifty-bazillion item long list of things to learn.

 

[JJWhite]

For myself...Life is a dance of Love.

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I don't see why one necessarily has to contradict the other, depending on what you mean, too.

 

[AskTheFamily]

The root word establishes a relationship, that's all. It could be that of friendship, authority, protection, guardianship, assistance, love, servitude etc. Context is suppose to show the meaning, but it doesn't always.

 

[simplegifts]

A Divine Revelation...that being Jesus Christ...He spoke Aramaic, which is a sister to Arabic, and that worked quite well for Him. And what about the Divine Revelation one finds in la ilaha illa?

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More then likely Jesus also spoke/read Hebrew and Greek.

 

[Christianmilitaryofficer]

More then likely Jesus also spoke/read Hebrew and Greek.

Do you have any evidence of this at all?

 

[simplegifts]

Do you have any evidence of this at all?

Greek was the official language of the Roman Empire - the officials, soldiers and roman citizens. Aramaic was common in the small villages. Rabbis and Temple officials would have used Hebrew for worship and the Scriptures.

In Luke 4 Jesus went to a synagogue and read from scrolls.

I wonder if Pilate spoke Aramaic?

Andrew and Phillip had Greek names-
John 12
20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.

Boanerges is Greek:
Mark 3
17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:

 

[Christianmilitaryofficer]

Greek was the official language of the Roman Empire - the officials, soldiers and roman citizens. Aramaic was common in the small villages. Rabbis and Temple officials would have used Hebrew for worship and the Scriptures.

In Luke 4 Jesus went to a synagogue and read from scrolls.

I wonder if Pilate spoke Aramaic?

Andrew and Phillip had Greek names-
John 12
20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.

Boanerges is Greek:
Mark 3
17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:

There is a lot wrong with this. Have you researched this at all?

 

[simplegifts]

There is a lot wrong with this. Have you researched this at all?

You need proof to support your claim.

Yep and how I came to that conclusion.

Don't worry it doesn't make Jesus GOD simply because he was multilingual!! It was a very common occurance, just as it is today in Europe.

I would wager that more then likely only Americans have only one language under their belts!

 

[Christianmilitaryofficer]

You need proof to support your claim.

Yep and how I came to that conclusion.

Don't worry it doesn't make Jesus GOD simply because he was multilingual!! It was a very common occurance, just as it is today in Europe.

I would wager that more then likely only Americans have only one language under their belts!

What told you the official language of the Roman empire was Greek?

 

[simplegifts]

What told you the official language of the Roman empire was Greek?

History.

Sorry I may have confused you- I am speaking about the time and place of Jesus.

The Roman Empire might have started out with a different language, but when it conquered Greece it took on may Greek speaking people, along with their culture, politics, religion, etc. The west part of the empire remained Latin and the east part Greek speaking.

 

[Christianmilitaryofficer]

History.

Sorry I may have confused you- I am speaking about the time and place of Jesus.

The Roman Empire might have started out with a different language, but when it conquered Greece it took on may Greek speaking people, along with their culture, politics, religion, etc. The west part of the empire remained Latin and the east part Greek speaking.

This is not true, at least not as you are describing it. How about providing a link?