In your linked article - we have this as the start
"Some religious organizations (Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church "changed" the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead."
Notice that in the list of NT texts given not one single text says "week-day-1 is the Sabbath" or "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day" or "we gather every week-day-1 for worship"..
Yet in Acts 18:1-5 we have both Jews and Gentiles gather for Sabbath sermons and hearing the Gospel - "every Sabbath". Where is that for "week-day-1"??
So now - let's do a simple "Sola Scriptura" exercise -
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Let's start with the "sola scriptura" case for Sunday vs the Bible Sabbath.
1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "
week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)
2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "
they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.
3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "
they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.
4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "
from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.
5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "
the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in
Mark 2:28.
6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "
there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.
7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying
"remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.
8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself!
Mark 7:6-13
Mark 7
7 Howbeit
in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
8 For laying aside
the Commandment of God, ye hold the
tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the
commandment of God, that ye may
keep your own tradition.
10 For
Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the
Word of God of none effect through
your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered
"sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture
1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)
Once again, the Sabbath was under the OLD COVENANT, which is passed away. There would be nothing in the Old Covenant (OT) because the Sabbath was in force and was given as a part of the covenant God had with national Israel. (Exodus 31:6)
1. Since you are Roman Catholic according to your profile - then you know that the Sabbath commandment is still admitted to be binding on the saints - even by RCC standards. So says the Catechism... so says Dies Domini. So not sure why you are opposing my post on the basis above.
The Catholic church argument is not that the Ten Commandments have been downsized to "nine" but rather that the Sabbath Commandment still remains binding on the saints - but it is now bend/edited to point to week-day-1 and away from the seventh day as God gave it.
2. Your own "Faith Explained" (commentary on the Baltimore Catechism By Leo Trese complete with Papal Imprimatur) says that there is no Bible reason for transferring the solemnity of the Sabbath commandment "The Lord's Day" as the text says -- to week-day-1 and away from the 7th day Saturday.
3. "
Do not take the name of the Lord your God in vain" is also in the Ten Commandments - given to Israel - and never quoted in the NT... is it your claim we are free to break it? The RCC itself does not agree to such a basis for ignoring the TEN Commandments.
4 the "
NEW Covenant" of Jer 31:31-33 and Hebrews 8:6-10 is made only with the "House of Israel and the house of Judah" according to the text. The reason it applies to all the saints is because "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly" Romans 2.
5. Your text above does nothing to answer the point raise as point 1 in the post, except it seems to give up on finding any such support for week-day-1 as we see in the post quoted for God's Sabbath.
2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "
they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in
Acts 18:4-6.
Of course there is, you just have to look for it. Open your eyes.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first
day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as
God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
This is one of the indicators that the Christians had started to meet on the first day of the week. The Christians at first did not consider themselves a new religion, but rather a fulfillment of Judaism. As such, it is natural for them to continue to meet on the Sabbath and to participate in the rituals of Judaism. But as time went along and the Jews were resistant to the Gospel and began a serious persecution of the followers of Christ, the Christians withdrew from the Temple and Sabbath worship. There came a point they began to realize that they were no longer intimately connected to Judaism, that something new was on the horizon which was not associated anymore with Jewish worship, other than the foundational prophecies which Judaism had given it.
There is no week-day-1 meeting mentioned at all in 1Cor 16:2. Rather there is the "individual" action where each one lays by himself in store - at home at the start of each week. It says nothing about "assemble each week-day-1" and it says nothing about "while assembled on week-day-1 which is the Lord's Day - do this".
All of that would have to be eisegeted read-into-the-text for the sake of bias. it simply is not there without such methods.
3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "
they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in
Acts 13 and
Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Yes, initially Paul and the Apostles went into the Synagogue to worship and convince their fellow Jews that this Jesus of Nazareth was the promised and expected Messiah. However, as the were rejected, they eventually left their association with the Jews.
You also have forgotten Christ's description of the coming Kingdom. He said that the Kingdom would be as a "mustard seed" which would be planted in the ground. Now a seed looks nothing like the finished tree. It has to grow, mature, and change in form and appearance. That is what happened to the Church, but you insist that the Church was as it should always be. Not so. There was much growth which needed to take place. Look at all the Pauline writings. They were, for the majority, to address issues of living and worship because the Christian faith was something entirely new.
Here again you point to not text at all saying that Jews and gentiles were meeting "Every week-day-1" for gospel or worship.
Acts 18 4 And he was reasoning in the
synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
Another example of "Every Sabbath" gospel worship services in the synagogues where the Gospel is being presented to both Jews and gentiles. no such thing as that sort of reference for week-day-1 not even in the Christian churches.
4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.
This appears to be pointing to the New Covenant time in which we live now. This leads to the question, "What is the Sabbath of the New Covenant?" Christ is our Sabbath rest, and that is only possible because of the work He did on the Cross. Therefore, it is entirely appropriate to celebrate the Resurrection on the Third Day as fulfilled and giving us rest. If you celebrate the Sabbath, you are still looking for the rest promised. In other words, denying the reality of Christ's Sabbath rest for us.
That is circular reasoning - instead of finding a text saying "From week-day-1 to week-day-1" -- you are going to insert a meaning for the term "Sabbath" into the Is 66 text that would be foreign to the writer and his readers. That is circular reasoning - it is not find a true "from week-day-1 to week-day-1 come to worship"
5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "
the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in
Mark 2:28.
No, Mark is not in the New Covenant. This is a common error. The New Covenant did not start until the death of Christ on the Cross, and we know this because at the instant He died, the veil of the Temple which covered the Holiest of All was rent in two, exposing the Holy Place and making it unfit to ever offer Yom Kippor for the Old Covenant. Jesus was still preaching to Jews in the context of the Old Covenant, still teaching them about God and inviting them to receive Him as Messiah and Lord.
The argument that we should pay not attention to the teaching of Christ in the Gospels does not survive Matt 28 where Christ tells his followers to go teach others what he taught them.
6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "
there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.
7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying
"remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.
8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself!
Mark 7:6-13
A change in the structure is not the same as ignoring. The same accusation could be made by Jews regarding our worship of the Trinity. To them, that is a violation of not worshiping "other gods" and that it violates the idea of there being ONE God.
Why do you not celebrate the Passover?
Why do you not offer animals in sacrifice?
Why do you not promote circumcision as necessary?
Hebrews 10 says of "animal sacrifices" and "the blood and bulls and goats" -- "He takes away the first to establish the second" - the NT says specifically that the ceremonies based in animal sacrifices had ended - and so also in Hebrews 7 did the earthly priesthood end.
in Christ,
Bob
