Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[tzadik]

You'll have to take that up with God since it is his word in Heb 8:13.

I don't see the word Law anywhere in Hebrews 8:13...

 

[Frogster]

I don't see the word Law anywhere in Hebrews 8:13...

so the laws were not intregal to the cov? besides, temple laws were in the cov, the temple was for purification from breaking laws of the cov...dude...


lev 26;15 if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,

 

[Frogster]

Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

He definitely fulfilled everything concerning His first coming.
However, as a student of Scripture, I would hope that you believe He is coming back to fulfill yet many more things that were written about Him in His second coming!

EVERYTHING has absolutely not been yet accomplished. This is an indisputable fact.

Acts 3 summarizes this fact rather nicely:

18. "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19. "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
20. and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21. whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

Yes He has fulfilled everything written about the Suffering Servant.
BUT, He has yet to return to fulfill everything written about the Conquering King!
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It is at this time that this will happen: "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband."

Heaven and earth will literally pass away, just like He said in Matthew 5:18 (and Luke 16:17).

So in actuality Matthew 5:17-20 and Luke 24:44-- 100% agree with Luke 16:17.

but he sure fulfilled the law, the law that u hold up, it says moses in luke 24. No?

 

[Frogster]

You have my attention

maybe my question did not get your attention, maybe u did not see it?

ok, u keep the 10, but yet you reach/select out of those, into food stuff, all while you do not reach into festival stuff. Why?

please expalin your methodolgy, thanks, froggy.

 

[tzadik]

so the laws were not intregal to the cov?

Just as integral as it is here: "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Beautiful

 

[tzadik]

so the laws were not intregal to the cov?

Just as integral as it is here: "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Beautiful

And just integral as God's Law was here: "Sojourn in this land and I will be with you and bless you, for to you and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will establish the oath which I swore to your father Abraham. "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws."

God's Laws are all-encompassing

 

[tzadik]

but he sure fulfilled the law, the law that u hold up, it says moses in luke 24. No?

You fulfill the law every time you obey God's commandments.

"Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law."

He clearly said, I did not come to abolish/destroy/do away/put an end to but to fulfill/do/carry out/perform the Law of God and the Prophets

 

[Clare73]

Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

He definitely fulfilled everything concerning His first coming.
However, as a student of Scripture, I would hope that you believe He is coming back to fulfill yet many more things that were written about Him in His second coming!

You jumped the rail.

The subject here is the Mosaic Law and its setting aside (Heb 7:18-19), the subject is not the "all" of Scripture
in Lk 24:44.

The shadows, copies, patterns (types) of the Mosaic Law (Heb 8:5, 10:1) have been fulfilled in Christ (Col 2:17),
which is one of the reasons it has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19).

The other reasons are:
1) it was based on the Levitical priesthood to admininster it, and the Levitical priesthood no longer exists (Heb 7:11-12);

2) it has been replaced by the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2) which is love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10), and with no curse (Gal 3:10) attached, and no ceremonial laws.

The law of Christ (Ro 13:8-10) is not the law of Moses with its inherent curse (Gal 3:10).
That is an eternal difference.

 

[Frogster]

Just as integral as it is here: "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Beautiful

then why didn't jerusalm bind the church to the law, if it were the same things written internally, they would have to bind externally.

lets see a clear answer to that!

 

[Frogster]

And just integral as God's Law was here: "Sojourn in this land and I will be with you and bless you, for to you and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will establish the oath which I swore to your father Abraham. "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws."

God's Laws are all-encompassing

u did not disprove my point, u were talking heb 8;13, looking for the law word, but lev 26;15 shows otherwise, u were incorrect.

i have shown u over and over about abaraham, law 430 later gal 3;17, rom 5;13, no law back then, and david, paul, stephen, moses, nehemiah, all say sinai..

sooooo

 

[tzadik]

You jumped the rail.

The subject here is the Mosaic Law and its setting aside (Heb 7:18-19), the subject is not the "all" of Scripture
in Lk 24:44.

Incorrect...
"...in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
He is telling them that everything in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. He cannot be the Messiah unless He does what the Scriptures have written about Him.

This isn't a "single out the Law" matter. He was referring to the entire Tanakh (of if you want to be specific, the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms)*

Now are you telling me that He has fulfilled everything about Himself, in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms during His first coming????

 

[Frogster]

Incorrect...
"...in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
He is telling them that everything in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. He cannot be the Messiah unless He does what the Scriptures have written about Him.

This isn't a "single out the Law" matter. He was referring to the entire Tanakh (of if you want to be specific, the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms)*

Now are you telling me that He has fulfilled everything about Himself, in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms during His first coming????

but he differentiated, and said moses in luke 24!

did he just say the psalms?

 

[TruthWarrior]

I didn't say that Christians need not live in accord with the moral teachings of the commandments. But exactly what do you mean by 'keep the 10 commandments' and what do you expect to be the result of making that effort?

Well, if ever you were tempted to steal and you refused because you knew it would be breaking God's law, then this means you are being obedient to God. It's not rocket science when you think about it.

 

[TruthWarrior]

You'll have to take that up with God since it is his word in Heb 8:13.

But Hebrews 8:13 doesn't say that the 10 commandments were made obsolete. I doubt any honest Christian could stand up in the pulpit with a straight face and declare that the 10 commandments have been abolished.

 

[tzadik]

then why didn't jerusalm bind the church to the law, if it were the same things written internally, they would have to bind externally.

lets see a clear answer to that!

A. this New Covenant you speak of in Jeremiah 31 has yet to be accomplished. (Unless you can show me where the two houses have been restored, Israel has been re-gathered from the nations where they were scattered, EVERYONE who is part of the New covenant knows the Lord and there is no longer a need for witnessing and teaching our neighbors about the Lord. Not to mention God rebuilding the city from the Tower of Hanalel to the corner gate)

B. The subject of Acts 15 was false judaizers trying to enforce circumcision and obedience in order to obtain salvation (verse 1). The disciples agreed that they should give them 4 requirements (from the Torah ironically) that would make these Gentile believers make a radical break from their pagan lifestyles, because as verse 21 tells us, they would learn the rest of God's Instructions as they continue to gather with fellow believers.

C. There is not a single reference in the Scriptures that shows us that any believer (gentile or jew) breaking God's commandments or living a lifestyle of disobedience to the Law of God.

 

[Clare73]

I don't see the word Law anywhere in Hebrews 8:13...

Correct, my mistake.

It is the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant that is aging and disappearing (2,000 yrs. ago) in Heb 8:13,

and since the Levitical priesthood on which the Mosaic Law depended for administration no longer exists (Heb 7:11-12),

the Mosaic Law with its inherent curse (Gal 3:10) has also been set aside (Heb 7:18-19), abolished (Eph 2:15) and

replaced with the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2), which is love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10), with no curse.

This is Jesus' revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, if ever you were tempted to steal and you refused because you knew it would be breaking God's law, then this means you are being obedient to God. It's not rocket science when you think about it.

What is the result of being obedient to God, what happens?

 

[TruthWarrior]

Correct, my mistake.

It is the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant that is aging and disappearing (2,000 yrs. ago) in Heb 8:13,

and since the Levitical priesthood on which the Mosaic Law depended for administration no longer exists (Heb 7:11-12),

the Mosaic Law with its inherent curse (Gal 3:10) has also been set aside (Heb 7:18-19), abolished (Eph 2:15)

and replaced with the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2), which is love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10).

This is Jesus' revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT.

Very bad theology. Jesus came to remove the curse by keeping God's law perfectly and dying for our sins. But I challenge you and anybody else to quote one single verse from Paul where he says that Christians are free to break the 10 commandments.

 

[Frogster]

Well, if ever you were tempted to steal and you refused because you knew it would be breaking God's law, then this means you are being obedient to God. It's not rocket science when you think about it.

festivals were the law.

 

[TruthWarrior]

What is the result of being obedient to God, what happens?

Revelation 22:14 gives you the answer.