Confused about the character of God

[nightmares]

I am not sure how I can be blamed for crucifying Jesus. I was not alive back then. We need to see humans as individuals, not as some ugly collective organism.

Unfortunately many Christians subscribe to the idea that everyone deserves death regardless of what they do and that every single person would have eaten from the tree of knowledge

 

[trophy33]

Unfortunately many Christians subscribe to the idea that everyone deserves death regardless of what they do and that every single person would have eaten from the tree of knowledge

Luckily, God loves the world.

 

[nightmares]

Luckily, God loves the world.

Yeah I don't see how he can

And by that I mean this meaningless circle of life. What's the point of having us trapped in this hamster wheel

 

[Neogaia777]

Most human beings only seem to be as good as they are only because they haven't been properly tested, or carefully weighed and measured yet.

But, that being said, some human beings sometimes still have a lot of very good potential that they are maybe contributing to the world sometimes, etc, unfortunately it's not enough to save us though, or prevent our civilizations that we build from rising and/or falling perpetually though, etc.

Because some individuals get not enough good and much more bad than they deserve, and still others get a lot more good than they deserve and not enough bad that they most definitely do deserve, etc, it's just the way things are in a or this fallen world, and with a mostly fallen humanity, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yeah I don't see how he can

And by that I mean this meaningless circle of life. What's the point of having us trapped in this hamster wheel

Another person I interacted with recently made a very good point to me recently, etc.

And we were kind of talking about our (humanities) collective reason for being here in this fallen world/reality/state?

I told him that logic tells me that in order for God to be good, then there has to be a very, very good reason, or very important reason for it, etc.

And he made the point that we might not even believe the world in which we are going to unless we had experienced this bad world first, and I thought it was a very good point, etc, that we wouldn't even believe it, because maybe we have to be able to believe it first before we can even go there, or even see it, etc, and maybe that takes this first.

Either way, I think there might be a very important existential reason, as it pertains to the next life, as to why we have to be here, and go through this first, and that was what this one person made me aware of, or pointed out to me.

But I guess we will find out when we get there I guess, etc.

God Bless.

 

[nightmares]

Another person I interacted with recently made a very good point to me recently, etc.

And we were kind of talking about our (humanities) collective reason for being here in this fallen world/reality/state?

I told him that logic tells me that in order for God to be good, then there has to be a very, very good reason, or very important reason for it, etc.

And he made the point that we might not even believe the world in which we are going to unless we had experienced this bad world first, and I thought it was a very good point, etc, that we wouldn't even believe it, because maybe we have to be able to believe it first before we can even go there, or even see it, etc, and maybe that takes this first.

Either way, I think there might be a very important existential reason, as it pertains to the next life, as to why we have to be here, and go through this first, and that was what this one person made me aware of, or pointed out to me.

But I guess we will find out when we get there I guess, etc.

God Bless.

Well the way I see it is that this world is like one of those unbelievable resorts you see in holiday brochures

Then when you arrive it turns out to be a total hellhole

 

[Neogaia777]

Well the way I see it is that this world is like one of those unbelievable resorts you see in holiday brochures

Then when you arrive it turns out to be a total hellhole

The earth, or the/this world?

 

[trophy33]

Yeah I don't see how he can

And by that I mean this meaningless circle of life. What's the point of having us trapped in this hamster wheel

We are not in a hamster wheel and we are not trapped. And its not a circle and its not meaningless.

 

[nightmares]

We are not in a hamster wheel and we are not trapped. And its not a circle and its not meaningless.

Denial of the truth will get you nowhere

 

[nightmares]

The earth, or the/this world?

Same thing, no?

Anyway it's a sick joke where we run around in a decades long struggle for money food and drink and for what

 

[Lost Witness]

Unfortunately many Christians subscribe to the idea that everyone deserves death regardless of what they do and that every single person would have eaten from the tree of knowledge

Adam was created in God's image..
we're created in the image of Adam after the fall..
We inherited that sinful nature.

 

[Neogaia777]

Same thing, no?

Anyway it's a sick joke where we run around in a decades long struggle for money food and drink and for what

We were never meant to have to struggle as hard as we have to right now for them. But I don't know if we can really fully appreciate not having to struggle so hard for them, unless we have at first struggled so hard for them for a little while at first, etc, and who's to say how long that should be or take for each individual one, etc.

Also, there is a much, much better way to handle ourselves (humanity) collectively on this earth. So it must be the way humanity is currently handling, or is running or is managing things right now that you are hating, or must be hating, and that is all due to sin, etc. We were almost a whole heck of a lot better off when we were still tribal, etc.

God Bless.

 

[nightmares]

Adam was created in God's image..
we're created in the image of Adam after the fall..
We inherited that sinful nature.

If my computer is infected with a virus causing it to be sinful, I get rid of the virus

I don't smash my computer to pieces and say you deserved that, you evil sinner

 

[eleos1954]

Hi everyone,

I'm really discouraged and confused.
I've been exchanging about christian issues with a christian pastor and some of the things he said or which he brought up
really confused me.

We were talking about healing and wether God wants to heal and why christians don't get healed and he brought up the example
of the blind man about whom Jesus said that he was born blind so that God would be glorified through his healing.

How do we interpret this? Does this mean that God PURPOSEFULLY made a human being to be born blind ONLY so that later on He (Jesus)
could heal him and glorify God?

I'm sorry, but to me this sounds really perverted.

I can't deal with this. It's simply disturbing. Is this really what Jesus meant? I hope not, but at the same time I worry what if God really is like
that?

What if God is simply "different" and we simply cannot understand His heart? To me this is totally depressing.

Is it possible that God does things which I think are perverted and simply disturbing?


Another example which my friend brought up is Job. I know Job but I haven't really thought about him for a long time. It's not a story which
I enjoy. When he mentioned Job I automatically got all my questions back which I struggled with in the past, when thinking about the book of Job.

I simply can't make sense of it and interpret Job in a way which does not disturb me.

When I imagine that God more or let made a bet with satan about wether Job would stick to his faith or not and what was at stake was Job's relatives
who all lost their lives, then this is totally disturbing to me.

Would God really do this? Would God allow people to get killed ONLY to prove something and win a bet?!


I don't know, all of this is so dragging me down. I just don't know how God really is and I hate being torn between opinions of others and my own
thoughts.

But can you really feel close to God and really trust God when AT THE SAME TIME you struggle with such thoughts and worry that God could do
things which are disturbing to you?

This only scares me and makes me feel alienated from God.

God is love. God don't do bad things to people ... but He will allow things to happen .... because of sin mankind is self destructive ... sometimes God intervenes .... sometimes not .... there is a war going on between satan and God ... planet earth is the battlefield .... there are casualties .... Gods main ultimate concern is the 2nd death .... that death is for eternity.

We trust in the wisdom of God ... whether we understand it or not .... like Job did. With Job God did not directly inflict anything on Job ... He allowed satan to unleash havoc on Job and Job never wavered in His faith .... nor should we .... no matter what is going on.

Complete reliance on God .... regardless of anything that is going on.

 

[trophy33]

Denial of the truth will get you nowhere

I am not stuck, though.

 

[nightmares]

We were never meant to have to struggle as hard as we have to right now for them. But I don't know if we can really fully appreciate not having to struggle so hard for them, unless we have at first struggled so hard for them for a little while at first, etc, and who's to say how long that should be or take for each individual one, etc.

Also, there is a much, much better way to handle ourselves (humanity) collectively on this earth. So it must be the way humanity is currently handling, or is running or is managing things right now that you are hating, or must be hating, and that is all due to sin, etc. We were almost a whole heck of a lot better off when we were still tribal, etc.

God Bless.

It has nothing to do with sin and everything to do with the insane repetitive life

Incidentally we are still tribal. Examples include nations, sports, politics etc

 

[Neogaia777]

It has nothing to do with sin and everything to do with the insane repetitive life

Incidentally we are still tribal. Examples include nations, sports, politics etc

It has everything to do with sin.

For example, the kind of tribal I am talking about is like, well, let's just take as just one example the Native American Indian tribes, most of them anyway.

Food was plentiful, and very easy to get for the whole entire tribe, and they didn't have to work very hard or long, long for it, there was no greed, or extreme insane excessive perverse possessiveness to have so very much more than others that we see now today, and nothing was personally owned by anyone, but was all was collectively owned and was "borrowed" from the tribe, and most of them didn't have to work very hard unless they wanted to, and there was no money or currency among the tribe, children, and the elderly, and widows, and the injured or disabled were all very well taken care of always by all the rest of the tribe, and they weren't ever thought of as a burden by anyone else in the tribe, because they didn't even have any of those kind of thoughts or concepts or ideas, but it was just very well known, or was almost common knowledge from birth, that this is just the way things were, or are, and always have been/should be always, by the entire tribe, etc. So very, very many "sinful" concepts or thoughts or ideas that they didn't have but that we do have now, that I don't know how you cannot think sin is not a factor, or that it isn't because of sin, etc. We have technology that they didn't have, but that's pretty much it, so that's why I say that we were almost a whole heck of a lot better off back then maybe, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

It has everything to do with sin.

For example, the kind of tribal I am talking about is like, well, let's just take as just one example the Native American Indian tribes, most of them anyway.

Food was plentiful, and very easy to get for the whole entire tribe, and they didn't have to work very hard or long, long for it, there was no greed, or extreme insane excessive perverse possessiveness to have so very much more than others that we see now today, and nothing was personally owned by anyone, but was all was collectively owned and was "borrowed" from the tribe, and most of them didn't have to work very hard unless they wanted to, and there was no money or currency among the tribe, children, and the elderly, and widows, and the injured or disabled were all very well taken care of always by all the rest of the tribe, and they weren't ever thought of as a burden by anyone else in the tribe, because they didn't even have any of those kind of thoughts or concepts or ideas, but it was just very well known, or was almost common knowledge from birth, that this is just the way things were, or are, and always have been/should be always, by the entire tribe, etc. So very, very many "sinful" concepts or thoughts or ideas that they didn't have but that we do have now, that I don't know how you cannot think sin is not a factor, or that it isn't because of sin, etc. We have technology that they didn't have, but that's pretty much it, so that's why I say that we were almost a whole heck of a lot better off back then maybe, etc.

God Bless.

No one hoarded anything, or tried to individually extort anything out of or from any of the rest of the other members of the tribe.

White man brought the brilliant idea of capitalism that changed all of that forever now though, but it's actually a mental disease, and a sinful sickness of the mind, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

No one hoarded anything, or tried to individually extort anything out of or from any of the rest of the other members of the tribe.

White man brought the brilliant idea of capitalism that changed all of that forever now though, but it's actually a mental disease, and a sinful sickness of the mind, etc.

God Bless.

Some say this was the true fall, when we went from not having any of the kinds of thoughts or concepts or ideas that I am right now talking about right now, to all of the sudden now having them now, etc.

Beginning of "man dominating man to his own demise or injury", etc.

God Bless.

 

[Aaron112]

If my computer is infected with a virus causing it to be sinful, I get rid of the virus

I don't smash my computer to pieces and say you deserved that, you evil sinner

If the computer purposefully goes along with, supports, and hides the virus, preferring to be infected, you'd sure better destroy it.