Conflict between religion and science

[Cearbhall]

Then perhaps you should just say nothing? Stop listening to your liberal college professors and get an education.

He reveals himself!

Yeah, we're done here. The definition and role of a theory is middle school material, so if we can't agree on that, there's nothing productive that can be stated here. I'm glad I'm getting a quality education.

 

[bhsmte]

Then perhaps you should just say nothing? Stop listening to your liberal college professors and get an education.

How about if they were conservative professors, should he listen to them then?

 

[Cearbhall]

How about if they were conservative professors, should he listen to them then?

I highly doubt that even your average conservative professor would say "Evolution is just a theory," so I doubt he cares about their opinions, either.

 

[bhsmte]

I highly doubt that even your average conservative professor would say "Evolution is just a theory," so I doubt he cares about their opinions, either.

Precisely my point. Conservative or liberal outlooks, can and are kept separate from those willing to acknowledge well evidenced reality.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is it hard to stay on topic. Let us at least attempt to debate one topic at a time without going all over the spectrum. The debate underway to my own understanding is the origin of life, not the law of gravity.

I was using an analogy to help you understand why evolution is both a fact and a theory. Just as gravity is both a fact and a theory.

But of course, your complaint was insincere. In your very next post, you were asking people to go into semiconductor theory, so it is just not truthful that you want to stay on topic. You just want to avoid facing your misunderstanding of science.

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

He reveals himself!

Yeah, we're done here. The definition and role of a theory is middle school material, so if we can't agree on that, there's nothing productive that can be stated here. I'm glad I'm getting a quality education.

Excellent decision.

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

I was using an analogy to help you understand why evolution is both a fact and a theory. Just as gravity is both a fact and a theory.

But of course, your complaint was insincere. In your very next post, you were asking people to go into semiconductor theory, so it is just not truthful that you want to stay on topic. You just want to avoid facing your misunderstanding of science.

Typical. No meat simply attack. Anyone with any sense could readily see that by being an electrical engineer that I certainly knew about semiconductors. I just wanted to see it he did, which I doubt.

I take it you are a scientist then. What is your field of expertise? I am not a scientist nor do I claim to be. I am an electrical design engineer and business owner.

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Precisely my point. Conservative or liberal outlooks, can and are kept separate from those willing to acknowledge well evidenced reality.

But you don't recognize the science of mathematics do you? I showed my figure for a single cell and have asked for any of you to dispute my figure. No one has yet come forward with anything other than trash talk.

 

[Cearbhall]

I take it you are a scientist then. What is your field of expertise? I am not a scientist nor do I claim to be. I am an electrical design engineer and business owner.

You don't have to be a scientist to know this stuff. It's part of the basic curriculum in the US, and for a good reason. It's not good for anyone if future generations keep spewing the idea that evolution didn't happen.

 

[Invictus88]

Right. There is no requirement that I cannot change my beliefs. I can, and I have.

With that said, there are fundamental differences in the approach to science and theology. Those different approaches do not necessitate conflict, but they can and often do.

There is surely as much conflict within science and within theology as between the two (if not considerably, considerably more)?

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

The general approach for those who don’t believe in a Creator, the argument or theory is an equation: Space + Time + Chance = Everything. How can, in what in reality is, 0 + 0 + 0 = everything!? The space did not cause matter to come into existence, nor did time. Neither can chance influence or create events. Can being come from non-being… spontaneous generation of matter from nothing? Can chance actually do anything or cause something to happen? No. Chance is only the likelihood of something occurring. There must first come “cause” before an effect can occur. - Jack Wellman

 

[bhsmte]

But you don't recognize the science of mathematics do you? I showed my figure for a single cell and have asked for any of you to dispute my figure. No one has yet come forward with anything other than trash talk.

You made a statement he shouldnt pay attention to liberal professors, did you not?

So, would it be ok to listen to conservative professors? And, how does one distinguish between a liberal and conservative professor when it comes to science topics?

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Cast your stones and vent your hatred boys. This old engineer is in excellent company:

Louis Pasteur (1822 - 1895), the father of antibiotics was a godly Catholic; Gregor Mendel (1822-!884), the discoverer of genes was a Catholic creationist; Joseph Lister (1827 - 1912), the father of antiseptics was a devout Quaker; Michael Faraday (1791 - 1857), discoverer of electromagnetic induction was a Sandemanian Presbyterian; George Washington Carver (1864 - 1963), a famous black scientist, and one of the greatest botanists and inventors to ever live was a god-worshipping Christian. I have heard that George Washington Carver once asked God to teach him everything he knows. God answered, "I can't do that, but I will teach you everything about the peanut." Wernher von Braun (1912 - 1977), the father of rocket science was a Christian and a Creationist; Max Planck (1858 - 1947), a great physicist, was a Christian who firmly believed that God permeated everything; Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) was a God- believing Jew who also loved the New Testament; Antoine Henri Becquerel (1852 – 1908), the discoverer of radioactivity was a Catholic; and tens of thousands of other contributors to science and technology believed in God. Where would technology be today if it were not for Louis Pasteur, Gregor Mendel, Joseph Lister, George Washington Carver, Werner von Braun, Max Planck, Albert Einstein and thousands of other famous Intelligent Design - believing scientists and their religious beliefs? If these scientists had been taught evolution and atheism in our public schools, what would have happened to their intense belief in an Intelligent Designer that caused them to inquire how things work?

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

You made a statement he shouldnt pay attention to liberal professors, did you not?

So, would it be ok to listen to conservative professors? And, how does one distinguish between a liberal and conservative professor when it comes to science topics?

That's it. If you have no defense of your position or cannot refute the math I submitted for the single cell, then go off in other direction to lay smoke to cover your inabilities.

I'm dealing with a bunch of kids here. Are any of you even 25 years old?

 

[bhsmte]

That's it. If you have no defense of your position or cannot refute the math I submitted for the single cell, then go off in other direction to lay smoke to cover your inabilities.

I'm dealing with a bunch of kids here. Are any of you even 25 years old?

I am addressing your claim of not listening to liberal professors and you seem to want to go off in another direction. Telling.

 

[Cearbhall]

I'm dealing with a bunch of kids here. Are any of you even 25 years old?

Do you have anything to support your understanding of a theory other than your age? I'm not inclined to consider that an advantage, given the state of the US science curriculum 60 years ago. Fortunately, it's improved, and we know better. Your whatever calculations about a cell have no bearing on this foundational information.

 

[Davian]

...
Technically speaking, science can never "prove" anything as a "fact," rather it
can only say with some degree of certainty if whatever is being examined is true or not.
...

Is it a fact that the Earth rotates and orbits the Sun?

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Do you have anything to support your understanding of a theory other than your age? I'm not inclined to consider that an advantage, given the state of the US science curriculum 60 years ago. Fortunately, it's improved, and we know better. Your whatever calculations about a cell have no bearing on this foundational information.

It has everything to do with it. It is the mathematical probability of it ever happening. I know probability mathematics is not a requirement for a degree in motel management.

Still more jabs with no defense. Go ahead, tear my math apart if you can.

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Is it a fact that the Earth rotates and orbits the Sun?

Stay on subject. Your assignment is to refute my math.

 

[Cearbhall]

Still more jabs with no defense. Go ahead, tear my math apart if you can.

You're the one who resorted to talking about age. We had refrained from doing so.

I mean, if we aren't good enough opponents for you, free free to go on a forum of scientists and tell them all about how "Evolution is JUST A THEORY."

It has everything to do with it. It is the mathematical probability of it ever happening.

Obviously you don't, because it happened. I'm sorry that knowledge of probability doesn't make you an expert in every subject. And I think you'll find that scientists have taken plenty of math in their lives.

I know probability mathematics is not a requirement for a degree in motel management.

Motel management...?