Confessing Sin!

[redleghunter]

One is saved but one must also stay pure and repent when one sins.

If a saved person murders someone and does not repent or ask God for forgiveness what do u think happens to their soul when they die?

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Every word of Our Lords prayer is important.

Indeed the account of David and Bathsheba comes to mind.

 

[redleghunter]

And another OP disappears.....

 

[Goatee]

God is mercy and love.

We fall. We get back up, we go straight to God who has open arms of forgiveness. He wants us to turn to him. He wants us to ask for forgiveness (Our Lords Prayer). We are His children.

 

[shaheem white]

I believe being born again is also a part of being a new creature in christ Jesus... not just accepting him as a savior for forgiveness of sins that's only 1/4th of the salvation process if anything (forgiveness of sins)

Repentance= 1. forgiveness/2. change of heart (2 components to repentance)

3. baptism in jesus name

4. Holy Ghost reception



Anyway yes you still confess/deal with sins if you have any becoming a new creature doesn't mean you become perfect you most likely will commit a sin here or there especially the first few months in.

1 John 2:1King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I'll say this, you totally missed the point I was making. I thank you for your response tho. God Bless

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I'll say this, you totally missed the point I was making. I thank you for your response tho. God Bless

Can you elaborate on the point you were making? I thought I addressed the point clearly in the 2nd half of my statement I simply corrected something that was wrong in your OP before addressing the topic itself.

Here let me put it this way


1. I addressed a misconception of new birth

2. I then addressed the focus of your OP which was confessing/seeking forgiveness for sins


I don't see how I missed your OP at all but if I did explain.

 

[Goatee]

Too many people think only 'they' have the answer.

This is the big problem with Protestantism. So many different interpretations / opinions / views / beliefs!

 

[W2L]

Too many people think only 'they' have the answer.

This is the big problem with Protestantism. So many different interpretations / opinions / views / beliefs!

Your church is not perfect, which i think you would agree. So why should we criticise protestant churches for being imperfect? BTW, i have the answer

 

[Goatee]

Nobody is perfect

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What were you trying to say by posting Romans 7:17. Let's start there.

I was illustrating how it is no longer I who sin, but the sin that sins within me. The second part is that we still live in our bodies as new creations. Kind of like a luminous butterfly inside a decaying cuccoon. Until we break free of the body of death, both abide together. So both things are occurring, we are not committing sin, yet our bodies are producing sin that causes the physical shell to malfunction.
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The general debate around these topics is about the intent of the hearts, which is something God can only know.
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and that about sums it up.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I was illustrating how it is no longer I who sin, but the sin that sins within me. The second part is that we still live in our bodies as new creations. Kind of like a luminous butterfly inside a decaying cuccoon. Until we break free of the body of death, both abide together. So both things are occurring, we are not committing sin, yet our bodies are producing sin that causes the physical shell to malfunction.
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The general debate around these topics is about the intent of the hearts, which is something God can only know.
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and that about sums it up.

So are you saying because the body will grow old and frail, that process is sin? What part of us do you believe is a new creation? Our spirit is for sure, but I guess the question I have for you is our carnal minds. Is it created new too?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So are you saying because the body will grow old and frail, that process is sin? What part of us do you believe is a new creation? Our spirit is for sure, but I guess the question I have for you is our carnal minds. Is it created new too?

It's such an odd existence. As we continue to trust God we grow in Him. When we are first born again, if we have a mind of Christ, we certainly don't know how to use it. But as we begin to live walking in faith, this trust is how his love grows within us and the faculties of the new person begin to become usable to us.
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Since we do not know what we are and what we will become, all we can do is trust him to learn as we become more like Jesus.
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So as the saying goes, we are decaying on the outside but we are being renewed on the inside day by day. (2 Corinthians 4:16)

 

[1stcenturylady]

It's such an odd existence. As we continue to trust God we grow in Him. When we are first born again, if we have a mind of Christ, we certainly don't know how to use it. But as we begin to live walking in faith, this trust is how his love grows within us and the faculties of the new person begin to become usable to us.
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Since we do not know what we are and what we will become, all we can do is trust him to learn as we become more like Jesus.
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So as the saying goes, we are decaying on the outside but we are being renewed on the inside day by day. (2 Corinthians 4:16)

I agree. I like this scripture:

2 Peter 1
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Fruitful Growth in the Faith
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[RaymondG]

Not exactly. When you sin, you've stepped out of the light, and out of fellowship with the spirit of 'Christ in you'. Your soul has lined up with your sinful flesh. Your perfect "new creation", born again spirit is "quenched", but still 100% saved and 'one spirit with the LORD'.

1TH 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

Two out of three always determine whose son you are at that moment. If your soul lines up with your born again spirit, you will 'crucify your flesh' and walk in the light of righteousness.

But if your Soul forsakes the leading of the spirit, and then agrees with your flesh you will step out of the light and manifest the works of the unrighteousness/devil.

After our spirit is born again we do not have a spirit problem causing us to sin. We have a soul problem.

Hope that makes sense, if not, keep asking questions.

If this makes sense to you, you should live by it until God shows you otherwise.

 

[shaheem white]

Can you elaborate on the point you were making? I thought I addressed the point clearly in the 2nd half of my statement I simply corrected something that was wrong in your OP before addressing the topic itself.

Here let me put it this way


1. I addressed a misconception of new birth

2. I then addressed the focus of your OP which was confessing/seeking forgiveness for sins


I don't see how I missed your OP at all but if I did explain.

There is nothing wrong in my post. your playing semantics, I'm saying When you accept jesus Christ as your Lord and savior you are a new creation in Christ and you are forgiven! now as a born again Christian when you confess your sins it's not to get forgiveness because you already received forgiveness. You confess your sins a way of acknowledging them before God, you repent and Thank God for the the blood of Jesus when gave you access to that forgiveness. Now if you choose to confess and every day ask God to forgive you "that's fine" but my point is your asking to receive something that was already given to you... That was my point. you started talking about born again, accepting christ etc... You went left field

 

[Emmy]

Dear shaheem white. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus told us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy hearts, with all thy souls, and with all thy minds. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. Love is very catching, and Love covers all wrongs. Let us ask God to help us be God`s loving men and women.
The Bible tells us: give up all selfish and unloving words and deeds, ask God to help us to be His loving and caring boys and girls. Matthew 7: 7-10: tells us to ask and to receive, let us ask God for Love, then thank God and start loving all we know and all we meet. God will see our loving and caring, and God will BLESS us greatly. Jesus died that we might live a loving and caring life, that we love and teat all we know and all we meet as we would love to be treated. Love is very catching, and before we know we are the men and women which God wants. I have said it all before, shaheem, why not try it? Jesus will lead us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY. God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters to live eternity with. I say this with love, and send greetings. From Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Meowzltov]

Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ. I come to you in Love and in the power of the Holy Spirit. There is a issue in the church today that I need to address and i'm asking for your views (backed by scripture of course). After you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you like 2 Cor 5:17 states "Become new" do you still confess your sins to God seeking forgiveness? I know the truth, I just wanna see what others have to say on the topic....

Of course you do. Forgiveness requires repentence, and you cannot repent of sins you have not commmitted yet.

In fact, not only must we confess these new sins to God, but according to James, we must confess them one to another--confession of serious sins to God alone is not enough.

 

[Strong in Him]

you might need to reread what I said.

I read what you said.
You said:

One has to have peace of mind so I must respond as I believe and as scripture teaches me, the problem I see with this view

This tells me that you disagreed with the post of mine that you quoted.
You then asked:

then tell me this, when you were lost is that not how you lived and thought then?

To which I said, "no", and tried to explain my position.

I did agree with what you said next:

When one is saved and they become new creations in Christ if there is no difference in my walk and thoughts and actions, I would not see that I am a new creation. Granted perfect holiness will never be reach I believe in this life except in Christ Jesus, but if there is no growth in a holy walk, I myself would be concerned and ask myself, why haven't I changed?

Then you said:

I am not making a judgment concerning you or your profession, just stating the difference in our views.

I do agree with much of what you wrote, but you clearly saw a problem with my previous post and consider that we have different views.
I am not quite clear what we are supposed to disagree on.

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

I read what you said.
You said:


This tells me that you disagreed with the post of mine that you quoted.
You then asked:



To which I said, "no", and tried to explain my position.

I did agree with what you said next:


Then you said:


I do agree with much of what you wrote, but you clearly saw a problem with my previous post and consider that we have different views.
I am not quite clear what we are supposed to disagree on.

I had to go back and read why I said what I posted and this is the only thing that I disagreed with in your statement and is why I made the remarks that you mention , I can't be perfect for 5 minutes - that is, perfect in thought, word, desire, dreams etc, never mind one day. To be honest I wouldn't want to. Not that I enjoy sinning, but the thought of waking up and saying "I'm perfect, I don't need my Saviour today" is too awful to contemplate. And then I went on to explain why. Otherwise from what I remember I do agree with your other comments. Thanks

 

[Kenny'sID]

I know the truth, I just wanna see what others have to say on the topic...

I don't think you do know the truth, and I would strongly recommend you do before you attempt to teach it.

Jesus taught us how to pray with the lords prayer, the lords prayer includes "forgive us". So, of course we are to ask for forgiveness, that is unless we don't believe what Christ told us..

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[iwbswiaihl2]

Jesus taught us how to pray with the lords prayer, the lords prayer includes "forgive us". So, of course we are to ask for forgiveness, that is unless we don't believe what Christ told us..

And since it appears this is another OSAS thread teaching the absurd theology, we can't lose salvation...anyone who says we are saved by nothing but "saying" we have faith is looking for the easy way out, and chooses his own convenient truth, not that of God/Christ..

It would have added value had you shown where anyone has stated your remark: anyone who says we are saved by nothing but "saying" we have faith is looking for the easy way out, and chooses his own convenient truth, not that of God/Christ. would you please show that, I would like to see that post and see their other comments. Thanks