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One is saved but one must also stay pure and repent when one sins.

If a saved person murders someone and does not repent or ask God for forgiveness what do u think happens to their soul when they die?

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Every word of Our Lords prayer is important.
 
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Dear shaheem white. Although Christians try Not to sin, it is hard in this world not to sin. But we know that God has forgiven our past sins, but daily we are tempted again. Christ died that we might live, and God will notice how hard we try not to sin, but we do it daily, although we do not want to sin. God knows us and God is LOVE. Jesus tells us in Matthew 22: 35-40: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy hearts, with all thy souls, and with all thy minds. The second is like it: love our neighbour as we love ourselves." We have to give up all selfish thoughts and wishes, we have to Love God and love our neighbour; all we know and all we meet. That is not easy in this world. But in Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: Ask and you shall receive, then we ask God for Love and compassion, then thank God and share all love and compassion with all around us. God will see our loving lives and God will Bless us greatly. In this world we are surrounded by sin, day and night. We have asked God for His guidance and help. God will always help and guide us. Every time we sin in thought or word, we ask God to forgive us. God Loves us and God will always be on our side. Satan will flee from all love. I say this with love, shaheem. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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Your not understanding saint! We are perfect "IN CHRIST" accepting him means you now live IN HIM!

I know, and I know that God sees me as I will be one day; perfect. But I am not there yet.
I know, and God knows, that I am not perfect in thought, word and deed 24/7; I know, and God knows, that I am not sinless, or spotless, in my dreams and unconscious desires.
To pretend otherwise would be folly, and dishonest.

your position doesn't change.

It would if I chose to walk away - because I have free will.
But as long as I remain in Christ, no one can separate me from his love, nor snatch me from his hand.

Ybut we trust in the power of the Holy spirit to help us overcome those areas and we thank God For the sacrifice of Jesus and for "BEING" forgiven. God Bless

Of course we do.
We sin, we confess to God, we believe we are forgiven and that God will help us to overcome and do better. We are growing.
The Corinthian church seemed to believe that because Christ had died for them, they could behave as they liked. Paul had to correct that thinking. Christ died for us, so now we live for him. We still fall short - as you said, but when we do, we KNOW that if we confess our sins, God will forgive us.
 
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Huh? Your text is about those still under the law who had not yet accepted Christ. This OP is about the "Christian" walk, not the Jewish walk. The law couldn't make one righteous, only the Holy Spirit that is a gift from Jesus after we repent. It is the Holy Spirit then that makes one dead to sin and no longer in the flesh.
Romans is written by a christian. The above post makes no sense to me.
 
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Adam had had a perfect relationship with his Maker, but then he disobeyed him, and that relationship was broken. It was no longer perfect; sin - rebellion against God - had come into the world. And whatever Adam DID, that relationship would not be restored again. If he had physically died at that point, he would have died separated from God, and that would have been that for him, for all eternity.
Adam and Eve died spiritually that day - and mankind was separated from God from that point on. They were given animal sacrifices, as a way to atone for their sin, and I am sure that God forgave people who offered the correct sacrifices, trusted him and lived by faith in his law.
But animal sacrifices were not perfect; people couldn't keep the law and still sinned. So then Jesus came, as the spotless Lamb of God, to offer his life once and for all.

It is his sacrifice, and only his sacrifice, that atones for us and mends the relationship between us and God. When we accept him, we are saying that nothing WE do will make any difference in getting to heaven or making us right with God. GOD has saved us and, as Abraham said, "provided the Lamb for the sacrifice". Anyone who believes this, confesses their sins, receives Jesus and asks for eternal life is saved - from spiritual death; from the consequences of having a broken relationship with God and dying in our sin, and without him.

So we ARE saved, but we are also BEING saved, or made whole - which we call sanctification.
We are saved, in the sense that if the world were rushing toward a cliff, under which was hell - we have been pulled back from that and are now on a different path.
We are being saved, because although we are on a different path - the narrow way - although we have new natures, and want to serve and worship only God; we are not perfect. We do not have restored and perfect human natures, we just have a restored relationship with God and are in Jesus, who IS perfect. We are still learning in our Christian lives. The devil is still around to try to force us off the path, and sometimes he succeeds. When that happens, we know that we can confess, be forgiven and the relationship between us and God will be restored again. As John says in his letter, "if we do sin, we have One who speaks to the Father in our defence; Jesus Christ, the righteous One." 1 John 2:1. He also says that if we confess our sins, God will forgive us.

Non Christians don't believe this. If they believe in God at all, they may feel that it is their own good deeds that will make up, or "atone" for the bad things they do. They may well feel that they aren't perfect but that they "haven't murdered anyone", so they are not so bad really.
I certainly believed this. Even though I went to church from an early age, I believed for some time that it was MY actions that would get me to heaven; that I was doing God a favour by being in church and that I was able to save myself.
But whatever I believed, and the world believes, the fact is that without Jesus; without accepting his atoning death for sin, were, and are, not saved from spiritual death and do not have a restored relationship with God. Only in Jesus is that possible.



There WILL be a difference in our words and actions.
We are under new management in Christ. HE is our Lord, not sin. It is HE who gives us love, security, peace and puts us right with God - NOT the number of possessions we have, etc.
We will find that we want to love God, serve him, put him first and do his will. We will look at the world as he sees it, and live by his teachings, and not the world's standards.
All I am saying is that being saved from spiritual death and separation from God - the drop off the cliff - is an instant thing. This puts us on the narrow road, which we will be on for as long as we live. And while we ARE still alive, there will be temptations and those who try to get us off the road.

I believe that one of the biggest lies the devil can tell us is, "you disobeyed God just then; God is not pleased with you. But don't feel you need to say 'sorry' to him; he forgave you 2000 years ago." If he can install that attitude in us, it won't be long before we are sinning more and more, and refusing to turn to the One who can forgive us, make us clean and restore our relationship with God again.



Exactly. That's why we need to confess when we mess up or stray from the path.



Yes, and so would I.
If I claimed to have a new heart, and new Lord, and still followed my old beliefs and actions, I, and others, would be justified in asking what difference Jesus made to my life.
But that is sanctification - BEING made holy and changed into Jesus' likeness - and is a lifelong process. Just because you mess up once as a Christian, it does not mean that you were never saved.

So, are you just agreeing with my post, or trying to make a point? You are agreeing with everything I have said! you might need to reread what I said.
 
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So, are you just agreeing with my post, or trying to make a point? You are agreeing with everything I have said! you might need to reread what I said.
I dont understand most of this posters replies either.....a lot of miscommunication.
 
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But I don't know how you would do that if you are not sinning.

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8)
 
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“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8)
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How do you reconcile?
 
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(Romans 6:1-2)
I fear this could continue for a while.
I was just saying that the romans verse I provided was the only "bridge" between the two positions I could think of. You asked how to reconcile, I think that's a good place to start. Is it good to hurt people? no, love is made mature within us so we have boldness on the day of judgment.
 
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I go back to James 5:16. We should all be able to agree that James was born of God--Born again, right? Now if James is Born of God, and he is saying that we should confess our sins, then we have to look and try to understand.

In one way, we could say that John was talking about Jesus, who had no sin, and was born of God. The rest of us have to just muddle through with confessing our sins. Because, believe it or not, all people, even Born again, Spirit filled, tongue talking, Bible believing, nose buried in Scripture all day long Christians still sin, and those sins, according to James, should be confessed.
 
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I go back to James 5:16. We should all be able to agree that James was born of God--Born again, right? Now if James is Born of God, and he is saying that we should confess our sins, then we have to look and try to understand.

In one way, we could say that John was talking about Jesus, who had no sin, and was born of God. The rest of us have to just muddle through with confessing our sins. Because, believe it or not, all people, even Born again, Spirit filled, tongue talking, Bible believing, nose buried in Scripture all day long Christians still sin, and those sins, according to James, should be confessed.
It seems to me that James is preaching to people who are not Born from above.....even telling them to be patient and wait for the coming of the lord, contrasting the patience of him and the disciples to the patience they should have as well:

9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I guess we can assume that he would be saying that he and His disciple do this after being Born from Above...but I dont see it clearly stated.

We can also replace "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" With "Only Jesus is capable of not committing sin" But Im afraid this might be changing the word to match what I believe.

Either why, I find nothing wrong with your interpretation.
 
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1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How do you reconcile?
I know you didn't address me Raymond, but I reconcile these by applying the truth of 1 Joh 1:8 to the progressive sanctification/salvation of the soul. And 1 Joh 3:9 to the finished salvation of my born again spirit.

1JO 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

This speaks of a "walk in the light" which can only take place AFTER I 'come to the light' of initial salvation. Then I can begin my 'walk in the light of "FELLOWSHIP" WITH GOD. Something which can only happen AFTER I experience the initial salvation of my spirit, which establishes my RELATIONSHIP TO GOD . And I don't confess to be FORGIVEN of all sin. I confess to be 'cleansed from all sin'.

And I apply 1 Joh 3:9 to the "seed"/spirit salvation. A salvation which is achieved by my spirit being born again with regeneration. A regeneration which made my 'my spirit one with the Lord'...eg. 'me IN Christ'.

1JO 3:9 Whosoever ('Whatsovever' Greek) is born of God doth not commit sin; for his (God's) seed (spirit) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he (man's spirit) is born of God.

2CO 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, (he is) a new creature: old things/archaios (are) passed away;

Strong's 0744 archaios: original or primeval

Therefore if any man be in Christ, A NEW CREATURE: ORIGINAL passed away.

You being "IN CHRIST" is established with the salvation of your spirit. "Christ IN you", is BEING SAVED progressively in your soul as you 'put on the mind of Christ' replacing your old carnal mind/soul. The more you replace/save, the more Christ is BEING FORMED in you.

GAL 4:19 My children (immature), with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you -...(maturity).
 
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Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ. I come to you in Love and in the power of the Holy Spirit. There is a issue in the church today that I need to address and i'm asking for your views (backed by scripture of course). After you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you like 2 Cor 5:17 states "Become new" do you still confess your sins to God seeking forgiveness? I know the truth, I just wanna see what others have to say on the topic....
I believe being born again is also a part of being a new creature in christ Jesus... not just accepting him as a savior for forgiveness of sins that's only 1/4th of the salvation process if anything (forgiveness of sins)

Repentance= 1. forgiveness/2. change of heart (2 components to repentance)

3. baptism in jesus name

4. Holy Ghost reception



Anyway yes you still confess/deal with sins if you have any becoming a new creature doesn't mean you become perfect you most likely will commit a sin here or there especially the first few months in.

1 John 2:1King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
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I know you didn't address me Raymond, but I reconcile these by applying the truth of 1 Joh 1:8 to the progressive sanctification/salvation of the soul. And 1 Joh 3:9 to the finished salvation of my born again spirit.

1JO 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

This speaks of a "walk in the light" which can only take place AFTER I 'come to the light' of initial salvation. Then I can begin my 'walk in the light of "FELLOWSHIP" WITH GOD. Something which can only happen AFTER I experience the initial salvation of my spirit, which establishes my RELATIONSHIP TO GOD . And I don't confess to be FORGIVEN of all sin. I confess to be 'cleansed from all sin'.

And I apply 1 Joh 3:9 to the "seed"/spirit salvation. A salvation which is achieved by my spirit being born again with regeneration. A regeneration which made my 'my spirit one with the Lord'...eg. 'me IN Christ'.

1JO 3:9 Whosoever ('Whatsovever' Greek) is born of God doth not commit sin; for his (God's) seed (spirit) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he (man's spirit) is born of God.

2CO 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, (he is) a new creature: old things/archaios (are) passed away;

Strong's 0744 archaios: original or primeval

Therefore if any man be in Christ, A NEW CREATURE: ORIGINAL passed away.

You being "IN CHRIST" is established with the salvation of your spirit. "Christ IN you", is BEING SAVED progressively in your soul as you 'put on the mind of Christ' replacing your old carnal mind/soul. The more you replace/save, the more Christ is BEING FORMED in you.

GAL 4:19 My children (immature), with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you -...(maturity).
Are you saying that it is possible to be in the light, and have the mind of Christ and be born from above, and still sin?
 
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Are you saying that it is possible to be in the light, and have the mind of Christ and be born from above, and still sin?
Not exactly. When you sin, you've stepped out of the light, and out of fellowship with the spirit of 'Christ in you'. Your soul has lined up with your sinful flesh. Your perfect "new creation", born again spirit is "quenched", but still 100% saved and 'one spirit with the LORD'.

1TH 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.


Two out of three always determine whose son you are at that moment. If your soul lines up with your born again spirit, you will 'crucify your flesh' and walk in the light of righteousness.

But if your Soul forsakes the leading of the spirit, and then agrees with your flesh you will step out of the light and manifest the works of the unrighteousness/devil.

After our spirit is born again we do not have a spirit problem causing us to sin. We have a soul problem.

Hope that makes sense, if not, keep asking questions.
 
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