Col.2{16} uhhh...cording to scripture

[bugkiller]

Romans 7:12(NKJV)
12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Now whats yer point?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If this verse were referring to the weekly Sabbath, it was also be wrong to observe Sunday!

Whatever the context of Ezekiel, Paul was using this phrase in his own context, and clarified his statement with "shadows of things to come", which cannot refer to the week Sabbath which is a memorial of Creation, sanctified before sin even came into the world.

The word "meat", is an old English word for food, so does not specifically refer to clean or unclean foods, but is more likely some sort of Gnostic practice of asceticism, by abstaining from food. I've gone into more details into the the Colossian heresy in my book, "exploring the heavenly sanctuary", this part of the book can be read here: http://http://www.exploringtheheavenlysanctuary.co.uk/ if you scroll down to nearly the end of the page to the subjection, "The Colossian heresy".

Marc Rasell

The passage does no address the right or wrongness of observing a day. Christians are being assulted here because they do not observe a day and accept the law as the rule of faith.

bugkiller

 

[Yab Yum]

the law stands for the unsaved, always, but why does it say abolished in 2;15? Why?

The answer is in the very same verse.

 

[Frogster]

Today, that could mean a Catholic and Protestant

i suppose it can At least they believe in Christ, and any beleiver is in the new man.

 

[Frogster]

Romans 7:12(NKJV)
12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

gee thanks..we know the holy law came to show sin...wow..thanks, i did not know that..gee..


ok, now did u come to a deeper understanding about gal 4:9, and the elementals and what it means in Col 2:8, and how Col 2:20 proves that law was also an issue in the Colossian epistle?

the same word is used in Hebrews 5:12, it means the basics, in a row, abc's however it can also mean earth, wind, water, the earthly elementals, or spirit beings, however the context is what has to be understood, to know what the definition of certain words mean, in the text.

Thanks, frog.

 

[Frogster]

The answer is in the very same verse.

please elaborate.

 

[Frogster]

Now whats yer point?

bugkiller

i wondered the same thing, as we often see that verse yanked out of the flow of the text, to somehow promote law life, even though as u know, it was that very law, arousing sin, in all it's glorious contextual flow, yet, the verse gets pasted as a bulwark for the law side of the isle, as if to say, we are all surley wrong.

 

[WailingWall]

The 3 days and 3 nights are not a reference to 72 hours according to the way they spoke of time back then. Even when we say a day it is rare that a 24 hour period is meant.

bugkiller

It was Jesus who mention the 3 days and 3 nights

JOHN 11 [9] Jesus answered, ARE THERE NOT TWELVE HOURS IN THE DAY? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.[10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

And it was Jesus who said " ARE THERE NOT TWELVE HOURS IN THE DAY"?

So when Jesus tells me about the 3 days and 3 nights....i believe Him

 

[WailingWall]

and if one is snipped, one must????????:

3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

good to see ya wall....

Hi ya doin Frogman

Well i dont accept circumcision

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

 

[WailingWall]

Nice twisting of Scripture.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

bugkiller

According to the scriptures Jesus did not do away with the law but made the law greater. He magnified the law to a spiritual level. He made the 10 commandments even harder to keep.

2 COR. 3 [6] WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

ROMANS 7 [6] But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.

As we can see in above scriptures we are now to walk in the spirit of the law. If we walk only in the letter of the law this will lead to death, but if we walk in the spirit of the law this leads to life.

MATTHEW 5 [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. [21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, THOU SHALT NOT KILL; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not kill
NEW SPIRIT- Don’t even get angry. Call no man a fool. Love one another in thought, word and deed.

MATTHEW 5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But i say unto you, that WHOSOEVER LOOKETH ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HATH COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart.

OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not commit adultery
NEW SPIRIT- Do not look on a woman to lust. Keep the law in our mind and spirit. Even in our eyes.

So you can see that Jesus did not do away with the letter of the law. Common sense will tell ya in order to walk in the spirit of the law you must also be walking in the letter. Jesus made the commandments even harder to keep and more honorable.

ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW, and make it honourable.

Yes, Jesus magnified the law. He took the letter of the law (which leads to death) and magnified the law to a spiritual level (which leads to life).

 

[JohnRabbit]

There is no place in Scripture showing ceremonial only was added. Indeed sacrifice was in place long before the law was issued.

bugkiller

so was circumcision, what's your point?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Now whats yer point?

bugkiller

my point has alway been, why would God want to take us away from what paul describes as "holy, just, and good (rom 7:12)?


did paul not say that he served the law of God (rom 7:25)?

 

[JohnRabbit]

gee thanks..we know the holy law came to show sin...wow..thanks, i did not know that..gee..


ok, now did u come to a deeper understanding about gal 4:9, and the elementals and what it means in Col 2:8, and how Col 2:20 proves that law was also an issue in the Colossian epistle?

the same word is used in Hebrews 5:12, it means the basics, in a row, abc's however it can also mean earth, wind, water, the earthly elementals, or spirit beings, however the context is what has to be understood, to know what the definition of certain words mean, in the text.

Thanks, frog.

maybe you can explain all that to me?

 

[JohnRabbit]

The 3 days and 3 nights are not a reference to 72 hours according to the way they spoke of time back then. Even when we say a day it is rare that a 24 hour period is meant.

bugkiller

who care's what they or we say?


why can't we just go on what the Christ said:


John 11:9-10(NKJV)
9Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
10But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”


Jesus mentions a twelve hour day period and then He mentioned the night.


from there it seems to be simple mathematics, right?

bottom line, it's what He says. He's the Word of God (jn 1:1)!

and when He mention days, i think He knows what He's talking about (matt 12:40)!

 

[JohnRabbit]

There is no place in Scripture showing ceremonial only was added. Indeed sacrifice was in place long before the law was issued.

bugkiller

what of the law is forever (spiritual even, rom 7:14), according to the psalmist (ps 111:7-8)?

and then tell me what were the fleshly commandments (heb 7:16, 9:10)?!


and per gal 3:19, please tell me what was transgressed?!



(thanking you in advance for not answering)

 

[Epiphoskei]

The law is forever in that he who is forever completed all ceremonial righteousness of the law and now mediates a new covenant for us before God.

 

[bugkiller]

my point has alway been, why would God want to take us away from what paul describes as "holy, just, and good (rom 7:12)?


did paul not say that he served the law of God (rom 7:25)?

No that is not your point. Your point is the Christians is obligated to the law issued at Sinai - well the part you want to observe anyway. That is a false gospel.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

who care's what they or we say?


why can't we just go on what the Christ said:


John 11:9-10(NKJV)
9Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
10But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”


Jesus mentions a twelve hour day period and then He mentioned the night.


from there it seems to be simple mathematics, right?

bottom line, it's what He says. He's the Word of God (jn 1:1)!

and when He mention days, i think He knows what He's talking about (matt 12:40)!

Er well I am told I can not laugh. Sorry

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

what of the law is forever (spiritual even, rom 7:14), according to the psalmist (ps 111:7-8)?

and then tell me what were the fleshly commandments (heb 7:16, 9:10)?!


and per gal 3:19, please tell me what was transgressed?!



(thanking you in advance for not answering)

Which one of the commandments does not apply to the flesh?

It was not the law.

bugkiller

 

[WailingWall]

Getting back to the original reason for this thread, which was to figure out what Col.2{16} was talking about i would like to point out what ive found concerning this {found in posts 43-46} and ask if anyone can find that what ive found aint what im lookin for.