Col.2{16} uhhh...cording to scripture

[WailingWall]

that's why paul said:

Galatians 2:16(NKJV)
16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Why do all seem to point to the book of Galatians as having anything to do with Gods 10 commandments? The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned. Not once. Yet, those people that wish to do away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so. The law of circumcism is one of the carnal ordinances of the law that were nailed to the cross. Those that wish to do away with Gods 10 commandments will also try and tell you that the ordinances and the ten commandments are simply parts of the law and are not separate from one another. In saying that they will point to a scripture thats speaking of circumcision and then apply that scripture to Gods 10 commandments. This is done to extreme in the book of Galatians. The scripture below separates the law, the commandments and the ordinances

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] AND the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

AND means AND

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Um, except Paul must have know that circumcision was a commandment from God (Lev. 12:3.) And anyone who sets aside the commandment of God is a false prophet (Deut. 18.)

 

[JohnRabbit]

Um, except Paul must have know that circumcision was a commandment from God (Lev. 12:3.)

but it wasn't one that was written by Him!

 

[WailingWall]

So what does it have to do with Christianity? Israel is not the Chruch and the Church is not Israel.

bugkiller

Because Jesus fulfilled these offerings that were written in the law of commandments contained in the ordinances. Its the meat and drink offerings that are no more to be observed.

JOHN 6 [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Jesus also said this:

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to lose authority.

 

[bugkiller]

Why do all seem to point to the book of Galatians as having anything to do with Gods 10 commandments? The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned. Not once. Yet, those people that wish to do away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so. The law of circumcism is one of the carnal ordinances of the law that were nailed to the cross. Those that wish to do away with Gods 10 commandments will also try and tell you that the ordinances and the ten commandments are simply parts of the law and are not separate from one another. In saying that they will point to a scripture thats speaking of circumcision and then apply that scripture to Gods 10 commandments. This is done to extreme in the book of Galatians. The scripture below separates the law, the commandments and the ordinances

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] AND the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

AND means AND

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

So throw away the book of Galatians. Solved your problem. The 10 Cs are the law as Paul indicates in Rom 7. James calls the 10 Cs the law in James 2. Surely these two natural born Isrealites knew what they were talking about.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Um, except Paul must have know that circumcision was a commandment from God (Lev. 12:3.) And anyone who sets aside the commandment of God is a false prophet (Deut. 18.)

So what about those who throw out parts of the NT because they do not wish to believe them? Are they Christians? Are the authors Christians?

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

Would you kindly give us some examples of what you are talking about? How about parsing your passage?

bugkiller

i thought it should be clear based on the context of the scripture.

elements of the world are not elements of the law, it's what the scripture says!

 

[bugkiller]

Because Jesus fulfilled these offerings that were written in the law of commandments contained in the ordinances. Its the meat and drink offerings that are no more to be observed.

JOHN 6 [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

The law is a single undivisible unit according to James. The law stands or fall only as a single unit. If one violates on part of the law they violate all the law.

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

The 10 Cs are the law as Paul indicates in Rom 7. James calls the 10 Cs the law in James 2. Surely these two natural born Isrealites knew what they were talking about.

bugkiller

you're just stating facts here.

is there a point to this rhetoric?

 

[bugkiller]

i thought it should be clear based on the context of the scripture.

elements of the world are not elements of the law, it's what the scripture says!

That is not answering the question as requested. I asked for specific examples. I think you do not have anything in mind or even what is being referred to.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

you're just stating facts here.

is there a point to this rhetoric?

Read the quoted post within that post.

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

The law is a single undivisible unit according to James. The law stands or fall only as a single unit. If one violates on part of the law they violate all the law.

bugkiller

so there's no difference in the spirtual law, a law that takes no physical labor to accomplish, or, the fleshly commandments (also law), that does take physical labor to accomplish?

 

[bugkiller]

so there's no difference in the spirtual law, a law that takes no physical labor to accomplish, or, the fleshly commandments (also law), that does take physical labor to accomplish?

No comprendo.

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

That is not answering the question as requested. I asked for specific examples. I think you do not have anything in mind or even what is being referred to.

bugkiller

Matthew 13:22(NKJV)
22Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.


1 John 2:15-17(NKJV)
15Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.
17And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.


the basic elements of the world = this lust-filled religious-politico-competitive system in which we live.

 

[JohnRabbit]

No comprendo.

bugkiller

what don't you understand?

 

[Clare73]

i don't get it!

Read it again.

Your questions are answered there.

trivial elements = elemental forms of religion, whether those of the Jews (v.5, under the law)
or those of the Gentiles (v.8, under their former religious bondage)

of the world = these forms of religion do not come from the "new creation" (6:15), but the former creation

So which group is returning to their former trivial elements?

That is answered in v. 21: "Tell me, you who want to be under the law. . ."

Paul then gives an analogy of the law to Hagar, the slave, and concludes with: "Get rid of the slave woman (the law)
and her son (salvation by law-keeping), for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance
with the free woman's son (salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ).

Paul is treating of the law here, which is likewise treated of in Heb 7:18-19:

"The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect/righteous),
and a better hope (new covenant) is introduced, by which we draw near to God." (Heb 7:18-19)

No, Heb 7:18-19 is referencing v.12, not v.16.

"For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law." (v.12)

The subject of Heb 7:18-19 is pretty clear:
"The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect/righteous)
and a better hope (new covenant of grace) is introduced"

So from Gal 4:21, we see that Paul is referring to the trivial elements of the Jews in Gal 4:9, which was the law,

[v.10, you are observing special days (Firstfruits, Trumpets, Atonement),
months (new moons), seasons (harvest feasts: Firstfruits, Weeks, Tabernacles), years (Sabbath years)]
and we see that the association of Gal 4:9 with Heb 7:18-19 is Biblically well founded.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Steve Petersen]

but it wasn't one that was written by Him!

So speaking the commandment doesn't count?

 

[WailingWall]

So throw away the book of Galatians. Solved your problem. The 10 Cs are the law as Paul indicates in Rom 7. James calls the 10 Cs the law in James 2. Surely these two natural born Isrealites knew what they were talking about.

bugkiller

Why would you throw out Galatians? Everybodys always yelling...context context. Read it in context! Takes only a few moments to read the whole book of Galatians. Circumscision is mentioned 16 times. What LAW do you suppose they are talking about. Yeah thats right. The law of circumscision.

 

[JohnRabbit]

So speaking the commandment doesn't count?

of course it counts, it became law!

again, it was one of the laws that was not written by God!