Co-Redeemer?

[IamAdopted]

No, Jesus did everything according to the law and custom. What He criticized was the Pharisitic attitude they had. They were doing things wrong, He did it right. It wasn't that He went against everything..

He did? Is this why He went and cleaned the temple was to keep up with the custom of the buying and selling?

 

[repentant]

He would give His mother in care of one of His true brothers and sisters which was not the case at this time for they did not believe in Him as the Messiah.. This is what Jesus said when They said that His mother and brothers were outside waiting to talk to Him.. He said who are my mother and my brothers? For He was not of this world but of the Heavenly kingdom and those whom do the will of the Father are His true brothers and sisters.. Which we can see they did come to knowledge and belief in Him at a later date for we have the book of James and Jude.

So are you saying His mother did not believe He was the Messiah?

 

[Asinner]

He would give His mother in care of one of His true brothers and sisters which was not the case at this time for they did not believe in Him as the Messiah.. This is what Jesus said when They said that His mother and brothers were outside waiting to talk to Him.. He said who are my mother and my brothers? For He was not of this world but of the Heavenly kingdom and those whom do the will of the Father are His true brothers and sisters.. Which we can see they did come to knowledge and belief in Him at a later date for we have the book of James and Jude.

What is your point? Was James not a Christian, just like John? Both did the will of Christ, one (in your opinion) was His Christian brother and His biological brother; the other, His Christian brother only. Why would He leave His mother in the care of His Christian brother, when James (in your opinion) fulfilled both requirements of "brother"?

Love,
Christina

 

[repentant]

He did? Is this why He went and cleaned the temple was to keep up with the custom of the buying and selling?

That has nothing to do with it. Selling in the Temple was not a Jewish custom.

 

[repentant]

Fact is, no where in Scripture does it say anything about Mary haveing any children besides Jesus. Nope, not in there. This belief is not sola scriptura.

 

[IamAdopted]

So are you saying His mother did not believe He was the Messiah?

They thought Him mad at one point in scripture..

 

[repentant]

They thought Him mad at one point in scripture..

Who's they? His mother? You are kidding right?

 

[IamAdopted]

What is your point? Was James not a Christian, just like John? Both did the will of Christ, one (in your opinion) was His Christian brother and His biological brother; the other, His Christian brother only. Why would He leave His mother in the care of His Christian brother, when James (in your opinion) fulfilled both requirements of "brother"?

Love,
Christina

James came in after the death of Christ. He didn't believe in His brother at first.. Jesus gave Mary to His most beloved Disciple to care for.. John is the one whom outlived all the other Apostles and disciples. John is the one whom Christ revealed what was to happen at the end..

 

[IamAdopted]

Fact is, no where in Scripture does it say anything about Mary haveing any children besides Jesus. Nope, not in there. This belief is not sola scriptura.

Yes it is all over in scripture. It is even prophesied about in Psalms.. His brothers and sisters are talked about in the NT. It is when someone is trying to hold up a belief that scripture doesn't back that they need to change the words to fit the belief..

 

[Asinner]

James came in after the death of Christ. He didn't believe in His brother at first.. Jesus gave Mary to His most beloved Disciple to care for.. John is the one whom outlived all the other Apostles and disciples. John is the one whom Christ revealed what was to happen at the end..

This is simply untrue and based solely on your passionate interpretation, IAA. True knowledge does not come from study, but from struggle (deny self, pick up cross, follow Him), much prayer, fasting, praxis, Virtue. You should pick up a book on the lives of the Christian men and women who lived over the past 2000 years, suffered for the Faith, and even went to their death for Christ. Their lives are an example to all of us. Not one of them believes in this particular interpretation of yours concerning Christ's brothers. Not one.

Love,
Christina

 

[repentant]

Yes it is all over in scripture. It is even prophesied about in Psalms.. His brothers and sisters are talked about in the NT. It is when someone is trying to hold up a belief that scripture doesn't back that they need to change the words to fit the belief..

Please show me one reference where it refer's to another child of Mary...

I have 2 brother's and 2 sister's, yet they are not my mother's children..go figure...

 

[Mobiosity]

Yes it is all over in scripture. It is even prophesied about in Psalms.. His brothers and sisters are talked about in the NT. It is when someone is trying to hold up a belief that scripture doesn't back that they need to change the words to fit the belief..

You're good. Very well said. Let the truth reign!

 

[Mobiosity]

This is simply untrue and based solely on your passionate interpretation, IAA. True knowledge does not come from study, but from struggle (deny self, pick up cross, follow Him), much prayer, fasting, praxis, Virtue. You should pick up a book on the lives of the Christian men and women who lived over the past 2000 years, suffered for the Faith, and even went to their death for Christ. Their lives are an example to all of us. Not one of them believes in this particular interpretation of yours concerning Christ's brothers. Not one.

Love,
Christina

Their mistaken belief doesn't make their sacrifice any less.

 

[repentant]

And she get's praises for adding words to Scripture...very nice..

 

[IamAdopted]

Originally Posted by Asinner
This is simply untrue and based solely on your passionate interpretation, IAA. True knowledge does not come from study, but from struggle (deny self, pick up cross, follow Him), much prayer, fasting, praxis, Virtue. You should pick up a book on the lives of the Christian men and women who lived over the past 2000 years, suffered for the Faith, and even went to their death for Christ. Their lives are an example to all of us. Not one of them believes in this particular interpretation of yours concerning Christ's brothers. Not one.

Love,
Christina

Prayer is simply talking to my Father.. Christ in me gives me the power to become the son or daughter in my case of God. For what I could not do on my own Christ power and presence in my life and a new birth gives me the grace to obey what God would ask of me. The more I submit to God the more the enemy flee's from me.. Yes there have been many killed for the Gospel..What does this have to do with what we are discussing?

 

[Asinner]

Their mistaken belief doesn't make their sacrifice any less.

They sacrificed for a mistaken belief and yet, that's ok? It is sad that many today who claim to be Christian, no nothing of their brothers and sisters who came before them.

In Love,
Christina

 

[Mobiosity]

They sacrificed for a mistaken belief and yet, that's ok? It is sad that many today who claim to be Christian, no nothing of their brothers and sisters who came before them.

In Love,
Christina

I doubt they went to their deaths because of Jesus' siblings. And I certainly hope you don't believe that either.

 

[Asinner]

Yes there have been many killed for the Gospel..What does this have to do with what we are discussing?

They didn't believe as you do.

 

[IamAdopted]

Look at John 2:12,Matthew 12:46,Mark 3:31,Luke 8:19, Matthew 13:55-56, Mark 6:3-4, John 7:2-10, Acts 1:14 Galatians 1:19, 1 Corinthians 1:9 and Psalms 69:8. Now this one in Psalms talks about His mothers sons..

 

[Asinner]

I doubt they went to their deaths because of Jesus' siblings. And I certainly hope you don't believe that either.

"Therefore, may God forbid that anyone should attempt to defraud Holy Mary of her privilege of divine grace and her special glory. For by a unique favor of our Lord and God she is confessed to be the most true and most blessed Mother of God."- St. Vincent of Lerins 434 AD