Co-Redeemer?

[IamAdopted]

I know of a few the went before me that went because they believed in the scripture and not the traditions of men. But that is a whole different thread..

 

[IamAdopted]

Holy Mother? Why is she called Holy when it is written in Scripture that Jesus alone is Holy?

 

[Asinner]

Holy Mother? Why is she called Holy when it is written in Scripture that Jesus alone is Holy?

When a person is transformed into the image and likeness of God . . . When it is Christ who truly reigns in them and not their sinful selves, then they are Holy. John the Baptist was Holy, as was Stephen, the Apostles, and many, many others who Christ perfected.

 

[IamAdopted]

When a person is transformed into the image and likeness of God . . . When it is Christ who truly reigns in them and not their sinful selves, then they are Holy. John the Baptist was Holy, as was Stephen, the Apostles, and many, many others who Christ perfected.

All men still have sin in them.. For we are told in scripture that if we say we have not sin we lie and the truth is not in us.. There is only one that is Good and that is God. There is only one that is Holy and that is God.

 

[Asinner]

All men still have sin in them.. For we are told in scripture that if we say we have not sin we lie and the truth is not in us.. There is only one that is Good and that is God. There is only one that is Holy and that is God.

Christ told you to be perfect, IAA. Perfection in Christ is Holiness.

 

[Asinner]

Good night everyone!

 

[repentant]

Look at John 2:12,Matthew 12:46,Mark 3:31,Luke 8:19, Matthew 13:55-56, Mark 6:3-4, John 7:2-10, Acts 1:14 Galatians 1:19, 1 Corinthians 1:9 and Psalms 69:8. Now this one in Psalms talks about His mothers sons..

John 2:12
After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.

Only says HIS brethren, does not say Mary's children. They were Josephs children from a previous marriage.


Matthew 12:46
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

Same as above.


Mark 3:31
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

Same thing.



Luke 8:19
Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.

And again..I'm sensing a pattern here..


Matthew 13:55-56
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Over and over..


Mark 6:3-4
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.


Yup.


John 7:2-10
Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand. His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. For neither did his brethren believe in him. Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

Jesus' brethren once again.



Acts 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren

Same thing.


Galatians 1:19
But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Again, no mention of Mary having other children. Only that one of the two Apostles names James (son of Zebedee, or son of Clopus) is called the Lord's brother. But a nice reference to brother not meaning blood...



1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Have no clue why you put this one up..


Psalms 69:8
I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Verse 5 of the same Psalm..


O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

Obviously not talking about Jesus, nor is this Prophecy of Him, unless you are saying He is a sinner..?



Nice try, but I asked for a reference to MARY having other children, not people being called Jesus' brethren..nor did I aks for something like the Psalm, which has nothing to do with her or Him...

 

[repentant]

Holy Mother? Why is she called Holy when it is written in Scripture that Jesus alone is Holy?

People, places and things are called Holy in Scripture, or did you miss this?

 

[IamAdopted]

John 2:12
After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.

Only says HIS brethren, does not say Mary's children. They were Josephs children from a previous marriage.


Matthew 12:46
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

Same as above.


Mark 3:31
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

Same thing.



Luke 8:19
Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.

And again..I'm sensing a pattern here..


Matthew 13:55-56
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Over and over..


Mark 6:3-4
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.


Yup.


John 7:2-10
Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand. His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. For neither did his brethren believe in him. Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

Jesus' brethren once again.



Acts 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren

Same thing.


Galatians 1:19
But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Again, no mention of Mary having other children. Only that one of the two Apostles names James (son of Zebedee, or son of Clopus) is called the Lord's brother. But a nice reference to brother not meaning blood...



1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Have no clue why you put this one up..


Psalms 69:8
I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Verse 5 of the same Psalm..


O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

Obviously not talking about Jesus, nor is this Prophecy of Him, unless you are saying He is a sinner..?



Nice try, but I asked for a reference to MARY having other children, not people being called Jesus' brethren..nor did I aks for something like the Psalm, which has nothing to do with her or Him...

Thats because we as protestants don't need to change the wording or explain them away to keep a belief that is not in scripture. So when we see that Jesus had brothers we do not need to question for we take God at His word..If the bible says that Jesus had brothers and sisters we really don't have a reason to say no these were cousins.. For we don't believe that Mary was PV for there really was no reason for her to Be because all we need is contained in Christ alone..

 

[IamAdopted]

In Psalms David prophesied about Christ while also crying out to God for his own distress.. Many of Davids Psalms do this.. Even written in the NT is scripture referred to as the Psalms..

 

[Carrye]

Thats because we as protestants don't need to change the wording or explain them away to keep a belief that is not in scripture.

Who says that all of revelation is contained in scripture? From where did scripture come?

So when we see that Jesus had brothers we do not need to question for we take God at His word..If the bible says that Jesus had brothers and sisters we really don't have a reason to say no these were cousins..

Well, but you do. To understand one meaning of scripture is to understand the intention of the sacred author's language.

It also makes little sense for the Lord to entrust his mother to John if he had natural brothers.

For we don't believe that Mary was PV for there really was no reason for her to Be because all we need is contained in Christ alone..

But why reduce salvation to a least common denominator? Christ did not, does not, exist in a vaccuum. He came into being by the power of the Holy Spirit with the cooperation of his mother Mary. It was from her that he received his humanity. It was because of this that he was able to redeem humanity - what he took on he redeemed.

Do you know God to be a user? It is inconsistent with his nature to have a woman bear his Son and then dispose of her, having no more use for her. He sees her as holy, most blessed among women. Why does he see her as such? Because he made her that way, and she cooperated with him.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Prayer is simply talking to my Father.. Christ in me gives me the power to become the son or daughter in my case of God. For what I could not do on my own Christ power and presence in my life and a new birth gives me the grace to obey what God would ask of me. The more I submit to God the more the enemy flee's from me.. Yes there have been many killed for the Gospel..What does this have to do with what we are discussing?

How did you come to have Christ??

Did He, the Father whom you pray to, not request Our Lady to give birth to the Son??

How would you have the Father, and the Son, or the Holy Spirit if you do not have Mary??:o

 

[Rick Otto]

i thought Gabriel TOLD her what was about to happen to her. Am I wrong? (Heaven Forbid!:o )

Well, maybe if Mary had balked, "Edith" or "Gladys" could've been available.
Virginity wasn't as rare back then as now.

 

[sunlover1]

i thought Gabriel TOLD her what was about to happen to her. Am I wrong? (Heaven Forbid!:o )

Well, maybe if Mary had balked, "Edith" or "Gladys" could've been available.
Virginity wasn't as rare back then as now.

Luke 1:30-35
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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[IamAdopted]

How did you come to have Christ??

Did He, the Father whom you pray to, not request Our Lady to give birth to the Son??

How would you have the Father, and the Son, or the Holy Spirit if you do not have Mary??:o

I do not have Mary.. I have Christ in me the Hope of all Glory for He alone is worthy of all our praise. Mary being a human as I and you and anyone else that was born of the seed of man are in need of a savior.. Thus this is why Christ came. I didn't even know Mary nor can I know her for so little is talked of her in Scripture.. I can know Christ and my Father for It is His spirit that dwells in me and His word that I read.. I can see Pauls personality and I can see Peters and also Johns for they are written about and preach what Christ would have them to preach and pen. But so little is spoken of Mary that all I know of her is that she was a handmaiden of the Lord. I know she gave birth to My Lord.. I know that she had other children and that she was married to Joseph.. This is about all scripture talks of Mary..

 

[Benedicta00]

If James was Mary's son, then Christ would not have put her in the care of John while hanging on the tree.

Love,
Christina

Didn't you hear...? She was put in his care because her other kids were unsaved at the time of Jesus' death... so he gave her to John because he wanted Mary in the hands of a believer.

but obviously James Jesus' "brother" got saved..lol.

But then again, one poster has all but said we should blow him off... so,

 

[Benedicta00]

Hi Bene,
I don't think a 'saved' person will be on
auto pilot doing good works.
As usual, I didn't explain well.
I was talking about a transformed person
desiring to walk in the light, rather
than in the darkness.

Good works are those things that God
preordained for us...

Ephesians 2:9-10
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained
that we should walk in them.

These are the good works we will do, the
ones that God has for each of us.
They don't save us, they follow us.

We're created in His image.
Once we've been reborn, we
become totally different creatures.
Old things pass away, behold
ALL things become new.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18
7 Now the Lord is that Spirit:
and where the Spirit of the Lord is,
there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face
beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

love,
sunlover

I agree with you but how is that you think that works follow faith and they are not part of our perseverance?

What if we don't do them? Then what?

 

[IamAdopted]

Didn't you hear...? She was put in his care because her other kids were unsaved at the time of Jesus' death... so he gave her to John because he wanted Mary in the hands of a believer.

but obviously James Jesus' "brother" got saved..lol.

But then again, one poster has all but said we should blow him off... so,

Who are we to blow off?

 

[Benedicta00]

He would give His mother in care of one of His true brothers and sisters which was not the case at this time for they did not believe in Him as the Messiah.. This is what Jesus said when They said that His mother and brothers were outside waiting to talk to Him.. He said who are my mother and my brothers? For He was not of this world but of the Heavenly kingdom and those whom do the will of the Father are His true brothers and sisters.. Which we can see they did come to knowledge and belief in Him at a later date for we have the book of James and Jude.

But if James is his brother... then how can you say that his brothers were unsaved?

And I'm really wanting to know just where doe scripture teach any of this?

This has been totally made up by someone and I really would love to know by who?

 

[Benedicta00]

Who are we to blow off?

Originally Posted by Benedicta00
Faith with out works is dead. .

Originally Posted by Mobiosity
So says James, Jesus' brother. Not Jesus.

Apperently James.