Co-Redeemer?

[Benedicta00]

By Power of the Holy Spirit..It is Christ at work in us.. We are to submit all we are or have unto the Lord..He is the one who declares us righteous. Our works is to be more Christ like.. Taking Gods word and walking it out here on earth. Not to be saved but because we are saved.. It is Christ who saves us.. It is us that are to read His word and conform to His word.. So that in doing this those without Christ can see our lives and glorify our Father in Heaven.. We look to Jesus the Author and finisher of our Faith. As we submit to His word He will cause growth in our life..

Yes we are transfomed by the Holy Spirit-- It is HIM who inspires us and gives us the holy nudge we need to do what we are called to do.

We don't disagree there.

But the works are not only acting like Christ, the works in conjuction with grace transform us into what Christ redeemed us to be, the sons of God.

So we are like Christ, we don't just act like him, we don't just act the part, we live it, we are it.

This is about Theosis once again, not just dung covered up but really transforming into something beautfiul for God.

And the works are forgiving as we are forgiven. They are obeying His commands and they are loving each other as Christ loves us all.

That is a tall order to fill but if we can do this, and we won't unless we allow the Holy Spirit to live in us as we listen to him... Jesus will call us freind which means we will have a share in Him, not just wear his merits like their a peice of clothing while underneath we are not better then we were before.

Covered up dung is not transforming. It is staying as you are underneath.

But transforming is changing, not staying as you are. It is becoming what Christ died for us all to be, something beautiful for God.

 

[Mobiosity]

So? Jesus cousin wrote it? So what?

Okay, now back to the question, are you sayig we can pick out books in the canon and just blow them off if we want? .

You mis-read what I wrote. James was Jesus' brother, not his cousin. The canon was chosen by men, under the Holy Spirit's direction. The book by James said that faith without works dead, not that it doesn't exist, and nowhere does it say without works you'll never get to Heaven.

 

[Asinner]

You mis-read what I wrote. James was Jesus' brother, not his cousin. The canon was chosen by men, under the Holy Spirit's direction. The book by James said that faith without works dead, not that it doesn't exist, and nowhere does it say without works you'll never get to Heaven.

If James was Mary's son, then Christ would not have put her in the care of John while hanging on the tree.

Love,
Christina

 

[Uphill Battle]

If James was Mary's son, then Christ would not have put her in the care of John while hanging on the tree.

Love,
Christina

I'm sorry, but that cannot be asserted with any certainty whatsoever. You have no way of delving in to the mind of Christ, and supposing that he would or would not do something.

 

[Asinner]

I'm sorry, but that cannot be asserted with any certainty whatsoever. You have no way of delving in to the mind of Christ, and supposing that he would or would not do something.

It strongly goes against Jewish custom if Mary did have other sons.

Love,
Christina

 

[sunlover1]

But show me where it teaches a 'saved' person will be on auto poilet doing good works?

And define what you think good works are anyway?

.

Hi Bene,
I don't think a 'saved' person will be on
auto pilot doing good works.
As usual, I didn't explain well.
I was talking about a transformed person
desiring to walk in the light, rather
than in the darkness.

Good works are those things that God
preordained for us...

Ephesians 2:9-10
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained
that we should walk in them.

These are the good works we will do, the
ones that God has for each of us.
They don't save us, they follow us.

We're created in His image.
Once we've been reborn, we
become totally different creatures.
Old things pass away, behold
ALL things become new.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18
7 Now the Lord is that Spirit:
and where the Spirit of the Lord is,
there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face
beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

love,
sunlover

 

[sunlover1]

If James was Mary's son, then Christ would not have put her in the care of John while hanging on the tree.

Love,
Christina

You make a great point, but then again
we can't really know that.
Jesus I'm sure adored His mother and
family, but He is God.
He looks at things differently than we do.
Not so much the flesh, but the spiritual.

Either way, cousin or brother, what matter.

sunlover

 

[Asinner]

You make a great point, but then again
we can't really know that.
Jesus I'm sure adored His mother and
family, but He is God.
He looks at things differently than we do.
Not so much the flesh, but the spiritual.

Either way, cousin or brother, what matter.

sunlover

It matters, Sunlover. In Orthodoxy, nothing is insignificant and everything is meaningful. He would not have gone against Jewish custom. His mother was left in the care of John because Mary had no other children.

Love,
Christina

 

[repentant]

James the Apostle, the Lord's brother, has to be one of two James that were Apostles, either James, son of Zebedee, or James son of Alpheus. These are the only two Apostles names James. So he was a cousin of Jesus, not His brother.

Here we see a woman reffered to as Jesus' mother' sister, although was her cousin.

John 19:25
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

Now if you look here, the woman said to be His mother's sister, is either the mother of the sons of Zebedee, OR Mary the mother of James and Joses..

Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's sons.


Now Alpheus is also called Cleopus, so saying that, Mary the wife of Clopus, is the same Mary as the Mary the mother of James and Josus. So therefore, the woman called Jesus' mother's sister, is the same person as the mother of Zebedee's sons..also known as Salome, who was Mary's cousin...making James the son of Zebedee, Jesus' cousin, not His brother allthough He is called that.

 

[sunlover1]

It matters, Sunlover. In Orthodoxy, nothing is insignificant and everything is meaningful. He would not have gone against Jewish custom. His mother was left in the care of John because Mary had no other children.

Love,
Christina

I'm sorry, right it does matter
in Orthodoxy.

sunlover

 

[Asinner]

I'm sorry, right it does matter
in Orthodoxy.

sunlover

It is a narrow path that we must follow, hence, why nothing is insignificant.

Love,
Christina

 

[IamAdopted]

Yes we are transfomed by the Holy Spirit-- It is HIM who inspires us and gives us the holy nudge we need to do what we are called to do.

We don't disagree there.

But the works are not only acting like Christ, the works in conjuction with grace transform us into what Christ redeemed us to be, the sons of God.

So we are like Christ, we don't just act like him, we don't just act the part, we live it, we are it.

This is about Theosis once again, not just dung covered up but really transforming into something beautfiul for God.

And the works are forgiving as we are forgiven. They are obeying His commands and they are loving each other as Christ loves us all.

That is a tall order to fill but if we can do this, and we won't unless we allow the Holy Spirit to live in us as we listen to him... Jesus will call us freind which means we will have a share in Him, not just wear his merits like their a peice of clothing while underneath we are not better then we were before.

Covered up dung is not transforming. It is staying as you are underneath.

But transforming is changing, not staying as you are. It is becoming what Christ died for us all to be, something beautiful for God.

When you come to Christ you become a new creation in Him.. His work in us transforms us. We are already saved and Gods Children. We as His people are to submit to His word and become more Christ like every day.We learn to walk His ways. Denying ourselves and picking up our cross and following after Him. Because of this Inward Change in us that Christ has preformed our works are visable.. Those whom use to be fornicators are now walking with the Lord and Him in us change us from sinful to obedient.. The blood of Jesus does not cover us.. The blood of Jesus washes us clean.. When we come to Christ our sins are tossed as far from the east as to the west.. Though our sins be as red as scarlet they are washed as white as snow. NOt by anything we have done but by the blood of Jesus and Him living in us.

 

[IamAdopted]

If James was Mary's son, then Christ would not have put her in the care of John while hanging on the tree.

Love,
Christina

And this is where you are mistaken.. For John was there and was Jesus best friend.. His brothers were not there for Him to give her care to. John took her into his home.. Jesus had many brothers.. Jude is one of them. He also had sisters.. This can be seen in scripture in the OT and the NT.. We as protestants just don't need to change the words to make them out to be cousins because we are not trying to hold up something that scripture does not define.. Such as the PV of Mary so therefore we can take what the bible says and believe it without saying well this must mean something other than it says..

 

[IamAdopted]

It strongly goes against Jewish custom if Mary did have other sons.

Love,
Christina

Jesus never followed traditions of man..

 

[Asinner]

And this is where you are mistaken.. For John was there and was Jesus best friend.. His brothers were not there for Him to give her care to. John took her into his home.. Jesus had many brothers.. Jude is one of them. He also had sisters.. This can be seen in scripture in the OT and the NT.. We as protestants just don't need to change the words to make them out to be cousins because we are not trying to hold up something that scripture does not define.. Such as the PV of Mary so therefore we can take what the bible says and believe it without saying well this must mean something other than it says..

Remarkable! Thank you for your 21st century rendering of the Holy Scriptures.

Jewish custom would not have allowed Mary to be given to anyone other than her biological children. The Old Testament is full of stuff like that.

Love,
Christina

 

[IamAdopted]

Remarkable! Thank you for your 21st century rendering of the Holy Scriptures.

Jewish custom would not have allowed Mary to be given to anyone other than her biological children. The Old Testament is full of stuff like that.

Love,
Christina

Then Jesus came and did things that were not custom to the Jewish and religious leaders and they wanted to kill Him for this. Amazing isn't it.. He was the creator of the Jewish people that had went astray from Him and made mens traditions which went against the Commandments of God.. This is what He speaks of so much in His word..

 

[Asinner]

Then Jesus came and did things that were not custom to the Jewish and religious leaders and they wanted to kill Him for this. Amazing isn't it.. He was the creator of the Jewish people that had went astray from Him and made mens traditions which went against the Commandments of God.. This is what He speaks of so much in His word..

He would have no need to leave His mother in the care of John if He had other brothers.

Love,
Christina

 

[repentant]

And this is where you are mistaken.. For John was there and was Jesus best friend.. His brothers were not there for Him to give her care to. John took her into his home.. Jesus had many brothers.. Jude is one of them. He also had sisters.. This can be seen in scripture in the OT and the NT.. We as protestants just don't need to change the words to make them out to be cousins because we are not trying to hold up something that scripture does not define.. Such as the PV of Mary so therefore we can take what the bible says and believe it without saying well this must mean something other than it says..

His brothers were not there for Him to give her care to.

And they wouldn't need to be, it would be an automatic thing.

Jesus had many brothers.. Jude is one of them.

No, sorry..

Jude 1:1
Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:

Jude was James the son of Alpheus' brother, not Jesus'..

 

[repentant]

Then Jesus came and did things that were not custom to the Jewish and religious leaders and they wanted to kill Him for this. Amazing isn't it.. He was the creator of the Jewish people that had went astray from Him and made mens traditions which went against the Commandments of God.. This is what He speaks of so much in His word..

No, Jesus did everything according to the law and custom. What He criticized was the Pharisitic attitude they had. They were doing things wrong, He did it right. It wasn't that He went against everything..

 

[IamAdopted]

He would have no need to leave His mother in the care of John if He had other brothers.

Love,
Christina

He would give His mother in care of one of His true brothers and sisters which was not the case at this time for they did not believe in Him as the Messiah.. This is what Jesus said when They said that His mother and brothers were outside waiting to talk to Him.. He said who are my mother and my brothers? For He was not of this world but of the Heavenly kingdom and those whom do the will of the Father are His true brothers and sisters.. Which we can see they did come to knowledge and belief in Him at a later date for we have the book of James and Jude.