Climate change, deforestation, mass extinction...

[Zoness]

If modern civilization with all of its amenities was to magically disappear overnight, forcing us all to embrace a more basic mode of survival, I'm not so sure I'd be able to cope.

I'm not much of a gardener, I absolutely SUCK at any kind of handicrafts, I've never built or even repaired anything, and if I was able to somehow catch and kill a rabbit or some other meat source, I doubt I'd know how to prepare the meat without spoiling it.

I'd LOVE to attend a survivalist workshop, a spiritual "retreat", or some other course that involves learning how to get by without the luxury we've become used to.
But at this point? I'd be about as useful as nipples on a chestplate. I'm a poet, a critic, a scholar - and none of that is of any immediate use in more primitive circumstances.

I think the 'point' would be that its at least an interesting exercise even if you don't get a whole lot out of it. You could gauge effectively how you'd make do in a world different than our current one. Even if you don't become a hermit or something, I think there would be something worthwhile in such a course. I'd love to attend one if I knew about any of them.

If I had more time and a yard I'd try my hand at gardening. I want to grow my own food because a lot of my friends do and its wonderful. I can do a lot of simple repairs and some mechanical work but my skills are mostly electronic so I don't get to use or refine those more handiwork-oriented skills.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

The world is in the most peaceful era humanity has ever seen.

We still need a lot of growth - but for real, we need a Captain Planet moment.(amazing as he was)...I remember taking things more seriously as a kid in the 90s due to T.V shows like that which were very enjoyable and yet insightful in making others concerned for the environment.

They don't really make T.V shows or cartoons like they used to which really informed...

Captain Planet Intro and Outro HQ - YouTube

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[Gxg (G²)]

It can be very tough for people to simplify their lives once they get trapped in the system though. I wish I knew then what I know now.

If you've never heard of it, you'd probably enjoy the film called "Instinct" with Anthony Hopkins and Cuba Gooding Junior. Truly one of the most powerful films I've ever seen when it comes to living in simplicity with the world around us. The film examines the mind of an anthropologist (Anthony Hopkins) who has been missing for a few years, living in the jungle with gorillas. He was accused of killing and injuring several supposed wilderness park rangers in Africa, and sent to prison and a bright young psychologist (Cuba Gooding Jr.) tried to find out why he killed these men, but became entangled in a quest to learn the true history and nature of mankind. I will never forget one of the most powerful scenes in the film when the imprisoned anthropologists speaks on the issue of control - as well as living in harmony with the world and not being a taker..

"Dominion" Give it Up - YouTube

 

[gord44]

I'll check that flick out. I remember when it came out in theatres.

I am honestly just trying to live out the Sermon on the Mount as best I can. That's a simple start.

 

[NannaNae]

" Climate change, deforestation, mass extinction..."

you know about three times in the last 6000 years the windows of heaven were opened and huge bodies struck this earth and these nut job scientist are worried about 2 or 3 degrees.. that they can't even prove!

these goofy scientist are worried about a couple of degrees in temperature fluxes when the truth is at least three times the world went from 100's and even 1000 of degrees on both sides of zero in minutes.. because " the windows of heaven were opened "


but they all sit in front of their desks fantasying about nature " and how it works" and they call themselves 'naturalist' because they love a puppy dog or a kitty cat ... all the while everywhere you go in their tiny little world the air is conditioned and heated or cooled and using all that power you freak about so much and the food is all brought to their doors and they may not have ever had their hands in dirt once . as you drive on oiled roads from place to place freaking out and wanting to control everyone else except themselves.



you know the BIBLE say that opposite of Faith in him is FEAR .
it seems it is FEAR Of EVERYTHING
and it sure seem you folks prove his word is true.
These un-faith-ful scientism types must all have some form of autism and or narcissism with autism mixed in . they just can't deal with changes ! this is a living planet and so things cycle. but that LIFE of our planet has caused them/ you great FEAR.,. . That has to be why you won't deal with the truth .
That FEAR has to part of why they/ YOU are so freaking out kind fearful about two or maybe three very unproven degrees of change , which might be totally normal fluctuation on a very living planet !
fear is the opposite of faith and it seems you are so very proud of how you guys lack faith in anything , your " NO Faith in a GOD" !! and what you fear is coming upon you because that is what you are speaking and giving authority to so that is what you see . you see carbon.. I see LIFE!!!
might I suggest you all seem to have plenty of faith in your fear !! and your fearing makes you a bunch of control freaks .
that fear and fear mongering goes all the way down to your toes. and it totally controls you . and then you try and control everyone else with YOUR fears .. man you all really have faith in your fears!
SO let's make a wild guess or two just why God and some churches talk about hell so much! maybe because it is proven that some fear mongering is the only way to get a fear mongers attention! because that is the only thing you are capable of believing in , your own fear !!
maybe God knows and man has figured out that with out God you can do nothing but fear everything. have you ever noticed how all the Athiest on this list don't believe in God but they believe in hell. because that is all they talk about.. they are abscessed with it . they are abscessed with their own fears about the hell they are creating and bring into this world by their own control. I mean that is the very definition of a paranoid schizophrenic !

I am just positive the unfaithful and fear mongers of science(tism) ... would just die , I mean just drop dead.. of fear if anything real ever really happened .
I just never could figure out why they hated the truth so much.
the truth is about just some fantastic amazing stories of faithfulness of both man towards God and his truth and instructions and faithfulness of God to his faithful .. wow .. a God that can really protect his faithful is SO awesome! Especially during events so large the fearful mongers of this world can't even think about those events.
God is as profoundly precis as he is profoundly protective of his creation and all things under his care. A creator who is awesome to SAVE HIS CREATION under his care !
I just think most of you all will just up and die of fear and panic one day when stuff gets real and real familiar to any one listening to eyewitnesses of this worlds real history.


FEAR is

Luk 21:25
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And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26
People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

and Faith is

Isa 40:31
but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

Yet you wonder why people have faith in an awesome God .... it is because of your guys example of what happens when you are faithless and fearful of everything( except sin , and you are not afraid of sin at all including killing your own or anyone elses ) and because of that fear you are control freaks also, from molesting your neighbors with lawsuits and stupid human control issues like how much sodas they can have ... just like the Paxton boys! read that for a glimpse into justified fear mongering and control freaks.. and what they do get by with . oh yah! people NEED guns from those who want to save the world..

you all fear sodas, fat , ugly and christians and just about anything including carbon.. and you fear everything else that can not hurt the faithful at all .
with all your mongering hate and fear ! the very reason you spend all your time mongering this list is your afraid of anyone who doesn't believe what you believe. because you only believe in your fear and yourself . sorry God and I don't don't believe in you and your oppionions .. as much as you believe in you.

the only thing to fear on this whole planet is and has always been fear mongering control freaks!!
and that kind of fear is in everyone if they give in to it . it is sin. hell between your ears wants to keep you all about you . and it isn't all about you !
so you don't understand why we have faith in our awesome God and maybe our guns sometimes ? it is so that we don't have to be fearful of everything that you fear, which it sure appears it is just about everything in this world except sin and fear mongering neighbors about carbon and sodas ! !
ps hell is real and to be feared and So is God and his laws of creation . get over it and ask him for his freedom to fear what we should fear, SIN and our own ignorant deceptive fearing hearts ! !

IN REV 20 first thing on his list is Cowards then unbelievers.. why because they both operate in FEAR and lies!

 

[BaconWizard]

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you know about three times in the last 6000 years the windows of heaven were opened and huge bodies struck this earth and these nut job scientist are worried about 2 or 3 degrees.. that they can't even prove!

Name them, giving the rough date and place it landed and methods used to determine that, the approximate mass, length of time that the weather was affected and how, also the length of time that the climate was affected and how. With citations to verified papers. Thanks.

Also since the "heavens opened" please describe to us in what sense they are usually closed, demonstrate that they were then opened and that the "huge body" came through that opening. Thanks again.

 

[NannaNae]

read the bible.. learn native stories and FIND them yourself.. that is the only way to overcome your fears to know it yourself, to find it yourself!
start with eyewitness huge events recorded in the bible.
try and correlate them to native people stories... they aren't fearful they are just recording history in their ways ! FIND IT, pray , Pray , he will show you .. he will lead you ! figure it out yourself if you really want to know who God is.

 

[Zoness]

Indeed. It can be very tough for people to simplify their lives once they get trapped in the system though. I wish I knew then what I know now. But you just plug away and work towards a more authentic Christian life the best you can.

This is true. When we define "the system" as basically our entire framework of a free market, high resource, high availability society its incredibly painful and jarring to adapt to something else. In fact, the simple fact that most people can't deal with it will itself be the chaos that arises from the ashes.

That's personally why I have interest in being more off grid or at least maintaining more of my own systems of survival. I don't need (or even want) to be a survivalist but having basic skills and not taking resources for granted is a good way to ease your frame of mind into the world of resource scarcity.

 

[Zoness]

" Climate change, deforestation, mass extinction..."

you know about three times in the last 6000 years the windows of heaven were opened and huge bodies struck this earth and these nut job scientist are worried about 2 or 3 degrees.. that they can't even prove!

Climate and weather are not the same thing; a steady increase of temperature in the whole of the climate is intrinsically devastating because small changes to chaotic ensembles yields much larger end results. If you're only driving 30 mph on the road, and you veer off course, your angle will be less intense over time than if you were driving 70 mph. A very small change in a high-energy system can produce exponentially greater impact.

Plus the evidence is well documented by 99% of the scientific community.

these goofy scientist are worried about a couple of degrees in temperature fluxes when the truth is at least three times the world went from 100's and even 1000 of degrees on both sides of zero in minutes.. because " the windows of heaven were opened "

Please provide a citation of this demonstrating it as a fact. Thanks.

 

[gord44]

This is true. When we define "the system" as basically our entire framework of a free market, high resource, high availability society its incredibly painful and jarring to adapt to something else. In fact, the simple fact that most people can't deal with it will itself be the chaos that arises from the ashes.

That's personally why I have interest in being more off grid or at least maintaining more of my own systems of survival. I don't need (or even want) to be a survivalist but having basic skills and not taking resources for granted is a good way to ease your frame of mind into the world of resource scarcity.

I have read a few things that say the 'chaos' won't actually come. I think I mentioned it earlier but the chaos idea is kinda pop culture. It could be more of a slow decline. Technology progress will slow. Economies will slow. Production will slow. People will have to adapt, but it won't be overnight.

Of course catastrophic events could change that idea.

Also like you I have no interest in survivalist stuff. If anything, like you said, I am trying to be aware of resources as well as prepare my house for an extended time with no power. ie. food, water, generator, etc.

 

[awitch]

We still need a lot of growth - but for real, we need a Captain Planet moment.(amazing as he was)...I remember taking things more seriously as a kid in the 90s due to T.V shows like that which were very enjoyable and yet insightful in making others concerned for the environment.

They don't really make T.V shows or cartoons like they used to which really informed...

Personally, Plucky Duck as the Toxic Revenger would be my go-to character, but that's just me.

 

[gord44]

read the bible.. learn native stories and FIND them yourself.. that is the only way to overcome your fears to know it yourself, to find it yourself!
start with eyewitness huge events recorded in the bible.
try and correlate them to native people stories... they aren't fearful they are just recording history in their ways ! FIND IT, pray , Pray , he will show you .. he will lead you ! figure it out yourself if you really want to know who God is.

who's scared? you sound scared with your ranting. We are all cool as cucumbers here having an interesting conversation.

and yeah, i read the bible and pray. thanks though.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

who's scared? you sound scared with your ranting. We are all cool as cucumbers here having an interesting conversation..

Was wondering the same thing with asking "Who's scared?" - others have simply been discussing practical ways to deal with the ecological issues impacting our world and having consequences, be it pollution or over-consumption of resources and many other things God Himself warned against in the scriptures. And other believers have noted the same realities when it comes to not assuming that walking in wisdom/caution (as God commands) is the same as "walking in fear" or "paranoia" - it certainly wasn't a matter of "walking in fear" when others warned against overusing the soil in the Great Plains - leading to the Dust Bowl of the 1920s-1930s and other ecological disasters that Christians and non-Christians alike warned on.

And for other Christians noting what scripture says on the matter and how we're impacted by it (in the same way others in the OT were impacted by abusing the land and it not bearing fruit for them since they didn't give it rest), I am thankful. There was actually an excellent book on the matter that did a wonderful job addressing the matter - by activist/scientist Ben Lowe, entitled Green Revolution: Coming Together to Care for Creation

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He and many others are not afraid as they go about dealing with things...and I am so glad for others teaching what it means to walk in wisdom and faith simultaneously when it comes to tending to the planet God made - in the same way God had Adam tend to the Garden in Genesis 2 while also calling for Adam to trust in Him - for Sustainable Care of the world impacts the way we are able to treat each other - and others are paving the way for showing how much God takes that seriously. From how we farm and the foolishness with Monsanto in regards to the animal/agriculture systems impacted by it - to the misuse of water.....and many other things

who's scared?

As it concerns the entire concept of "not walking in fear" - I cannot speak for all others...but I agree with others noting that the concept of a terrible, horrific 'end' is very alien the more you read the totality of scripture - and for myself, it was shocking to realize that after learning what Christ, the apostles and the rest of the early church actually taught. For it's an age of restoration that we should look forward to, when all of creation will be renewed....believers in Christ need to be aware of that fact and how we are meant to play an active role in redeeming the world rather than waiting for it to burn - or claiming "We don't need to have fear!!!" when it comes to realizing the need for wisdom/caution and knowing that God works through His people. It is truly sad to see how others don't realize that proponents of a fearful and hyper vigilant eschatology are toxic to the Gospel itself...

What's interesting, of course, is that there are even proponents of how horrific things will be in the end that have noted how amazing they will be as well. ...and they have often said that the Church needs to do a better job of showing the ways that we're to be representing for Christ in his REDEEMPTION of the world which we play a part in.

For reference and more on what I am speaking on, one can go see the author in A Pattern For Nations | K V Ministries and Apostolic Eschatology | K V Ministries. Although I don't agree with all things from the aformentioned author, some of what he noted were things I grew up with and I was blessed hearing his presentations on the matter when it came to multiple scriptures that people leave out in regards to the many beautiful things happening for believers in the End Times....especially when seeing Isaiah in his prophecies on how the nations would respond before the Messiah arrived. And as noted elsewhere, I have often find myself seeing merit in views such as Apostolic Premillennialism”..different from other forms of pre-millennialism (and based more so on the Christ Victor view) by it being more optimistic with the end times — more focused on the Apostolic character of the church that is supposed to be coming. ...and on the same token, the Christus Victor view is separate from that/sufficient by itself and what I think should take prominence since it made a world of difference when it came to knowing how they interacted with the world...knowing the enemy was defeated and thus we have a job to do.

Eschatology does make a bit of a difference in how others see things - for again, it's amazing how others only focus on those aspects with eschatology which are a negative - and look for that in the world. Not many, however, seem to want to focus on the good that is....and has been happening..

For clarity, when 2012 hit, many were thinking it was automatically going to be the end. But part of me felt that perhaps with going into 2012 the reality is that we're not on the brink of the Beginning of the End....but rather, the Beginning of the Beginning. And how wild would it be if other generations looked back/considered the times we lived in as a matter of "The Dark Ages" compared to where they were at

You never know...

• 2012: Beginning of the End or a New Beginning | SF Politics

As bad as things seem, I do think it's interesting to see the ways that they have also improved (and I acknowledge that having some leanings toward partial preterism and futurism mixed makes a lot of difference in how I choose to respond - noted in #43, #89 and #80 ) and I do take encouragement in that as well. There were some excellent presentations I saw once that really spoke to me on the issue..

Hans Rosling's 200 Countries, 200 Years, 4 Minutes - The Joy of Stats - BBC Four

Hans Rosling: Stats that reshape your world-view

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Personally, Plucky Duck as the Toxic Revenger would be my go-to character, but that's just me.

Ha Forgot about that one...

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Personally, Plucky Duck as the Toxic Revenger would be my go-to character, but that's just me.

Tiny Toons Montana Max Tickle - YouTube

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I will check out that video. Thanks! Water indeed will be a very valuable resource as time goes on..

Was curious as to whether you had time to go through the documentary on water conservation and the way that it is drying up....

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Some good reviews on the matter showing religions giving their own perspectives on the issues:

Cities, Climate Change, and Christianity: Religion and Sustainable Urbanism - YouTube

Cities, Climate Change, and Christianity: Religion and Sustainable Urbanism - YouTube

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Personally, Plucky Duck as the Toxic Revenger would be my go-to character, but that's just me.

On a more serious note, beyond Plucky Duck or Captain Planet, I'm glad we've yet to encounter people like Ra's Al Ghul...as he didn't play at all when it came to the environment...with his religious views behind such thinking being very fascinating

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Supervillain Origins: Ra's Al Ghul - YouTube
The great quotes of: Ra's al Ghul - YouTube

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[Gxg (G²)]

I have no interest in survivalist stuff. If anything, like you said, I am trying to be aware of resources as well as prepare my house for an extended time with no power. ie. food, water, generator, etc.

We're all seeking to do what we can do...

That said, have you ever heard of this group entitled Green Muslims and BBC - GCSE Bitesize: Islamic belief about the environment?

 

[gord44]

Interesting.

I was actually listening to a book about Mohammed (pbuh) this morning on the way to work and it spoke about how much he cared for nature and revealed how important nature is to God.