Clapping during Mass

[JSRG]

Instead of being befuddled, google and look at the results, cross check the results, and I am sure you'll be satisfied.

As I said:

I tried to search for this quote, and all I came across were people who were repeating it, with not a single one giving a citation or source; for that matter, no one I saw even specified who the "they" that supposedly asked Padre Pio about this were.

So I did in fact "google and look at the results". And all of the results gave me no source or citation at all. I am not sure why you are asking me to do something I already did instead of just posting the source as was requested.

Please stop beating around the bush. Do you have a source for this or do you not? If you do, please tell us what it is.

 

[Lady Bug]

I am indifferent if the clapping is after some sort of "speech" that a guest gives, or after the priest gets done introducing the catechumens/candidates from RCIA (I remember the latter, lol). However, I find it kind of annoying if there is any clapping after the final instrumental at the end of Mass.

 

[concretecamper]

Interesting snipet

Question:​

When is it appropriate to applaud at Mass? To do so appears to reduce the Mass to the level of entertainment, but so many people do it nowadays that I’d like to know if the Church has any teaching about it.

Answer:​

There is no Church document specifying applause as an appropriate liturgical response to music, singing, homilies, or announcements of gratitude by the presider.
Although the Church does not explicitly state that applause is inappropriate at Mass, that may be because such a stricture used to be enforced by Western society. As a matter of traditional Western etiquette, it used to be severely frowned upon to applaud in church because church services are worship offered up to God and not entertainment to be critiqued by the assembly.
Now that society has generally lost the sense that applause is inappropriate in church, I suspect that the Church may soon have to speak on the matter before people take the idea to its logical conclusion and begin to boo when they are insufficiently entertained at Mass

When is it appropriate to applaud at Mass?

There is no Church document specifying applause as a...

www.catholic.com

 

[concretecamper]

Is It Okay to Applaud at Mass? Here’s What Four Popes Have Said About It...

You might be surprised at what Pope Francis had to say!

www.apostoliviae.org

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So, applause breaks out for the music group, what should the priest do, tell them to stop?

 

[Gnarwhal]

My first priest actually went out of his way on more than one occasion to instruct the parish on how to behave at Mass, that included an admonition not to applause.

An interesting thought, I wonder, is how would it feel to applause at a Mass done ad orientem (regardless of the Mass form itself)? I've never seen that before, and I wonder if it's because the versus populum position beckons for applause because it creates more of a host-audience dynamic?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

My first priest actually went out of his way on more than one occasion to instruct the parish on how to behave at Mass, that included an admonition not to applause.

An interesting thought, I wonder, is how would it feel to applause at a Mass done ad orientem (regardless of the Mass form itself)? I've never seen that before, and I wonder if it's because the versus populum position beckons for applause because it creates more of a host-audience dynamic?

Applause never happens during the Mass, only at the end when final announcements are made and
thanks may be given to the music group or a person brought into the Church.

So, it wouldn't matter which way the priest faces, whether with his back to the people or facing them, as Christ
does.

 

[concretecamper]

So, applause breaks out for the music group, what should the priest do, tell them to stop?

Yes, tell them to stop and explain why. It would cease very quickly.

 

[concretecamper]

Applause never happens during the Mass

If it happens after the opening blessing and before the final blessing it is during Mass. Why does this need to be explained?

 

[concretecamper]

An interesting thought, I wonder, is how would it feel to applause at a Mass done ad orientem (regardless of the Mass form itself)? I've never seen that before, and I wonder if it's because the versus populum position beckons for applause because it creates more of a host-audience dynamic?

I think the reason may be that people who attend a Liturgy said ad orientem know why they are there.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

If it happens after the opening blessing and before the final blessing it is during Mass. Why does this need to be explained?

If it happens before the beginning of Mass, or before the final blessing, it's not during Mass. Mass takes place between
the opening prayer and closing prayer. The blessing can be given, at Mass or outside of Mass.

From the USCCB, The Structure of the Mass;

"30. Among those things assigned to the Priest, the prime place is occupied by the Eucharistic Prayer, which is the high point of the whole celebration. Next are the orations, that is to say, the Collect, the Prayer over the Offerings, and the Prayer after Communion. These prayers are addressed to God by the Priest who presides over the assembly in the person of Christ, in the name of the entire holy people and of all present. Hence they are rightly called the “presidential prayers.”

 

[concretecamper]

If it happens before the beginning of Mass, or before the final blessing, it's not during Mass. Mass takes place between
the opening prayer and closing prayer. The blessing can be given, at Mass or outside of Mass.

From the USCCB, The Structure of the Mass;

"30. Among those things assigned to the Priest, the prime place is occupied by the Eucharistic Prayer, which is the high point of the whole celebration. Next are the orations, that is to say, the Collect, the Prayer over the Offerings, and the Prayer after Communion. These prayers are addressed to God by the Priest who presides over the assembly in the person of Christ, in the name of the entire holy people and of all present. Hence they are rightly called the “presidential prayers.”

Thank you for quoting something that has nothing to do about when Mass begins or ends.

You obviously read the UCCB website and found out something you didn't expect. I hope you are now clear on the matter.

 

[Iuxta Crucem Lacrimosa]

So, it wouldn't matter which way the priest faces, whether with his back to the people or facing them, as Christ does.

You get ad orientem totally wrong. Your take on ad orientem is a common theological misconception often held by progressive Catholics. Thing is, the priest faces God and works as a high priest during ad orientem celebrations. It’s not his back that is of interest, but rather his front. His focal point is God, not the people. He prays on our behalf, us the faithful. He consecrate the host and the blood of Christ and offers it up to God at the altar on our behalf. This is modeled after the way the high priests held services and offerings in the temple prior to the 2nd fall of the Israeli temple (year 70 AD).

Versus popolum perverts this theologically significant aspect of the mass and reduces the mass to be a celebration of the people. That isn’t the same as saying that Novus Ordo or Versus Popolum masses are invalid, but it represent an ugly breach in the liturgical tradition of the church.
Have you ever thought about just how weird it is when the priest chants the prayers to God, turned with his back against the high altar ?
It’s really weird on so many levels.
Low altars as such should be used only when there are no high altars. Otherwise it just seems awkward altogether.

Disclaimer: I’m not promoting TLM as such, but this Vatican II trend of turning the priests back against God and the low altars should stop the sooner rather than later.
Since you focused on the priests back, then so did I. Is it proper to celebrate the whole mass with the back turned towards God you think?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Clapping at Mass is merely a way of the congregation saying "Thank You." It's not done
during the Mass itself, but usually at the end. I've never seen it during the Mass itself.

Padre Pio was referring to clapping during the Mass in general.

Of course, Padre Pio was also ordered to say Mass by himself as he sometimes
took 3 hours to complete the Mass. People who attended Mass before heading
to work couldn't stay for more than an hour. Padre Pio had his own issues.

Spiritually St Pio was suffering the entire Calvary of 3 hours and his wounds of the stigmata.

Also people flocked to his MASS to see it and Vatican humbled him and tested obedience.

Nobody usually complained if ever. They got upset he was removed. Obviously other MASSES were available and at our parish alone there were 5 priests in the 60's and 70's and we had 5 Masses over the weekend. Nobody had to attend Pio's Mass and nobody would dare complain.
ADDING nobody or so very very few [medical maybe] worked on a Sunday in the 50's and 60's.
So I doubt the claims of your sources.

AGAIN; St Pio was taken off duty because people were flocking to see him and Vatican felt he being seen as a 'super star' vs a humble servant.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I try to avoid contemplating the errors of behavior even if it I know otherwise it bothers me, it can totally interfere with the commune with the Lord if we're distracted by negative feelings like annoyances during Mass.

Not a fan of clapping but I rather just stay hopefully positive.
I have not run into that for a long time.
70s.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Spiritually St Pio was suffering the entire Calvary of 3 hours and his wounds of the stigmata.

Also people flocked to his MASS to see it and Vatican humbled him and tested obedience.

Nobody usually complained if ever. They got upset he was removed. Obviously other MASSES were available and at our parish alone there were 5 priests in the 60's and 70's and we had 5 Masses over the weekend. Nobody had to attend Pio's Mass and nobody would dare complain.
ADDING nobody or so very very few [medical maybe] worked on a Sunday in the 50's and 60's.
So I doubt the claims of your sources.

AGAIN; St Pio was taken off duty because people were flocking to see him and Vatican felt he being seen as a 'super star' vs a humble servant.

Actually people did complain, which is why he was forced to say Mass in private.

Imagine attending weekday Mass on your way to work or school and not being able to stay because it's 3 hours long?

BTW, farmers still work on Saturday and Sundays. If you doubt that, ask a farmer.

 

[mourningdove~]

Spiritually St Pio was suffering the entire Calvary of 3 hours and his wounds of the stigmata.

Also people flocked to his MASS to see it and Vatican humbled him and tested obedience.

Nobody usually complained if ever. They got upset he was removed. Obviously other MASSES were available and at our parish alone there were 5 priests in the 60's and 70's and we had 5 Masses over the weekend. Nobody had to attend Pio's Mass and nobody would dare complain.
ADDING nobody or so very very few [medical maybe] worked on a Sunday in the 50's and 60's.
So I doubt the claims of your sources.

AGAIN; St Pio was taken off duty because people were flocking to see him and Vatican felt he being seen as a 'super star' vs a humble servant.

Interesting. I know very little about Padre Pio.

But if he held a Mass that lasted 3 hours, I do not think I would have complained.
Apparently, the Lord was doing 'a work' there ...

Nowadays, we want everything to be done conveniently, convenient to our schedules.
Whether looking at the Mass or Protestant services, services are done by schedule, to last for only a certain length of time.

While there are practical reasons to do so, what if God actually does want to do something more ...
but doing so would mean the service must run over the set amount of time?
What then?

It sounds like that was the case with Padre Pio. God wanted to do something more.

(As for complainers? I supposed they could always just leave ... like they do nowadays ... to hurry and get their lunch at McDonalds! lol)

 

[concretecamper]

Padre Pio was a living saint. This is shown by obedience to his superiors even when being unjustly treated

To disparage him because you don't like what he had to say it pitiful. But then again, that is what the culture does these days.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Is It Okay to Applaud at Mass? Here’s What Four Popes Have Said About It...

You might be surprised at what Pope Francis had to say!

www.apostoliviae.org

Then what did the Pope do at the World Youth Day Celebration, when the crowd applauded at the end of Mass?

 

[concretecamper]

Then what did the Pope do at the World Youth Day Celebration, when the crowd applauded at the end of Mass?

Considering the trouble you are having with what is part of the Mass and what is not, when did the applause occur? "at the end" means when? After the final blessing? Before the final blessing?

Could you post a video of it?