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And oh yeal, that car you drive, that mass transit you take, the solar and wind energy, uh...some factories made them and the mass transit is no doubt emitting toxiins. You think those things you listed haven't contributed to pollution we all have to breath? You no way have a pure carbon footprint. No one, who doesn't live in a cave, does.
 
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And oh yeal, I thought of something else. It sounds like you are pretty affluent. That probably means you have a big home with expensive appointments, maybe expensive clothes, too. Uh, don't all those things get made by factories that pour our pollution that we all have to breathe? Again, you are no way absent from having a carbon footprint. But again, it's irrelevant. Whatever your carbon footprint is, what does that have to do with blowing smoke into the space of little children, and other adults? Somehow I see zero connection.
 
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How nice that you are eliminating pollution as much as you can. However, it is not necessary to attack me because I can't afford the resources that you have.
What resources do I have that you don't have? It's not necessary for you to have started attacking me to begin with, but apparently you only think it's an attack when someone disagrees with you.

It's all irrelevant anyway. So what if you have no toxins at all in your home or in your car, if you smoke around little children they can still get a learning disability. What would you tell the child, "Hey kid, pollution is out there, so what if I blow smoke that gets into your lungs and INCREASES your chances of having mental limitations and maybe health problems like ear infections? MY home is clean, I have a great carbon footprint, so I can smoke in your space all I want"?
Who said I smoke around little children? My whole point is that while I don't smoke around little children you are driving your pollution-mobile past little children and your pollution-mobile and home are polluting the air so much that it reaches little children that you're not even around, whereas cigarette smoke does not.

What would you tell the child, "Hey kid, my pollution is out there and it gets into your lungs and INCREASES your chances of having mental limitations and health problems like ear infections but pay no attention to me, instead worry about some person who is nowhere near you having a cigarette, just because I don't smoke so I want to deflect away from my polluting and harming children and focusing on that person doing it by saying he smokes around little kids even though he doesn't"???

Also, no matter how toxin free your personal space is, if you are smoking, you are way not toxin free. And you would certainly not be allowed to smoke in my home or around any children related to me.
True, but also no matter how cigarette-smoke-free your personal space is, if you are using toxic-pollutant-producing vehicles and other heat and energy sources you are way not toxin free. And yet you are allowed to pollute my air.

If you smoke and continue to smoke the chances are great that you will regret it - if not for children, for yourself. It's dangerous. Hello?
I'm aware of that. I will also regret that you were allowed to further pollute my air and the air of the children who are dying from diseases caused by your pollution. I don't think you regret that, though - you seem to not care about the pollution you cause and want to blame nothing else except cigarette smoke, particularly mine, even though you are nowhere near me. As a smoker, though, I can tell you what doesn't help us to quit smoking, and that is the constant badgering and ostracization and attacks from people like you.

Some people out there want to help smokers quit smoking and some people just want to use smokers as a way to feel superior by putting us down. Usually those people (the latter) do so because they have severe deficiencies and want to distract themselves from their own shortcomings and it's easy to do so by finding one thing they don't do wrong and attacking those who do it. It's called being "holier-than-thou".
 
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If you don't smoke around little kids, great. You are still attacking me and virtually blaming me for all the pollution that is out there, though. You, btw, know nothing of my life style. I am retired so I don't use public transportation and drive very little because I live in an area where just about anything I want is within a mile or less from me. So I'd guess that in terms of transortation my "carbon footprint" is smaller than yours.

I have a modest sized condo and you apparently have a big house. Again, all that equipment for solar heating and so on cause pollution when made in factories. A bigger house and more furnishings cause more pollution from factories and such too. For all I know you fly on planes here and there and those are sources of pollution. You are taking a holier than thou approach to me, where I am supposed to just assume your life style is more eco friendly than mine. I have no way to know that and really, frankly, don't care.

If you don't smoke around children - what are we debating? If you smoke around adults that's between you and them. You wouldn't smoke around me, though. All I have to say. Byeeeee.
 
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Oh, and please look up the Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy. You are using it more than once, as when you say I want to feel superior and don't care about smokers quitting. No, my concern was first for the children, not what you IMAGINE to be my ego. I did pray for you to quit smoking, however, ditto the OP.
 
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It is not good to let anything other than God be a master over us. You know you shouldn't smoke that is why you are thinking and writing about it. Quitting is not so hard once you get through that first 5 days. I prayed the Jesus Prayer a lot (constantly!) to get through it: Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
I didn't think I would be able to quit, I was worried my mental health and or marriage wouldn't survive it but it was fine. My husband didn't even notice I quit until over 24 hours later when he couldn't find my ashtray! It's been three weeks and I am done with smoking for good. There was just no good excuse to be made anymore, smoking does not glorify God. May the Holy Spirit help you break this addiction, in Jesus' Holy Name, amen!

Bible verses about smoking


Many people ask questions such as is smoking a sin? Can Christians smoke cigarettes, cigars, and black and milds? There are no Scriptures that say thou shall not smoke, but smoking is sinful and I will explain why below. Not only is it sinful, but it is bad for you.


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Some people are going to make excuses. They will literately search the web to find out if it is a sin, then when they find out it is a sin they will say well pollution and gluttony is bad as well.

No one is denying that, but pointing out another sin like gluttony doesn’t make smoking any less sinful. Let’s learn more below.
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@Chosen_and_blessed :

Hi; I quit, too. (I don't necessarily regard not smoking as a religious thing.)

So how is your quitting coming along? did you keep it up so far? :)
 
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@Chosen_and_blessed :

Hi; I quit, too. (I don't necessarily regard not smoking as a religious thing.)

So how is your quitting coming along? did you keep it up so far? :)

Hi, yeah I just checked it's been eleven weeks now and I haven't had any problems. My husband quit five weeks ago and he really was a heavy smoker (40 grams of heavy tobacco a day). He misses it and is eating a lot more which makes me wonder if we are actually saving any money by quitting smoking, haha. Still, money aside it is better for the health and we want the walls and ceilings to stay white after we paint them in the new year :D

Well done quitting! I certainly sounded like a religious zealot in the post you quoted. I don't want to suggest that people that smoke are not Christians or that it is necessarily a sin. I have plenty of sinful behaviours of my own to worry about. I'm not sure why I made such a stern post, tbh. I feel rather convicted by this...I think I meant to encourage in a strict motherly way...well, this is how I learn :D
 
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Hi, yeah I just checked it's been eleven weeks now and I haven't had any problems. My husband quit five weeks ago and he really was a heavy smoker (40 grams of heavy tobacco a day). He misses it and is eating a lot more which makes me wonder if we are actually saving any money by quitting smoking, haha. Still, money aside it is better for the health and we want the walls and ceilings to stay white after we paint them in the new year :D

Well done quitting! I certainly sounded like a religious zealot in the post you quoted. I don't want to suggest that people that smoke are not Christians or that it is necessarily a sin. I have plenty of sinful behaviours of my own to worry about. I'm not sure why I made such a stern post, tbh. I feel rather convicted by this...I think I meant to encourage in a strict motherly way...well, this is how I learn :D
Congrats!

I think in any case that in certain countries such as The Netherlands and Denmark, an especially large proportion of women have traditionally been smokers, right?
 
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Congrats!

I think in any case that in certain countries such as The Netherlands and Denmark, an especially large proportion of women have traditionally been smokers, right?
Not really sure. I am British and have 'only' lived in the Netherlands for 12 years. Tobacco is cheap here so it seems that more people here smoke than in my native land (Jersey, Channel Islands) where tobacco is outrageously expensive.
 
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Not really sure. I am British and have 'only' lived in the Netherlands for 12 years. Tobacco is cheap here so it seems that more people here smoke than in my native land (Jersey, Channel Islands) where tobacco is outrageously expensive.
Good that you managed to quit; but I guess that when you did smoke while you've been living in The Netherlands, you probably didn't feel particularly out of place there as a smoker, did you? given that so many others there do as well.
 
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Good that you managed to quit; but I guess that when you did smoke while you've been living in The Netherlands, you probably didn't feel particularly out of place there as a smoker, did you? given that so many others there do as well.
Oh no, it's quite a social thing to do here. I think it helped me to socialise a little because people tend to chat (and gossip!) during cigarette breaks. I won't miss having to stand outside in the snow just to satisfy that nicotine craving though!
 
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Oh no, it's quite a social thing to do here. I think it helped me to socialise a little because people tend to chat (and gossip!) during cigarette breaks. I won't miss having to stand outside in the snow just to satisfy that nicotine craving though!
Well, no more cravings now!

But I guess since you went to live in The Netherlands you probably would have been a little bit more lonely if you hadn't been able to socialize while smoking, I suppose.

So was it after you went to live in The Netherlands that you first became a serious smoker, maybe? (If so, I'm sure socializing would have had a lot to do with it, really.)
 
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Well, no more cravings now!

But I guess since you went to live in The Netherlands you probably would have been a little bit more lonely if you hadn't been able to socialize while smoking, I suppose.

So was it after you went to live in The Netherlands that you first became a serious smoker, maybe? (If so, I'm sure socializing would have had a lot to do with it, really.)
No, I had quit in Jersey and I started again when I moved to the NL because it is affordable and I had issues with compulsive eating, weight gain and such things. I am sure that eating disorders and poor body image are one of the main ways that the devil works through people to keep them addicted to all sorts of destructive behaviours stemming from self-hate and insecurity.
 
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No, I had quit in Jersey and I started again when I moved to the NL because it is affordable and I had issues with compulsive eating, weight gain and such things. I am sure that eating disorders and poor body image are one of the main ways that the devil works through people to keep them addicted to all sorts of destructive behaviours stemming from self-hate and insecurity.
Sounds like you're really pleased now that you quit!

But anyway seems like for a while in The Netherlands all the inhales did improve your socializing a bit, right?
 
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Oh no, it's quite a social thing to do here. I think it helped me to socialise ...
Sarah is a good name! Yes, I guess it would have helped socialize; I did read that in Denmark an even higher proportion of women smoke than in The Netherlands, where it is already high compared with most other countries.
 
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HI

Is everyone aware, the guy (BornAgaiSteve1) that started this thread, hasn't been back on sense the day he began this thread?

Wonder if he ever quit?
Well, he did say that he hadn't been convicted to quit yet :D Maybe if we keep posting replies all the e-mail notifications will nudge him...maybe the Holy Spirit is working through us to convict him :D
 
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