Church Panic

[Alecto]

Mabe it is a sign that you should receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. He is your only real shield against demon attack.

Then again, maybe its a sign that I SHOULDNT

 

[Galadriel]

Alecto,
First off I agree with those who said that there may have been a demon with you who was very put off by being in that church. As for sheilds and stuff, demons aren't going to be put off by that, they are put off by God and His teachings which is the environment that you were in when you experienced this.

Second, about the doc thing, I very much understand. I have a thing with them too where I just don't want anyone messing with me. I mean it was actually like a phobia of them. I have gotten over this to a great degree tho very recently with God's help, and believe me I needed all the help I could get, it was a tough fear. I mean I just about couldn't set foot in an office. I had an issue tho that had to be taken care of. Thankfully its taken care of and okay. I very much understand tho your dislike of them and the environment. I too get nervous in that sterile devoid environment *shudders*. I had to have surgery because of this medical issue I had, but I was okay and wasn't really that scared which was like a miracle. I mean by all means I should have jumped up and ran out of there shrieking!

I can honestly say tho, that from my experiences, life with God in it is anything but cold and devoid and impersonal. God works on a very personal individual level, because He knows what you need and just when you need it.
I hope this may help you.

 

[Alecto]

I dont buy that NOTHING effects any sort of negativity except God. My room has runes carved into the door and I feel more at ease there than anywhere else in the house. They must be doing something.

 

[Galadriel]

I dont buy that NOTHING effects any sort of negativity except God. My room has runes carved into the door and I feel more at ease there than anywhere else in the house. They must be doing something.

Well obviously you can't be forced into any sort of beliefs. Coming from a Christian standpoint tho, it can be a false sense of security that you are receiving. Satan can appear as an angel of light, meaning he can appear as this wonderful comforter and protector, which is a lie. Keep in mind he is the father of lies. I very much think that you are being lured into a false sense of security that these runes are protecting you. Satan and his demons know just how to toy with people, and he very well may be allowing you to feel safe, when really you are not being protected by them at all, and so it drives you further from what real protection is. Satan is incredibly deceptive. I know you probably won't believe this, but this is what is most likely happening.

 

[Alecto]

Well obviously you can't be forced into any sort of beliefs. Coming from a Christian standpoint tho, it can be a false sense of security that you are receiving. Satan can appear as an angel of light, meaning he can appear as this wonderful comforter and protector, which is a lie. Keep in mind he is the father of lies. I very much think that you are being lured into a false sense of security that these runes are protecting you. Satan and his demons know just how to toy with people, and he very well may be allowing you to feel safe, when really you are not being protected by them at all, and so it drives you further from what real protection is. Satan is incredibly deceptive. I know you probably won't believe this, but this is what is most likely happening.

Belief lends power. I dont believe in Satan, he has no power over me. Belief makes reality.

 

[Galadriel]

Belief lends power. I dont believe in Satan, he has no power over me. Belief makes reality.

Interesting theory.

In 2001 my husband was in the hospital and ''believed'' he was a short man from India who seemed to be a snake charmer. Was he?

 

[talitha]

Belief makes reality????? bwahahahaha! there would be a lot of boogiemen under the beds of four-year-old children in that case......

 

[Alecto]

For all intensive purposes, there were boogymen under thier beds, they believed it to be so so thier mind made it reality in thier mind.

I do not believe in Satans power or even of his existance, his efforts to win me over would be quite frustrated as I do not believe in a centralized source of evil or wickedness in ANY form

 

[Marut]

Belief makes reality????? bwahahahaha! there would be a lot of boogiemen under the beds of four-year-old children in that case......

Please don't mock peoples ideas. I don't think Jesus would approve. That aside, I think what Alecto is aiming at is that because he does not believe in Satan, Satan does not exist for Alecto. If you believe in Satan, Talitha, then he/she does exist for you. We really don't know that boogiemen don't exist. Admittedly we don't have any real proof that they exist, but we also do not have any proof that Satan exists. The Bible may he/she exists, but that is evidence, not proof, just as books on ghost stories say boogiemen exist and that is also the same level of evidence. I don't believe in Satan. Someone else might believe in Satan. Who is right? Many people bring up the arguement of "Even if we don't believe in Gravity, it's still there," however, we could choose to say that it is something else that binds us to the earth and keeps the heavens in orbit. We could provide proof of this theory that, for example we all are tied down by invisible ropes connecting to the center of the earth, and provide scientific evidence for such a claim. Therefore, to those who believe in this theory, gravity does not exist. So if Alecto does not believe in Satan, by this logic, Satan does not exist.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

For all intensive purposes, there were boogymen under thier beds, they believed it to be so so thier mind made it reality in thier mind.

I do not believe in Satans power or even of his existance, his efforts to win me over would be quite frustrated as I do not believe in a centralized source of evil or wickedness in ANY form

The idiomatic phrase is "for all intents and purposes"

 

[Alecto]

Please don't mock peoples ideas. I don't think Jesus would approve. That aside, I think what Alecto is aiming at is that because he does not believe in Satan, Satan does not exist for Alecto. If you believe in Satan, Talitha, then he/she does exist for you. We really don't know that boogiemen don't exist. Admittedly we don't have any real proof that they exist, but we also do not have any proof that Satan exists. The Bible may he/she exists, but that is evidence, not proof, just as books on ghost stories say boogiemen exist and that is also the same level of evidence. I don't believe in Satan. Someone else might believe in Satan. Who is right? Many people bring up the arguement of "Even if we don't believe in Gravity, it's still there," however, we could choose to say that it is something else that binds us to the earth and keeps the heavens in orbit. We could provide proof of this theory that, for example we all are tied down by invisible ropes connecting to the center of the earth, and provide scientific evidence for such a claim. Therefore, to those who believe in this theory, gravity does not exist. So if Alecto does not believe in Satan, by this logic, Satan does not exist.

Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to say

 

[VickiY]

Whether one believes in the invisible rope theory, or believes in gravity, the effect of the force is the same, and its ability to affect those around it remains. Saying you do not believe in Satan does not lessen his ability (by any name) to affect you. Only Christ can drive him away, so naturally, the last place he would want to be is in a church where he can hear the Word of God being read.

 

[Alecto]

Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I believe that only those who I GIVE power, have power over me, and Satan is not one of those entities

 

[VickiY]

Excuse me, I am trying to understand your logic, as expressed in the above posts...In one, you say that only those entities that you GIVE power over you HAVE power over you, and yet you wear what you refer to as objects of protection. If you did not give power over you to those entities you wear objects of protection against, why should you think (using your own statement as above) that they can harm you or influence you without your permission...why seek "protection" of other entities?

 

[Alecto]

Who says these symbols are for protection against individuals? I do not believe in a centralized source of evil, but I do believe in a negative force, these symbols are designed to help against that

 

[talitha]

I think I shall refrain from any further comments on this thread - Alecto asked what we thought may have happened, and I and others have answered the question from some different points of view. It's now degenerated into bickering. I apologize for employing the "bwahahahaha" that I learned from those who mock me -- just because it's been done to me doesn't make it right for me to do it to others. I reject the idea that something can be "true for me" and not "true for you," and you are all free to reject the idea that truth is absolute. Probably this thread is not the right place for us all to debate that.

I apologize, Alecto.

blessings on you all in Christ
tal

 

[Gracie710]

Dear Alecto,

I totally understand what you mean about being an "empath" -- LOL, my husband doesn't understand why I get exhausted sometimes just going to the mall. It's sort of like being a sponge for other people's emotions. It doesn't necessarily mean that you are mentally ill! It just means that you are incredibly perceptive.

I am a Christian who loves Jesus very much, so please hear out my opinion and come to your own conclusions. This is offered humbly and in a spirit of love, and I believe that the Lord has led me to write this to you. God has given you a natural gift of sensitivity that He would use to make you what is called a burden bearer. I am one of these. This is when Christ gives you a gift of understanding and perceiving the emotional/spiritual woundedness of other people, and then through His spirit, you carry the burden of another person in prayer while they heal. I would imagine that you have been wounded in your own life, and so you would be the type of person who could understand the wounds that other people carry.

As for your experience in the church, the church as an edifice is not the holy ground -- the church is the Body of Christ, which are the people who make up the church. The building is simply a building where the Body meets.

The spirit world is real, and I believe that you were attacked by a demonic spirit who doesn't want to lose their territory. The Bible teaches that when we put our trust in things other than God, who is Jesus Christ, we give these demonic spirits "legal" entrance into our lives.

God created you for a purpose, and has a plan for your life. He does love you. I pray (I hope this does not offend you) that He show you His glorious face, and that in His face you see that He loves you, that He is the Truth, and that He seeks to give you freedom.

You will probably find as life goes on that your gods are harsh taskmasters. Jesus' burden is light and in Him is no darkness at all!

May God bless you.

 

[Alecto]

Gracie, you are a nice woman, but you have to understand, my experiences with God have been rather negative. I devoted my faith to him and as far as I am concerned, he failed me and I cannot trust someone who let me down when I trusted them so deeply.

You will probably find as life goes on that your gods are harsh taskmasters

The Gods have not failed me, Athena has not failed me. I have devoted myself to her and I have become stronger. She has helped me through places where I would have failed by myself. She has proven that I can trust her.

 

[Marut]

The Gods have not failed me, Athena has not failed me. I have devoted myself to her and I have become stronger. She has helped me through places where I would have failed by myself. She has proven that I can trust her.

That is really cool.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

There wasn't by any chance an amount of inscence in the air at that Church? I felt like I was going to pass out a few times at my own Church because of the type of inscence they used.

Besides that, I don't object to what others have said about a spirit uprising. Am I correct in assuming this occured when the pastor began reading aloud from the bible? If so, open up a bible and read a page just to see if you have a similar reaction. If not, I suggest attending a service at the same Church when you can. There has to be some explanation for your reaction, and maybe if you put yourself in the same situation (this time being conscious of what specifically is going on) you could figure it out.

It's a theory.