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Alecto

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Ok, Im having a few friends over. The parents are gone so its just a couple of us hanging out. One of my good friends, JJ, has been having a few home life problems. When she came over, she was quiet and reserved. A little un-usual but nothing to call 911 over. As the night went on, she seemed to get a little more upset.

I decided to walk and talk, my favorite flavor of therapy for people I care about. They recently finished a church just a few blocks down the street so I decided to pick that as a place to walk with JJ. JJ is religious, but she doesnt make it a focus of her life, shes a very laid back Christian but she feels very comfortable in chuch which was one of the reasons I decided on the church as a place to go (And they have a REALLY cool stained glass window of the four horsemen :) )

We were walking and talking like usual, we got to the church and went inside. The pastor asked us if we needed anything, I said no we just came for a place to talk. He nodded and went up to the front of the church where he had a huge bible on a podium facing the benches. We sat down in the back and kept talking as he started to read.

After a couple minnutes, I started to feel a little...uncomfortable. Kind of like how you feel when your driving and you can feel someone watching you from annother car. A few more minnutes went by and the feeling grew more and more noticeable. Like when your walking home at night and you know someone is following you. It was like a crushing prescense that I couldnt explain, but it was...cold, like ice.

It started to feel like someone was pouring sand onto my chest, just this crushing feeling. My skin started to feel cold. Whats strange is I didnt feel affraid, no fear what so ever. Youd think if you felt like that youd be affraid, but I wasnt affraid, it was more like frustration and an urge to fight back.

I started to feel dizzy. At that point I jumped up and ran outside, I couldnt shake it. Thats when I started to feel real anger, defensive anger. The anger that wells up inside you when someone wrongs you. I did the next best thing, or combination thereof, that I could think of. I took off my promise ring and the pentacle around my neck, I held them both in my hands and just focused on those two objects.

After maybe a minnute or two, the wierd feeling and the anger faded slowly. I opened my eyes and JJ was standing there with the pastor looking like they had seen blood gushing out of my eyes. I shook it off, told them both I was ok.

I walked JJ back home and....found David and Yaz trying to settle a bet about who could eat the most raw horseradishes before throwing up. (I have wierd friends)

Im not quite sure what to do or how to react. Ive done a cleansing and some shielding and I dont feel ill-at ease or nervous. Drained I guess is the best term.

JJ thought it might have been low blood sugar or just being very cold. I...dunno about that, I put away about 4 slices of pizza about an hour before I left and I had a sweatshirt and jeans on.

What do you think?
 

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Alecto,

Could you consider the possibility that your spirit guide couldn't stand being in the church? Or that there is a spirit attached to you that couldn't stand being in there? I believe that is what happened.

One time when I was in Siberia I visited the local Buddhist monastery; it's a beautiful building, and I had sort of a morbid curiosity. A group of us went together. I am a very spiritually sensitive person. The Holy Spirit in me is of course at war with the spirits in that place. There were these jars in there where people write wishes, and the monks do somethings with them. I wrote on a small piece of paper in Russian, "There is no Lord but one -- Jesus Christ," and put it in one of the jars. At that point, I began to feel violently ill, and I ran out of the building. Now, I'm not saying that you did anything provocative like I did, but what you experienced underscores the reality of the spiritual realm.

Once you become a Christian, it will become (I believe) necessary to be delivered of this spirit that caused your "panic." The anger you experienced, I believe, was the spirit's anger......

Please don't take what I say as a personal affront. Actually, I like you. :)

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Could you consider the possibility that your spirit guide couldn't stand being in the church? Or that there is a spirit attached to you that couldn't stand being in there?
Its never been an issue before. I actually like churches, the structures themselves. Its the people in them that make me nervous. I dont think thats what happend, I do not fear God and a spirit guide is in the form of an animal, Im not sure if I even have one.

There were these jars in there where people write wishes, and the monks do somethings with them. I wrote on a small piece of paper in Russian, "There is no Lord but one -- Jesus Christ," and put it in one of the jars. At that point, I began to feel violently ill, and I ran out of the building.
Perhaps it was God in you chastising you for putting the paper in there.

Once you become a Christian, it will become (I believe) necessary to be delivered of this spirit that caused your "panic." The anger you experienced, I believe, was the spirit's anger......
No, it was mine, it was instinctual and defensive anger.
 
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Hi Alecto-
This sounds a bit like something that happened to me once. I had already trusted Christ as my sinbearer. The church we attended was meeting in a school. One day we all went to see a building for sale, to pray and see if our church would want to buy it. The building belonged to a Christian cult. I wasn't comfortable there, but nothing wierd happened till I left - I immediately became deeply depressed, and it felt like (but don't believe it was) my brain was slightly shifting in my head occasionally. Wierd, huh. After a week of this, I realized I was being demon oppressed as I had been a couple of years previously, and commanded Satan and his demons to depart based on Christ's power and because He had shed his blood for me. Immediately I was fine. PTL

In the past there had been many demonic problems, like paralysis, loud buzzing from a certain part of one room, footsteps sounds when I was alone, reading people's minds (unwillingly), a particular clock would stop sometimes when I looked at it, screams in my ear, etc. To give you more background, in case you're interested, I'm enclosing a pertinent quote of mine to another person:

"I was raised in a liberal "Christian" church that taught there were mistakes in the Bible. I swallowed it whole, never asking them to show me the mistakes so I could check them out for myself. Instead, I became an atheist for about 12 years. Then I made the mistake of playing the Ouija Board, and became demon oppressed. I quickly realized the reality of the supernatural world. More than that, I would pray when the strange things would happen, and they would immediately stop for a time. That proved to me that there had to be a good supernatural being who had dominance over the evil.

"As I was terrified, I started searching various religions to see where the truth was. The puzzle pieces finally fell into place when I read The Late Great Planet Earth, a book on Christian Evidences about Biblical prophecy. It showed that past prophecies had been fulfilled 100% of the time, and convinced me there had to be a God guiding the writing of the Bible. There was a Gospel invitation in the book, and I accepted Christ as my sinbearer at that point.

"I have been saved for 33 years now and, Welgaia, it just gets better with time. The God of the Bible has never, ever let me down.

(next I'm quoting my info on salvation, supposing that you have already trusted in Christ as your sinbearer, but maybe some of your friends haven't)
"I have come to realize that Christianity is a relationship, not a religion. It is unique - we do not obtain Heaven by our own good works. Salvation is based on Christ's goodness, not our own. We receive eternal life when we make the decision to trust in Christ alone to pay for all our sins on the cross, (past present and future), and trust in Him to take us to Heaven one day, without any good works of our own. (Rom. 3:23, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-9, I Peter 3:15, and John 3:16). The Bible says also that we cannot lose our salvation (see "gift" in Romans 6:23 and Romans 11:29 and also John 10:28-29 - we can't even take ourselves out of God's hand). "

As the Bible says to Christians, "Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
May God bless you and protect you and your friends.
Aloha in Jesus
 
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Alecto, I honestly don't think it was God's presence. There are two basic kinds of feelings when we experience God's presence -- several manifestations, but two kinds of feelings: love and conviction. Love because God is love, and conviction because God is holy and we are not. What you experienced drove you out of the house of God; if it were of God, it would draw you in. If the pentacle from 'round your neck made you feel better, then wouldn't you say that there were spirits that were reassured that you were clinging to them rather than to God? I don't want to make you angry, Alecto. I just want to help you to see what is going on. It's your choice, of course, which spirits you serve.

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I don't think it was God's presence at all. I do believe in the supernatural existance of demons and angels and it sounds like to me that you had an experience of a demonic nature. Surely the Holy Spirit which is Love beyond what we can comprehend (and yes, convinction too) would not make you feel the way you did.
 
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The pentacle is a symbol of protection, its also a very personal symbol to me. Also, my being an empath requires some form of protective shielding if I go out in public otherwise its hard to function. Those combined should have been enough to keep any centralized or focused negativity away, it always has in the past, I dont see why it wouldnt now.
 
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Alecto said:
The pentacle is a symbol of protection, its also a very personal symbol to me. Also, my being an empath requires some form of protective shielding if I go out in public otherwise its hard to function. Those combined should have been enough to keep any centralized or focused negativity away, it always has in the past, I dont see why it wouldnt now.

Hmmmmmmm....sounds like it wasn't "a hundred percent" for you.
Can you think of a reason why that might be?
 
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Suzannah said:
Hmmmmmmm....sounds like it wasn't "a hundred percent" for you.
Can you think of a reason why that might be?
Well, even the strongest castle walls can be breached by the right army. Nothing immedieately comes to mind. Im not real experienced with shielding, but I do know how to keep a strong shield up and going every time Im out in public.

It may have been the fact that I was tired or focused on JJ
 
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No offense to you personally, but I think a demon was involved. By your icon I see that you are wiccan, and Christians believe that occult religions such as that one are powered by demons. So it was either a demon inside of you negatively reacting to such a holy place, or perhaps a demon was trying to "punish" you for going in there, trying to widen the wedge between you and God.
 
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twistedsketch said:
No offense to you personally, but I think a demon was involved. By your icon I see that you are wiccan, and Christians believe that occult religions such as that one are powered by demons. So it was either a demon inside of you negatively reacting to such a holy place, or perhaps a demon was trying to "punish" you for going in there, trying to widen the wedge between you and God.
Im affraid I must disagree with you. I do not believe such entities as demons exist. I dont believe in collective evil. I believe we make evil in our own hearts. I have never had negative reactions to a chuch before. Had negative reactions to people IN them, but never to the building itself
 
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twistedsketch said:
Well, you don't have to believe in them for them to exist, and they're not the kind of creatures that ask your permission to do whatever they do.
You dont believe in the Gods I worship, that doesnt mean they dont exist. The Gods would protect me from such things if they existed.

Besides, if it was something trying to drive me away from God's embrace then they did me a favor, if that was God's embrace... **Shudders** That was the most cold and lifeless feeling I could have immagined.

Excuse me for trying to engage in sincere discussion with you on this matter. I was under the impression you were looking for input.
Im sorry if that came off as biting or sarcastic, but its true. Im not LOOKING for the word of God nor do I want it so I dont see why something would want to do something that I already do
 
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Alecto said:
Besides, if it was something trying to drive me away from God's embrace then they did me a favor, if that was God's embrace... **Shudders** That was the most cold and lifeless feeling I could have immagined.
That would not have been God's embrace then - a demon would have supplied that feeling, and you would think it is God's embrace, making you think He is some kind of evil monster. Such would be in line with the devil's goal of keeping people away from God. He doesn't care how he does it, as long as people are kept away from believing in Jesus.

Alecto said:
You dont believe in the Gods I worship, that doesnt mean they dont exist. The Gods would protect me from such things if they existed.
Could they have possibly done this to you?
 
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