Christians Only : your evidence please

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Think of Philosophy as the upper hierarchy of the Physical Sciences, maybe.

You do, maybe

 

[Archie the Preacher]

No one actually makes this claim. It's the YEC set that somehow comes to this conclusion.

The book The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow (and sitting on my desk at the moment) concludes and asserts discoveries in science - not only biological sciences or 'evolution' - make God 'irrelevant' and therefore non-existant. I do not concur, although I very much appreciate Dr. Hawking's work.

And others - excluding the YEC faction - agree with the sentiment.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just to clarify : Moses writes about the creation of the first man, then creates the first woman from the man --- no details about human evolution and our distant cousins

Affirmative.

And just to clarify, I believe Adam wrote the original account.

This means Moses, when he copied it, gave his assent to its veracity.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Ouch! I've been pointing your reaction - in theory - to many who cling to YEC because their parents or some 'preacher' told them to do so if they want to go to Heaven. I hope I can help.

....

Thank you for your reply
I only got drawn into it much later on, but it certainly had nothing to do with my decision to stop living a lie

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Affirmative.

And just to clarify, I believe Adam wrote the original account.

This means Moses, when he copied it, gave his assent to its veracity.

You do? Really? Really? Okay - how did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[AV1611VET]

I only got drawn into it much later on, but it certainly had nothing to do with my decision to stop living a lie

You gave up all this:

Hebews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... to embrace evolution?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Thank you for your reply
I only got drawn into it much later on, but it certainly had nothing to do with my decision to stop living a lie

What does living a lie have to do with creation or evolution? We have firmly established that one can be a Christian and believe in evolution.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

... don't both Paul and Jesus accept the writings of Moses with respect to the creation of man?

Not really. My position is argument, but I think defensible.

Paul probably did understand Creation as a seven day event. It was the standard accepted 'understanding' at the time. Paul, being an educated man of the 1st Century, knew about as much as other well educated men of the era. Paul believed in 'good faith'.

(I sometimes wonder what humans will think of our knowledge in another millennia or so.)

Jesus, as God, knew better. But to bring up the matter would require a major explanation and some amount of time. The difference between the YEC belief and a longer time process is not important for salvation, or for accepting the Lordship of Jesus. So I think Jesus simply refrained from making a side show of it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You do? Really? Really? Okay - how did you arrive at that conclusion?

By reading the Tablet Theory.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

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I see no conflict. Just as I don't see a conflict between Jesus and gravitational theory, even though Genesis 1:17, if taken literally, contradicts gravitational theory.

-Papias

How do you explain the account of the creation of man ( as in the Bible ), over against the ideas expressed by Evolution ?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Not really. My position is argument, but I think defensible.

Paul probably did understand Creation as a seven day event. It was the standard accepted 'understanding' at the time. Paul, being an educated man of the 1st Century, knew about as much as other well educated men of the era. Paul believed in 'good faith'.

(I sometimes wonder what humans will think of our knowledge in another millennia or so.)

Jesus, as God, knew better. But to bring up the matter would require a major explanation and some amount of time. The difference between the YEC belief and a longer time process is not important for salvation, or for accepting the Lordship of Jesus. So I think Jesus simply refrained from making a side show of it.

Isn't that a bit of a dodge
Jesus has one man one woman as the first

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

By reading the Tablet Theory.

What?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

What does living a lie have to do with creation or evolution? We have firmly established that one can be a Christian and believe in evolution.

We? Well, how about that?

I was talking to Archie
shhh

 

[AV1611VET]

What?

The Tablet Theory.

You know ... the Wiseman Hypothesis?

The Wiseman hypothesis, sometimes called the tablet theory, is a theory of the authorship and composition of the Book of Genesis which suggests that Moses compiled Genesis from tablets handed down through Abraham and the other patriarchs.

SOURCE

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The Tablet Theory.

You know ... the Wiseman Hypothesis?

Nope

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope

Well now you do.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

You gave up all this:

Hebews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... to embrace evolution?

Nope

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope

Did you have them in the first place?

I assume the answer is YES.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Well now you do.

It's Wikipedia son
It was an oral culture but from what I recall, they were either written by Moses or by a guy called Moses

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Did you have them in the first place?

What?