Christians do not "own" morality

[bhsmte]

There's a big difference between murder and justified killing. Read the book of Enoch if you are curious as to why God felt it necessary to kill people.

An all powerful God, could not have figured out another way, he had to kill part of his creation, that he knew ahead of time would do everything they did?

 

[Ruthie24]

Does someone die in the end? Stop with the semantics.

There's nothing semantic about it. There's such a thing as justified killing. Read the history in the book of Enoch. I asked myself these questions to until I did the research on ancient texts. There are reasons why God felt a group of people who were so evil needed to be killed.

 

[bhsmte]

There's nothing semantic about it. There's such a thing as justified killing. Read the history in the book of Enoch. I asked myself these questions to until I did the research on ancient texts. There are reasons why God felt a group of people who were so evil needed to be killed.

Why can't an all powerful God who loves all his creation figure out another way then to justify killings? What kind of example do you believe this sets for mankind? I know what the example is; figure out a way to justify it and it is ok to kill.

God knew his creation was flawed and would do the things that he deemed were justified to kill, correct? Does this sit well with you?

 

[Ruthie24]

An all powerful God, could not have figured out another way, he had to kill part of his creation, that he knew ahead of time would do everything they did?

There is a phrase that goes something like this:

If you don't understand or know the past you will be doomed to repeat it.

There is also another:

Sins of the fathers are repeated or inherited by their sons (something like that).

I'm saying there is an ancient historical backdrop that has been carefully concealed from people and it can be found in ancient texts if you take the time to search and drop your own understanding. There is a reason why God does the things he does.

As in the days of Noah...

 

[bhsmte]

There is a phrase that goes something like this:

If you don't understand or know the past you will be doomed to repeat it.

There is also another:

Sins of the fathers are repeated or inherited by their sons (something like that).

I'm saying there is an ancient historical backdrop that has been carefully concealed from people and it can be found in ancient texts if you take the time to search and drop your own understanding. There is a reason why God does the things he does.

As in the days of Noah...

Please read my questions, this does not address what I asked.

 

[Syd the Human]

There's nothing semantic about it. There's such a thing as justified killing. Read the history in the book of Enoch. I asked myself these questions to until I did the research on ancient texts. There are reasons why God felt a group of people who were so evil needed to be killed.

So it is okay to take another person's life?

 

[bhsmte]

So it is okay to take another person's life?

She refuses to address the core issue here:

-God justifies the killing of his own creation
-God knows his creation was flawed and would act as they do
-An all powerful God could not have figured out another way?

All we get is, there are ancient texts which explain this. Why would an all powerful God need ancient text to justify killing his creation, when he is capable of doing anything he wants?

 

[Sunshine Locket]

This thread, or some variation of it, has been made at least hundreds of times now, just FYI.

True. But when has that stopped anyone?

 

[Ruthie24]

So it is okay to take another person's life?

Syd: there is a difference between justified killing and homicide. If someone is trying to attack and rape you or in the process of doing such yes it is justified to kill them. If someone is walking down the street and you decide to pull the trigger because you want to watch someone die, that is murder. You have to look at how killing and murder is explained in the Bible. It's the same with how could God allow certain groups of people to die. It's explained from the very inception in Enoch.

 

[bhsmte]

Syd: there is a difference between justified killing and homicide. If someone is trying to attack and rape you or in the process of doing such yes it is justified to kill them. If someone is walking down the street and you decide to pull the trigger because you want to watch someone die, that is murder. You have to look at how killing and murder is explained in the Bible. It's the same with how could God allow certain groups of people to die. It's explained from the very inception in Enoch.

Certainly true for humans, but you would think God could figure out a different way to handle his own creation.

Please address the questions I asked in a previous post.

 

[Syd the Human]

Syd: there is a difference between justified killing and homicide. If someone is trying to attack and rape you or in the process of doing such yes it is justified to kill them. If someone is walking down the street and you decide to pull the trigger because you want to watch someone die, that is murder. You have to look at how killing and murder is explained in the Bible. It's the same with how could God allow certain groups of people to die. It's explained from the very inception in Enoch.

So god just randomly gives up on certain groups of people?

"Well guys you are beyond even my help. I know that I am supposed to be able to do anything and love all of you equally but...that would be too much of a hassle. I mean, come on now, you don't expect me to try and help you become better right? Too much work and too much time (even though I am all powerful and outside of time). I will just have these people kill you all off since I can't be bothered. Even though I knew from the beginning that this would happen, you were basically born to be murdered for being evil which everyone is technically but you're more evil so it's okay."

I could go on, but I am too lazy...like a certain god is (if it is the correct one).

 

[bhsmte]

So god just randomly gives up on certain groups of people?

"Well guys you are beyond even my help. I know that I am supposed to be able to do anything and love all of you equally but...that would be too much of a hassle. I mean, come on now, you don't expect me to try and help you become better right? Too much work and too much time (even though I am all powerful and outside of time). I will just have these people kill you all off since I can't be bothered. Even though I knew from the beginning that this would happen, you were basically born to be murdered for being evil which everyone is technically but you're more evil so it's okay."

I could go on, but I am too lazy...like a certain god is (if it is the correct one).

This is just one of the parts of the Christian story that can not be reconciled with the Christian description of God.

You would think God would want to set a positive example for mankind and show killing is not necessary, but no, if it can be justified we are good with killing and I wonder what that tells mankind?

 

[Ruthie24]

She refuses to address the core issue here:

-God justifies the killing of his own creation
-God knows his creation was flawed and would act as they do
-An all powerful God could not have figured out another way?

All we get is, there are ancient texts which explain this. Why would an all powerful God need ancient text to justify killing his creation, when he is capable of doing anything he wants?

I'm not an expert scholar that's why I keep pointing out resources for you to read for further understanding.

The concept of free will is a constant theme throughout the Bible. God does override this very fundamental concept. If you don't understand free will you won't understand why God doesn't stop people from committing evil.

 

[Syd the Human]

I'm not an expert scholar that's why I keep pointing out resources for you to read for further understanding.

The concept of free will is a constant theme throughout the Bible. God does override this very fundamental concept. If you don't understand free will you won't understand why God doesn't stop people from committing evil.

He did stop them. He sent an army to murder them all. I mean, that has to be the most final way to stop a person from doing anything.

 

[Ruthie24]

He did stop them. He sent an army to murder them all. I mean, that has to be the most final way to stop a person from doing anything.

Syd: again there is a difference between killing and murder. If you read the book of Enoch it explains everything. You can also read anything from Dr. Michael Heiser, Tom Horn, Steven Quayle, Douglas Hamp, and Dr. Chuck Missler.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm not an expert scholar that's why I keep pointing out resources for you to read for further understanding.

The concept of free will is a constant theme throughout the Bible. God does override this very fundamental concept. If you don't understand free will you won't understand why God doesn't stop people from committing evil.

It isn't about human free will, it has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with this, which you fail to address:

-an all powerful God created imperfect humans he knew ahead of time would sin
-an all powerful God that supposedly loves all his creation
-an all powerful God that needs to justify killing his creation
-an all powerful God that chooses to not find another path besides killing
-an all powerful God who apparently is not aware of the example he is setting by justifying killing

This has zero to do with human free will and everything to do with the Christian description of God and what he does or does not do.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Syd: again there is a difference between killing and murder. If you read the book of Enoch it explains everything. You can also read anything from Dr. Michael Heiser, Tom Horn, Steven Quayle, Douglas Hamp, and Dr. Chuck Missler.

There is not a difference when an all powerful being is capable of making the act unnecessary without violence.

 

[Ruthie24]

It isn't about human free will, it has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with this, which you fail to address:

-an all powerful God created imperfect humans he knew ahead of time would sin
-an all powerful God that supposedly loves all his creation
-an all powerful God that needs to justify killing his creation
-an all powerful God that chooses to not find another path besides killing
-an all powerful God who apparently is not aware of the example he is setting by justifying killing

This has zero to do with human free will and everything to do with the Christian description of God and what he does or does not do.

He did not create imperfect human beings. At one time we were perfect. We fell from God when we chose to make a pact with the the fallen angels in the garden so we could take the forbidden fruit (divine knowledge) and corrupt it so we could be AS God. If you don't understand how free will plays out you won't understand the very basics of unconditional love.

 

[Gadarene]

He did not create imperfect human beings. At one time we were perfect. We fell from God when we chose to make a pact with the the fallen angels in the garden so we could take the forbidden fruit (divine knowledge) and corrupt it so we could be AS God. If you don't understand how free will plays out you won't understand the very basics of unconditional love.

He created us knowing we would make that choice - and yet it's still asserted we have free will in that situation.

There was apparently nothing stopping him from creating people who chose not to sin and left the fruit alone.

His plan is utterly wasteful and nonsensical.

 

[Ruthie24]

He created us knowing we would make that choice - and yet it's still asserted we have free will in that situation.

There was apparently nothing stopping him from creating people who chose not to sin and left the fruit alone.

His plan is utterly wasteful and nonsensical.

He created us all, even the angels knowing we have free will to choose good or evil. He gave all of his created beings that choice. Just because he can foresee the future does not mean that he can interfere with free will, otherwise he would go against the very concept of unconditional love which is the essence of God.