Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[holo]

I think that "rightly dividing" Scripture becomes a little dicey during and shortly after the Incarnation. While on earth, Jesus apparently gave women "divorce" rights equal to those of men (Mark 10:12), thereby altering OT Law. He directly overturned the food laws, at least according to Mark's parenthetical comment in 7:19. He said a time was coming, and in fact had already arrived, when people would worship in "Spirit and truth."

I don't think you're saying we should ignore all Jesus taught because He taught under a different covenant, but I want to make sure.

I don't think we should ignore anything, but when we read it, we need to know who is speaking and who is being spoken to, and the setting it was spoken in. Jesus had a lot to say about how to keep the laws, but we need to see that in light of the fact that we aren't under the law. Jesus demonstrated the righteousness of God, and while we are to "imitate" Him, we aren't supposed to live as if we are under the law.

I believe that even though this was the old covenant and even though people were under the law, they were still saved by simple faith. But even much more now, in the new covenant.

I don't have any complete "manual" on how to "properly divide" every single piece of scripture, but my main "rule" is that we must read it all in light of the gospel entrusted to Paul - even the words of Jesus. Or else we get it all wrong. For example, millions of christians are suffering under the false idea that they are sinners instead of saints.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

...................I don't have any complete "manual" on how to "properly divide" every single piece of scripture, but my main "rule" is that we must read it all in light of the gospel entrusted to Paul - even the words of Jesus. Or else we get it all wrong. For example, millions of christians are suffering under the false idea that they are sinners instead of saints.

And Paul didn't "run away" like Jonah did when told to preach to the Ninevites

[you must spread some reputation around before giving it to holo again!]

Jonah 3:1 And a word of YHWH is becoming unto Jonah, a second-time, to say, 2 `Rise! go! to Niyn@veh, the city, the great and call to her, the call which I am speaking to thee;'

Acts 9:15 Said yet toward him, the Lord , `Be you going!, that a vessel of choice is to Me this one, of the to bear the Name of Me in sight of nations and kings--sons besides of Israel;

 

[visionary]

Abraham Heschel had an interesting perspective once. In his book merely titled "The Sabbath", he declares that we are finite beings. We exist in space and time. HaShem requires a throne in both. In the same way that the temple is His throne in space, the Sabbath is His throne in time.

According to Strong’s Concordance, shaba is the Hebrew term for oath. Sheba is the term for seven and saba is the term for fulfillment. They are spelled exactly the same and vary only in pronunciation. This would indicate a relationship between those three words: (shaba) oath, (sheba) seven and (saba) fulfillment.



S# 7646 saba: satisfy, fill, full, plenty, satiate
S# 7650 shaba: sware, charge, oath
S# 7651 sheba: seven

The tri-literal root (Shin - Bet - Ayin) therefore carries three fundamental meanings:
1) Seven
2) Full/Complete
3) Oath/Sware.
These three ideas are found associated throughout the Bible. For example, the reason for seven angels with seven final plagues is explained in terms of fullness in Revelation 15.1:
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

The TAV is last letter of the Hebrew Alef-Bet and the WORD TAV mean "mark" and by implication, signature. In Ezekiel 9, there is a reference made to a mark being placed on the forehead of the Father's chosen. If you look at Strong's, the word in Hebrew is TAV. This same theme is found in Revelation 7. In the early Hebrew, before the captivity, The TAV look just like a CROSS.

Interestingly enough, there are many words in Hebrew that when ended in a TAV, the suffix changes the meaning to the "mark" of the original word. For instance, the tri-literal root (Shin - Bet - Ayin) when you substitute the Ayin with a TAV, it becomes Shin - Bet - Tav or shabbat. Another way of looking at it would be: the fulfillment of His oath is marked by the seventh day.

Exo 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Shabbat is the one day [7th day] of a week that G-d gives us to put all other things in our life on hold. It is the day that he says he will meet with us we are to give G-d our undivided attention on that day.

 

[New_Wineskin]

Once again , deliberately spitting on the parts of the Scriptures not in line with man-made doctrine .


Passage with context :

12 Then the LORD said to Moses, 13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. [a]

14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. 15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.' " 18 When the LORD finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.(NIV)

 

[tulc]

Once again , deliberately spitting on the parts of the Scriptures not in line with man-made doctrine .


Passage with context :

12 Then the LORD said to Moses, 13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. [a]

14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. 15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.' " 18 When the LORD finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.(NIV)

uhmmm was this part necessary?

Once again , deliberately spitting on the parts of the Scriptures not in line with man-made doctrine

That seemed a little...judging? All of us tend to use the parts Scriptures that support our views, it's part of what makes us people, that doesn't mean we have to imply evil intent on our brothers and sisters part. It's hard to not offend sometimes especially on those things we or others hold very dear, but if we can avoid it that would be a good thing. Don't you think a slightly more loving way of prefacing your Scriptures would have worked better?
tulc(not rebuking here, just offering a little brotherly admonition)

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

Used to work with a Saturday Sabbath observer. He used to tell me that it wasn't his place to judge me for worshipping on Sunday. But then he would tell me I was not living in full obedience. When asked if he thought I would make it to heaven his eyes got wide and his shoulders shrugged. So obviously this issue is made to be larger than life to many who adhere to it.

Go Cards!

 

[visionary]

Barnabas was a good companion of Paul's. He also wrote an epistle. Epistle of Barnabas (70-135 CE)
The Epistle of Barnabas is a theological tract (not an epistle) that discusses questions that have confronted the followers of Jesus since the earliest days of his ministry: How ought Christians to interpret the Jewish Scriptures? What is the nature of the relationship between Christianity and Judaism?

The text has been reconstructed on the basis of the following witnesses:

codex Sinaiticus, 4th. c. (Greek)
codex Hierosolymitanus 1056 CE (Greek)
9 late related MSS (Greek)
a papyrus fragment of 9.1-6 (Greek)
translation of chapters 1-17 only (Latin)



The Epistle of Barnabas Chapter 13
[1] Furthermore it is written concerning the sabbath, in the Ten Commandments, which God spake in the Mount Sinai to Moses, face to face; Sanctify the sabbath of the Lord with pure hands, and with a clean heart.

[2] And elsewhere he saith; If thy children shall keep my sabbaths, then will I put my mercy upon them.

[3] And even in the beginning of the creation he makes mention of the sabbath. And God made in six days the works of his hands; and he finished them on the seventh day, and he rested the seventh day, and sanctified it.

[4] Consider, my children, what that signifies, he finished them in six days. The meaning of it is this; that in six thousand years the Lord God will bring all things to an end.

[5] For with him one day is a thousand years; as himself testifieth, saying, Behold this day shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is, in six thousands years, shall all things be accomplished.

[6] And what is that he saith, And he rested the seventh day; he meaneth this; that when his Son shall come, and abolish the season of the Wicked One, and judge the ungodly; and shall change the sun and the moon, and the stars; then he shall gloriously rest in the seventh day.

[7] He adds lastly; Thou shalt sanctify it with clean hands and a pure heart. Wherefore we are greatly deceived if we imagine that any one can now sanctify that day which God has made holy, without having a heart pure in all things.

[8] Behold therefore he will then truly sanctify it with blessed rest, when we (having received the righteous promise, when iniquity shall be no more, all things being renewed by the Lord) shall be able to sanctify it, being ourselves first made holy.

[9] Lastly, he saith unto them; Your new moons and your sabbaths I cannot bear them. Consider what he means by it; the sabbaths, says he, which ye now keep are not acceptable unto me, but those which I have made; when resting from all things I shall begin the eight day, that is, the beginning of the other world.

[10] For which cause we observe the eighth day with gladness, in which Jesus rose from the dead; and having manifested himself to his disciples, ascended into heaven.

[11] It remains yet that I speak to you concerning the temple how these miserable men being deceived have put their trust in the house, and not in God himself who made them, as if it (the temple) was the habitation of God.

[12] For much after the same manner as the Gentiles, they consecrated him (God) in the temple.

[13] But learn therefore how the Lord speaketh, rendering the temple vain: Who has measured the heaven with a span, and the earth hand? Is it not I? Thus saith the Lord, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What is the house that ye will build me? Or what is the place of my rest? Know therefore that all their hope is in vain.

[14] And again he speaketh after this manner: Behold they that destroy this temple, even they shall again build it up. And so it came to pass; for through their wars it is now destroyed by their enemies; and the servants of their enemies built it up.

[15] Futhermore it has been made manifest, how both the city and the temple, and the people of Israel should be given up. For the Scripture saith; And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the Lord will deliver up the sheep of his pasture, and their fold, and their tower into destruction. and it is come to pass, as the Lord hath spoken.

[16] Let us inquire therefore, whether there be any temple of God? Yes there is; and that there, where himself declares that he would both make and perfect it. For it is written; And it shall be that as soon as the week shall be completed, the temple of the Lord shall be gloriously built in the name of the Lord.

[17] I find therefore that there is a temple. But how shall it be built in the name of the Lord? I will show you.

[18] Before we believed in God, the habitation of our heart was corruptible, and feeble, as a temple truly built with hands.

[19] For it was a house full of devils, inasmuch as there was done in it whatsoever was contrary unto God. But it shall be built in the name of the Lord.

[20] Consider, how that the temple of the Lord shall be very gloriously built; and by what means that shall be, learn.

[21] Having received remission of our sins, and trusting in the name of the Lord, we become renewed, being again created as it were from the beginning. Wherefore God truly dwells in our house, that is, in us.

[22] But how does he dwell in us? The word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of his righteous judgements, the commands of his doctrine; he himself prophesies within us, he himself dwelleth in us, and openeth to us who were in bondage of death the gate of our temple, that is, the mouth of wisdom, having given repentance unto us; and by this means has brought us to be an incorruptible temple.

[23] He therfore that desires to be saved looketh not unto the man, but unto him that dwelleth in him, and speaketh by him; being struck with wonder, foreasmuch as he never either heard him speaking such words out of his mouth, nor ever desired to hear them.

[24] This is that spiritual temple that is built unto the Lord.

 

[tulc]

Been here?
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/barnabas.html
tulc(likes those early Fathers)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

[5] For with him one day is a thousand years; as himself testifieth, saying, Behold this day shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is, in six thousands years, shall all things be accomplished.

This sounds like something a YEC would write. Is this assuming the earth is only about 6000yrs old? I would toss this verse out in a NY Minute and no wonder it wasn't canonized.

 

[visionary]

This sounds like something a YEC would write. Is this assuming the earth is only about 6000yrs old? I would toss this verse out in a NY Minute and no wonder it wasn't canonized.

It is a common Jewish understanding.

 

[New_Wineskin]

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uhmmm was this part necessary?

Once again , deliberately spitting on the parts of the Scriptures not in line with man-made doctrine
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Absolutely . They deliberately , took a passage from context and damne those that didn't obey it . Yet , the context shows that they don't obey the command , Their whole argument is that all who don't observe the Sabbath are not obeying the Scriptures . Their reply to anyone else who did that would have been the same . I was speaking their language for the best communication .


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That seemed a little...judging?

no judgeing at all . It was looking at the evidence and applying it . Now , what you did was judging . But , that is fine .


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All of us tend to use the parts Scriptures that support our views, it's part of what makes us people, that doesn't mean we have to imply evil intent on our brothers and sisters part.

Yes , it does - when one does what the above poster did . When you know that context would through your argument out the window and so not even quote a whole sentence , that is the very definition of deception - lies .


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It's hard to not offend sometimes especially on those things we or others hold very dear, but if we can avoid it that would be a good thing.

When someone is damning all who don't agree with them for not observing something that they themselves refuse to do , that is hypocracy and an intent to mislead . The whole thread is meant to offend .


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Don't you think a slightly more loving way of prefacing your Scriptures would have worked better?
tulc(not rebuking here, just offering a little brotherly admonition)

Jesus was quite direct when hypocrites would lie about the Law to enslave others . This thread is attacking those that don't agree . They don't offer it as a choice that doesn't matter - but a command for obtaining salvation . These people only know how to "discuss" by attacking . To communicate , one must speak the language of your audience .

These people don't mind that type of language . They relish it .

 

[holo]

Exo 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Sure, but how and why do you figure that applies to gentiles today, in a completely different covenant?

 

[tulc]

uhmmm was this part necessary?

"Once again , deliberately spitting on the parts of the Scriptures not in line with man-made doctrine"​

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Absolutely . They deliberately , took a passage from context and damne those that didn't obey it . Yet , the context shows that they don't obey the command , Their whole argument is that all who don't observe the Sabbath are not obeying the Scriptures . Their reply to anyone else who did that would have been the same . I was speaking their language for the best communication .

uhmmm my problem wasn't the point you made, more the somewhat accusatory tone you seemed to be using.

That seemed a little...judging?

no judgeing at all . It was looking at the evidence and applying it . Now , what you did was judging . But , that is fine .

I apologize if I sounded like I was judging, that wasn't my intention.

All of us tend to use the parts Scriptures that support our views, it's part of what makes us people, that doesn't mean we have to imply evil intent on our brothers and sisters part.

Yes , it does - when one does what the above poster did . When you know that context would through your argument out the window and so not even quote a whole sentence , that is the very definition of deception - lies .

I understand that, and again my problem wasn't with content, just again with tone. I have to say most of us will occasionally fudge on Scriptures in order to bolster our argument, but wouldn't just adding the context for it with an admonition of say "hey, you seemed to have left this part out!" make your point and not ratcheted up the rhetoric?

It's hard to not offend sometimes especially on those things we or others hold very dear, but if we can avoid it that would be a good thing.

When someone is damning all who don't agree with them for not observing something that they themselves refuse to do , that is hypocracy and an intent to mislead . The whole thread is meant to offend .

uhmmm I ok, I see it more as only one of a bunch of threads that are meant to get peoples opinion out there and start a discussion. But that's just two peoples opinions.

Don't you think a slightly more loving way of prefacing your Scriptures would have worked better?
tulc(not rebuking here, just offering a little brotherly admonition)

Jesus was quite direct when hypocrites would lie about the Law to enslave others . This thread is attacking those that don't agree . They don't offer it as a choice that doesn't matter - but a command for obtaining salvation . These people only know how to "discuss" by attacking . To communicate , one must speak the language of your audience .

Really? I've often thought it was better to be a thermostat then a thermometer. When people start getting cranky instead of jumping on the "fist flying wagon" you don't think it is better to be more loving and humble? See it just the people posting in these threads that are reading it's also a lot of people trying to understand what people believe and why. They might even join in if they weren't afraid they might get a "boot to the head" for sharing an opinion differing from someone else. When we ratchet up the vitriol on these threads it makes it uncomfortable for people who have honest questions to be able to find the answers they're looking for. See what mean?

These people don't mind that type of language . They relish it .

...I don't know anyone who likes to be accused of spitting on the Bible and trying to get people damned.
tulc(pouring some more coffee right...now!)

 

[New_Wineskin]

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I apologize if I sounded like I was judging, that wasn't my intention.

I wrote that it was fine .


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uhmmm my problem wasn't the point you made, more the somewhat accusatory tone you seemed to be using.

I understand that, and again my problem wasn't with content, just again with tone. I have to say most of us will occasionally fudge on Scriptures in order to bolster our argument, but wouldn't just adding the context for it with an admonition of say "hey, you seemed to have left this part out!" make your point and not ratcheted up the rhetoric?


Really? I've often thought it was better to be a thermostat then a thermometer. When people start getting cranky instead of jumping on the "fist flying wagon" you don't think it is better to be more loving and humble? See it just the people posting in these threads that are reading it's also a lot of people trying to understand what people believe and why. They might even join in if they weren't afraid they might get a "boot to the head" for sharing an opinion differing from someone else. When we ratchet up the vitriol on these threads it makes it uncomfortable for people who have honest questions to be able to find the answers they're looking for. See what mean?

I understood what you were saying . I am surprised that you don't see what is going on . Ok , I don't give the Scriptures the authority and the value that most christians *claim* they have . So , I watch when they deliberately twist the thing that they worship to manipulate people . You downplay this as "fudging" . These people would get all over someone if they misquoted the Scriptures - they *claim* to be looking for the truth - they damn you for not agreeing with their doctrine . There is nothing good .

This is evil intent . They want you to believe something and twist what they think is important to *you* to make you change your mindset . They have no desire for your betterment . This isn't simply , " I like to observe the Sabbath , won't you give it a try ?" . This is , christians "desecrating" the Sabbath ( thread title ) . They quote a passage that says , in context , that such people are to be cut off from the kingdom and put to death . They aren't looking for alternative ideas . They have made the accusations in the thread title . They threw the punch before the opening post .



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...I don't know anyone who likes to be accused of spitting on the Bible and trying to get people damned.
tulc(pouring some more coffee right...now!)

They like to think that they are being persecuted for the sake of the "gospel" .

 

[PROPHECYKID]

These people would get all over someone if they misquoted the Scriptures - they *claim* to be looking for the truth - they damn you for not agreeing with their doctrine .

I am trying to see when I did that. I cant see it because I did not. Your tone throughout this thread has been one of condemnation to all Sabbath keepers.
You condemn us of being hypocrites, teaching salvation by works and damning all who disagree with our belief. On many occasions I have requested that you stop being so negative because most of us are not the horrible persons that you make us out to be. Despite my request you never replied to any of my posts directed to you and you continue to accuse any Sabbath keeper posting here even if you know nothing about them. I have not condemned anyone in here. You are by far the most hostile poster in this thread condemning everyone who upkeeps Sabbath keeping, accusing us of being hypocrites and all sorts of bad stuff. Where has anyone said anything bad about you or anyone else posting here? Why all the hostility towards us? What did we do and what proof do you have that we did it?

 

[WailingWall]

Honestly, I wonder about this sometimes. In regard to Judaistic legalism, Paul warned of being "fallen from grace" and "cut off" from Christ. That doesn't sound very "saved" to me.

Dear NorrinRadd

Galatians 5:2-4
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. [3] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. [4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

I believe the above scripture is the one you refer to. Read what it says. Its obviously talkin bout the law of circumscism. And although that law has been done away with. The 10 commandments are to be kept

1 Cor. 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

[WailingWall]

Am i a legalist?

Your not a legalist as i understand what they claim a legalist is. You do know that no matter how well you obey God and practice to keep His commandments you can never be saved by those works. Its only through His grace you are saved. However you will not recieve this free gift of grace if you have not been to the SchoolMaster, according to the new testament.

 

[WailingWall]

I dont believe we should get angry at anyone here. The anger comes from seeing scripture thats contrary to what theyve been taught. Id be angry to. The below scripture talks of being SAVED. There is only one way to be saved for Jew and Gentile (the main arguement for those who practice lawlessness). Ahh...right?

Isaiah 30 A prophecy fulfilled

ISAIAH 30 [8] Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: [9] That this is A REBELLIOUS PEOPLE, lying children, children THAT WILL NOT HEAR THE LAW OF THE LORD: [10] WHICH SAY to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, SPEAK UNTO US SMOOTH THINGS, prophesy deceits: 11] Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. [12] Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: [13] Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. [14] And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit. [15] FOR THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; IN RETURNING AND REST SHALL YE BE SAVED; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: AND YE WOULD NOT.

There have come along those who claim there is no law at all. They will even post a few scriptural one liners which are talking of the law of circumcision and claim the scripture is talking bout the 10 commandments. Many of these people are also rapturist.

Dont get any SMOOTHER than that! Cant sin no matter what sin you commit and before things get bad they claim their god will beam them out of here.

Anyone know who the Holy One of Israel is? Verse 15.

 

[tulc]

I dont believe we should get angry at anyone here. The anger comes from seeing scripture thats contrary to what theyve been taught. Id be angry to. The below scripture talks of being SAVED. There is only one way to be saved for Jew and Gentile (the main arguement for those who practice lawlessness). Ahh...right?

Isaiah 30 A prophecy fulfilled

ISAIAH 30 [8] Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: [9] That this is A REBELLIOUS PEOPLE, lying children, children THAT WILL NOT HEAR THE LAW OF THE LORD: [10] WHICH SAY to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, SPEAK UNTO US SMOOTH THINGS, prophesy deceits: 11] Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. [12] Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: [13] Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. [14] And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit. [15] FOR THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; IN RETURNING AND REST SHALL YE BE SAVED; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: AND YE WOULD NOT.

There have come along those who claim there is no law at all. They will even post a few scriptural one liners which are talking of the law of circumcision and claim the scripture is talking bout the 10 commandments. Many of these people are also rapturist.

Dont get any SMOOTHER than that! Cant sin no matter what sin you commit and before things get bad they claim their god will beam them out of here.

Anyone know who the Holy One of Israel is? Verse 15.

Hmmm I don't believe the Sabbath is a day of the week that we are to keep but rather the Sabbath rest is Jesus and our relationship now is with Him, not a symbol of Him but I also DON'T believe in the Rapture.
tulc(could use some coffee right now)

 

[WailingWall]

Hi Tulc
Why would you believe the sabbath is a symbol of Jesus? Any scriptures?