Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[calluna]

Acts 7:38 This is he [Yeshua], that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him [Yeshua] in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who [Yeshua] received the lively oracles to give unto us:

That was Stephen the Jew talking to the Jewish Sanhedrin.

 

[visionary]

It was Yeshua who gave the ten commandments.

 

[sunlover1]

Let me put it this way: The Sabbath was made for mankind to enjoy and be blessed by the keeping of it.

But even you don't "keep" it.
So why force other's to believe they need to try (and most likely fail)
to do what you cant even do?
Many, but not all, things changed with the New Covenant.
We no longer live by the old law, but by a higher and actually
an even tougher law, the law of liberty.
Where before you could just check the books and see if that
thing you almost did or did etc, were on 'em.
Now you have to yeild to your conscience.

I'm guessing you're not online today, as that would be
breaking sabbath.
Didnt think about that til I'd already posted this.

Please correct me if I'm wrong btw, but this
is what I understand from my Bible study.

sunlover

 

[PROPHECYKID]

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DO YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE
MATT.19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

And , finally the truth ( in part ) . The Sabbath violator admits that they earn their own salvation and have as their only desire to convince others to do the same . They say that eternal life requires one to observe the Sabbath commands - but only the ones that *they* are willing to observe and only *in the way* that *they* observe them . Well , congratulations to those that worship the Sabbath , they are truly most righteous and not needing Jesus in the least .

No one is saying that their own salvation is earned. Salvation is not earned it is given by God for nothing we can do can earn us salvation. You look to criticize allot without addressing the issue. A text was quoted so why don't you offer an explanation as to why Jesus said that if you would enter into life keep the commandments. You won't do that. You would ignore the text and criticize the poster. Those were Jesus' words. So in your response to me, try your best not to criticize me but just deal with the quoted text and explain to us why Jesus said those words.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Again the Sabbath-violator lies . I didn't say that I didn't believe . They simply don't say what you intentionally , falsely claim that they say . Jesus said "my commandments" - not "the Mosaic Law" .

Ok, so explain to us the difference. Lets deal with this issue. You spend allot of time criticizing all Sabbath keepers and you know nothing about some of us. In that regard even if you don't agree with our belief you should not be so quick to criticize. But give some clarification for your last statement. What is the difference between the Mosaic Law and "my commandments".

You continue to be like the legalists who wanted Jesus to believe that humans were made for the Sabbath . The Lord says that is a lie - that the Sabbath was made for humans .

The Sabbath being made for man and not man for the Sabbath simply means that man is the beneficiary. If something is made for you then you benefit from it. If God makes something for you, you should pay attention to it.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

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Yes, I'm absolutely sure. The law was given about 400 years after Abraham was dead.

You are correct , holo . The Sabbath-violators haven't been able to figure that out , yet . It isn't that hard ... Abraham had Isaac , had Jacob , had Levi , had ... ( well after Abraham's death ) had Moses who was used to write the Law . But , those who worship the Sabbath are new to reading the Scriptures . They might be able to understand that sooner or later .

A text was quoted to prove the perspective that even though the 10 commandments were not yet written on stone as yet, Abraham did obey laws and commandments that God gave him and one would wisely assume that they coincide with the 10 commandments and more. However, there is a blatant disregard for the text. Or maybe you didn't see it.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

They were not written on stone for Abraham. A Law does not need to be written on stone to exist. The Israelites had already known the commandments before they were given, not as "10 commandments" but they knew them. Abraham did obey God's Laws and commandments.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

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Mankind was made to enjoy the blessings of the Sabbath.

The Scriptures record the opposite - that Jesus stated that man was *not* made for the Sabbath .

And , you have no desire for others to enjoy the Sabbath but to have the Sabbath as a work needed for salvation . Damning those that don't observe the Sabbath ( and , you are one that knowingly violates every Sabbath ) is not an attitude that wants others to "enjoy" it as an opportunity .

We can have a discussion without criticism you know. Myself and Holo had and might still have pages of discussion on this issue. But I refrain from criticizing him, i just show what I believe is biblical truth. He may not agree with me, that fine, but I respect him nevertheless. You just seem to have a grudge against all Sabbath keepers. I don't know if a Sabbath keeper told you something bad years ago but don't hate us for keeping the Sabbath and trying to convince others of its importance. And I maintain that Sabbath keeping is not done to earn salvation.

 

[tulc]

If you are keeping the 7th day holy, by ceasing from secular work, and by giving yourself to sacred activities during the Sabbath then you are keeping it holy.

Well, then there's no problem! uhmmmm that does make me think of another question though: do you also keep the Sabbath Laws? No cooking etc?

However, what you think is not sin, could very well be sin, if it is not guided by what the Bible says. Remember that well known text: "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death."

That's a good thing for us all to remember.
tulc(having the last cup of coffee for the day!)

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Then why was it given to a very small nation only?

But remember that God's plan was to reach the whole world through the nation of Israel. God raised up that nation to work through them to reach all other nations. Israel was just so rebellious that that could not have happened. What was given to Israel was not exclusively just for Israelites but for all who would have joined them as God's people. The Sabbath was not supposed to be seen as a Jewish Sabbath in the first place but the Sabbath of the Lord. The jews "high and mighty" mentality, unattracted nations from them and thus instead of God's laws being looked at as his, they were looked at as the jew's laws.

The only time the gospel was able to go outside of the Jewish nation was when God decided that it was time to take the responsibility of spreading the Gospel out of the hands of the jews or else the gospel would still be with only them today.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Originally Posted by BrightCandle

All 10 the commandments were meant to be kept as a blessing to mankind.
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That's obvious nonsense. Can we raise the level somewhat, please?

Psa 112:1 Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

But even you don't "keep" it.
So why force other's to believe they need to try (and most likely fail)
to do what you cant even do?

Why do you say that? In what way is he violating the Sabbath.

Many, but not all, things changed with the New Covenant.
We no longer live by the old law, but by a higher and actually
an even tougher law, the law of liberty.

Jam 2:8 If ye fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jam 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Is the Royal Law and the Law of liberty different? And which law is placed in the hearts of men in the new covenant.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Let me put it this way: The Sabbath was made for mankind to enjoy and be blessed by the keeping of it.

And , that way is the opposite of your intent . You don't want anyone to enjoy it because your goal is to make people think that they are required to keep it . And , not just keep it - keep it your way which is contrary to what the Scriptures say .

If you meant what you wrote , you wouldn't push it on anyone . You would say that the Sabbaths are offered as a gift with no problem if they didn't accept it .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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On what day to the majority of the world's professed Christians go to church on? Sunday. Do the majority of those professed Christian keep it as a Sabbath? No. Most go to church and socialize, but also watch sports events and work on their house or car as well. That is how Satan replaced and desecrated the 7th day Sabbath.

Go to church ? One *can't* "go to church" . Christians *are* the Church .

Who cares when the majority or the minority go to their club meetings ? And , if you go to a club meeting on the Sabbath , you violate the Sabbath . The Sabbath is about physical rest . Your mandatory meetings have nothing to do with the Sabbath . *That* is how Satan has convinced you to desecrate the Sabbath . He also has done a good job in convincing you to attempt to convince others to desecrate the Sabbath by telling others that they were made for the Sabbath - the opposite of what Jesus stated .


Watching a sporting event is more in keeping with the Sabbath than what *you* do to violate it .

 

[ticker]

Hi Ticker
How ya doin today? Good i hope.

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ticker, this scripture says what it says. Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law (10 commandments). Then the scripture goes on to say the same thing again (in case you missed it the 1st time). We are under the law (our schoolmaster) UNTIL we are justified by faith. Ticker, we are not born with faith, are we? So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. Thats what this scripture says. No shortcuts. The "many" never went to school. They never attempted to keep the 10 commandments, incuding sabbath. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.

Because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID!

REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and THE FAITH OF JESUS.

FAITH AND THE COMMANDMENTS, Ticker. I bet youve been told ya cant have both. Its one or the other. Sometimes its hard not to believe what youve been taught all these years, but what the many have been taught is contrary to scripture.

EPHES. 2 [7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. [8] For BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

No doubt that only the grace of God will save you. Its a gift we do not deserve. We are ALL as filthy rags. We ALL have come up short. The big question is to whom this gift will be given. Those who obey God and keep His commandments or those who practice iniquity.

JAMES 2 [17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. [18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, and tremble.

The devil himself BELIEVES in Jesus. I dont believe he will be saved. Agreed?

Hey WailingWall...

I did entertain your request of giving you the one verse from the bible...and thanks for the reply, but I really can't even understand why you've said the things you've said here. I'm not into discussing this stuff right now anyways, so...

Take care!

 

[New_Wineskin]

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All 10 the commandments were meant to be kept as a blessing to mankind.

You have no evidence for that . I was not mentioned in the giving of the Law .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Acts 7:38 This is he [Yeshua], that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him [Yeshua] in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who [Yeshua] received the lively oracles to give unto us:

You have intentionally misquoted and added words to the Scriptures .

37"This is that Moses who told the Israelites, 'God will send you a prophet like me from your own people.'[h] 38He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living words to pass on to us.

Moses is the one to whom the angel spoke on Sinai .

And , the context of "us" is the physical descendants of the Israelites at Sinai .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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It was Yeshua who gave the ten commandments.

Not mentioned anywhere .

Even if He did , He didn't give them to me . He gave them to Moses for those unwilling to come to Him up the mountain . And , they are still for those who would rather read what He told others instead of coming to Him and listening to what He has to say to them - to those with stiff-necks and would rather do things than to believe .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Well, then there's no problem! uhmmmm that does make me think of another question though: do you also keep the Sabbath Laws? No cooking etc?

They have completey re-engineered the Sabbath into something not even remotely looking like the Sabbath . They violate the Sabbath in every way and spend time thinking of new ways to desecrate the Sabbaths . All of this while they damn others for not following in their lead of looking down at the Sabbath as being a chore instead of a gift .

 

[calluna]

It was Yeshua who gave the ten commandments.

Jesus, yes. Refreshing to have someone admit it. But that comment is an anachronism, if it's relevant.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

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All 10 the commandments were meant to be kept as a blessing to mankind.

You have no evidence for that . I was not mentioned in the giving of the Law .

I hope I am wrong but it seems like you have stopped looking at the things that I have posted because on the previous page I did give evidence of this.