Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[New_Wineskin]

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DO YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE
MATT.19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

And , finally the truth ( in part ) . The Sabbath violator admits that they earn their own salvation and have as their only desire to convince others to do the same . They say that eternal life requires one to observe the Sabbath commands - but only the ones that *they* are willing to observe and only *in the way* that *they* observe them . Well , congratulations to those that worship the Sabbath , they are truly most righteous and not needing Jesus in the least .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Yes, I'm absolutely sure. The law was given about 400 years after Abraham was dead.

You are correct , holo . The Sabbath-violators haven't been able to figure that out , yet . It isn't that hard ... Abraham had Isaac , had Jacob , had Levi , had ... ( well after Abraham's death ) had Moses who was used to write the Law . But , those who worship the Sabbath are new to reading the Scriptures . They might be able to understand that sooner or later .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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I suppose if it was mentiomed 4 times you might believe

Again the Sabbath-violator lies . I didn't say that I didn't believe . They simply don't say what you intentionally , falsely claim that they say . Jesus said "my commandments" - not "the Mosaic Law" .


You continue to be like the legalists who wanted Jesus to believe that humans were made for the Sabbath . The Lord says that is a lie - that the Sabbath was made for humans .

 

[visionary]

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DO YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE
MATT.19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

And , finally the truth ( in part ) . The Sabbath violator admits that they earn their own salvation and have as their only desire to convince others to do the same . They say that eternal life is to observe the Sabbath commands - but only the ones that *they* are willing to observe and only *in the way* that *they* observe them . Well , congratulations to those that worship the Sabbath , they are truly most righteous and not needing Jesus in the least .

Where would you find the Lord of the Sabbath and who is the Lord of the Sabbath? IS He the King of the Jews? Is His Kingdom Jewish, His version of Jewish, direct from Mount Sinai? Did Yeshua not receive the Ten Commandments from His Father on Mount Sinai to give to us? Why were they so important in the first place to God?

 

[visionary]

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Yes, I'm absolutely sure. The law was given about 400 years after Abraham was dead.

You are correct , holo . The Sabbath-violators haven't been able to figure that out , yet . It isn't that hard ... Abraham had Isaac , had Jacob , had Levi , had ... ( well after Abraham's death ) had Moses who was used to write the Law . But , those who worship the Sabbath are new to reading the Scriptures . They might be able to understand that sooner or later .

And I absolutely sure that the Lord shared His Sabbath with man on the seventh day when He blessed it.

 

[MamaZ]

Jesus tell us that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath..

 

[calluna]

And I absolutely sure that the Lord shared His Sabbath with man on the seventh day when He blessed it.

Not with all men; only those who are eager to enter His rest.

 

[visionary]

Not with all men; only those who are eager to enter His rest.

That is the secret in plain sight.

 

[BrightCandle]

...uhmmm it's you who seems to think we desecrate the Sabbath (exactly how we do that is still a little unclear I'm afraid ) so why would we criticize you for something we don't think of as a sin?
tulc(good shabbos to you both!)

If you are keeping the 7th day holy, by ceasing from secular work, and by giving yourself to sacred activities during the Sabbath then you are keeping it holy. However, what you think is not sin, could very well be sin, if it is not guided by what the Bible says. Remember that well known text: "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death."

 

[calluna]

That is the secret in plain sight.

What nobody knows is that God goes back to work on Monday. Or is it Sunday?

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Where would you find the Lord of the Sabbath and who is the Lord of the Sabbath? IS He the King of the Jews?

If He is the king of the Jews , that is nice - but of no consequence to me - I am not Jewish .
I am concerned that He is *my* king .


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Is His Kingdom Jewish, His version of Jewish, direct from Mount Sinai? Did Yeshua not receive the Ten Commandments from His Father on Mount Sinai to give to us?

No . He did not give the Law or any portion to me . Jesus was not a part of that episode or He was not to be given credit for it as He was not mentioned .

What was given on Sinai was given to those Israelites that came to the mountain and to their physical descendants . No mention of me .


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Why were they so important in the first place to God?

Who stated that they were important to Him ? It doesn't matter as that was between Him and those to whom they were written - not me .


And , why do you claim that I was made for the Sabbath when He stated that man was not made for the Sabbath ?

 

[BrightCandle]

And , why do you claim that I was made for the Sabbath when He stated that man was not made for the Sabbath ?

Mankind was made to enjoy the blessings of the Sabbath. Why are the vast majority of the 6 billion plus human beings on planet earth not enjoying those blessings? Because Satan hates God and his commandments and has done everything possible to obscure their meaning, and the Sabbath is the BIG one that Satan has attacked, by substituting Sunday in its place.

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Mankind was made to enjoy the blessings of the Sabbath.

The Scriptures record the opposite - that Jesus stated that man was *not* made for the Sabbath .

And , you have no desire for others to enjoy the Sabbath but to have the Sabbath as a work needed for salvation . Damning those that don't observe the Sabbath ( and , you are one that knowingly violates every Sabbath ) is not an attitude that wants others to "enjoy" it as an opportunity .

 

[New_Wineskin]

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Why are the vast majority of the 6 billion plus human beings on planet not enjoying those blessings? Because Satan hates God and his commandments and has done everything possible to obscure their meaning, and the Sabbath is the BIG one that Satan has attacked, by substiting Sunday in its place.

I have not seen Sunday replacing the Sabbath . People use Sunday as much for work as the worshippers of the Sabbath work and violate Friday-Saturday . Why should I care if their man-made tradition that is a fake Sabbath or your man-made fake Sabbath is used ? Both of the camps do what is not allowed on the Sabbath and urinate on the commands that describe what is to be done and not done according to the Sabbath ( not that those who do things on Sunday are doing them because of a command - though many do ) .

As long as you look at the Sabbath as something that man was made to do , you violate it . As long as you disregard the commands related to the Sabbaths , you violate it . As long as you attempt to push people to think like you about the Sabbath , you violate it .

 

[BrightCandle]

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Mankind was made to enjoy the blessings of the Sabbath.

The Scriptures record the opposite - that Jesus stated that man was *not* made for the Sabbath .

And , you have no desire for others to enjoy the Sabbath but to have the Sabbath as a work needed for salvation . Damning those that don't observe the Sabbath ( and , you are one that knowingly violates every Sabbath ) is not an attitude that wants others to "enjoy" it as an opportunity .

Let me put it this way: The Sabbath was made for mankind to enjoy and be blessed by the keeping of it.

 

[calluna]

Let me put it this way: The Sabbath was made for mankind to enjoy and be blessed by the keeping of it.

Then why was it given to a very small nation only?

 

[BrightCandle]

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Why are the vast majority of the 6 billion plus human beings on planet not enjoying those blessings? Because Satan hates God and his commandments and has done everything possible to obscure their meaning, and the Sabbath is the BIG one that Satan has attacked, by substiting Sunday in its place.

I have not seen Sunday replacing the Sabbath . People use Sunday as much for work as the worshippers of the Sabbath work and violate Friday-Saturday . Why should I care if their man-made tradition that is a fake Sabbath or your man-made fake Sabbath is used ? Both of the camps do what is not allowed on the Sabbath and urinate on the commands that describe what is to be done and not done according to the Sabbath ( not that those who do things on Sunday are doing them because of a command - though many do ) .

As long as you look at the Sabbath as something that man was made to do , you violate it . As long as you disregard the commands related to the Sabbaths , you violate it . As long as you attempt to push people to think like you about the Sabbath , you violate it .

On what day do the majority of the world's professed Christians go to church on? Sunday. Do the majority of those professed Christian keep it as a Sabbath? No. Most go to church and socialize, but also watch sports events and work on their house or car as well. That is how Satan replaced and desecrated the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[BrightCandle]

As long as you look at the Sabbath as something that man was made to do , you violate it . As long as you disregard the commands related to the Sabbaths , you violate it . As long as you attempt to push people to think like you about the Sabbath , you violate it .

All 10 the commandments were meant to be kept as a blessing to mankind. God knew that breaking them would only cause sin and sorrow that always results from doing so. No one is pushing the Sabbath, I and others here on CF are only presenting a truth that is not popular, but nevertheless is truth. Maybe the problem here is that the Holy Spirit is trying to break through your hardness of heart and get you to the point where you will say: Lord I surrender all to you, and will from now on by the power that you will give me via the Holy Spirit keep all of your commandments, including the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[calluna]

All 10 the commandments were meant to be kept as a blessing to mankind.

That's obvious nonsense. Can we raise the level somewhat, please?

 

[visionary]

Is His Kingdom Jewish, His version of Jewish, direct from Mount Sinai? Did Yeshua not receive the Ten Commandments from His Father on Mount Sinai to give to us?

No . He did not give the Law or any portion to me . Jesus was not a part of that episode or He was not to be given credit for it as He was not mentioned .

What was given on Sinai was given to those Israelites that came to the mountain and to their physical descendants . No mention of me .

Acts 7:38 This is he [Yeshua], that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him [Yeshua] in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who [Yeshua] received the lively oracles to give unto us: