Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[vanshan]

Here's an excerpt from the article, "The Grace of Christ and the Law of Moses" located in the recently published Orthodox Study Bible, p. 90 (Thomas Nelson, 2008):

The Apostle John wrote, "The law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ" (John 1:17). The grace of Christ and the Law of Moses are complementary, not contradictory. The following helps explain both.

FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN CHRIST AND MOSES

Christ and Moses were friends and conversed as friends. The pre-incarnate Christ gave Moses the Law; in turn Moses gave it to Israel. (Exodus 20:1-26). As the Lawgiver, Christ, not Moses was the Author of the Law, Moses was His servant.

In the New Testament, Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration, and they conversed with Him as friend with friend (Matthew 17:1-8). The presence of Moses shows Christ as the fulfillment of the Law. The presence of Elijah shows Christ as the fulfillment of the Prophets.

CONTRAST BETWEEN CHRIST AND MOSES

Christ is incomparably greater than Moses, for Christ, the Son of God, Who brought all creation into existence from nonexistence, is building His Church. When Christ gave Moses and Israel the Law, He spoke as the Lord their God.

HARMONY BETWEEN LAW AND GRACE

Christ is the Lawgiver in both the Old and New Testatments. Therefore, there is no opposition or contradiction between the old and new laws. In His incarnation, the Lawgiver Himself fulfilled the old Law, making it obsolete.

Christ gave His written Law through Moses to make sin known (Romans 3:20; 7:7). Man's God-given natural law, written in the conscience, was dulled through disobedience in the years between Adam and Moses. The Mosaic Law helped renew this knowledge of sin to lead man to repentance. After His ascension, Christ sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to convict the world of sin (John 16:8), to renew the natural law in man's conscience (Hebrews 8:10), to lead us into all truth (John 16:13), and to make it possible for us to become partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4).

The Law was given for a purpose, which has now been fulfilled in Christ. We are no longer bound to the letter of the law, but it was given to make us aware of our disobedience, or difficulty to be obedient to God. We now have the Holy Spirit as an aid to convict us. Keeping the Sabbath was a rule created to show man how hard obedience is for us. Now the Holy Spirit shows us that, so the keeping of the Sabbath is no longer a legalistic rule we must follow. Instead we celebrate the Lord's Day as holy, since it was the day of the week God chose to be raised from the dead. It's a celebration of the victorious Christ who destroyed death for us, so that we could be received into Heaven.

Basil

 

[MamaZ]

Those whom do not believe in Christ but try to get to Glory by a different route will be judged by the Law.. When we believe in Christ we have passed from the judgement of the law and we have now entered into the new covenant.. His blood.

 

[calluna]

rest... i could do with some....

but looking at the passage it cannot be rest in the sense of doing nothing

It means doing nothing for one's justification. To work for justification is fatal, as it was for the man who collected wood.

 

[cyberlizard]

littlelamb...

the last question is difficult to answer unless we first agree terms on what the first covenant was, including it witnesses, sacrificial aspects and contractual terms.

the same holds true for the next covenant.... we have to agree who are the parties to whom it was given, what type was the sacrifice, who were the witnesses, and what were the contractual terms, otherwise we may end up talking at cross purposes whilst both of us think we each mean the same thing, when we do not.


Steve

p.s. hebrews says the law was given through angels (in the plural) who are they? which ones?

 

[cyberlizard]

It means doing nothing for one's justification. To work for justification is fatal, as it was for the man who collected wood.

finally something we agree on.... but the righteos will live by putting their faith into action. For faith without works is dead

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Those whom do not believe in Christ but try to get to Glory by a different route will be judged by the Law.. When we believe in Christ we have passed from the judgement of the law and we have now entered into the new covenant.. His blood.

Amen!!!!!

John 5:45 " No you be supposing that I shall be accusing of ye toward the Father. Is the one accusing of Ye-- Moses, into whom ye have relied.

Reve 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the land and the Heaven/ouranoV <3772> fled away. And there was found no Place/topoV <5117> for them.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=5239077&page=3
Need help with Books Opened in Reve 20

 

[MamaZ]

You are right.. Faith without works is dead.. So if you say you have love for God and yet see your brother or sister or neighbor in need and do not give them what they need then how can you say you have the Love of God.. It is faith in action.. Freely you have been given so freely give.. For what you do unto the least of these my brethren you do unto me..

 

[calluna]

finally something we agree on.

Not for long.

but the righteos will live by putting their faith into action.

No, they won't. They will live by having faith, which results in action. No action, no faith.

Failure to agree with that is fatal.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not for long.


No, they won't. They will live by having faith, which results in action. No action, no faith.

Failure to agree with that is fatal.

Having Faith without the works of Love will be like being in the "lake of fire" without an abestos suit

2 Timothy 4:1 Thru-witnessing then I, before the GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, of the one-being-about/mellontoV <3195> (5723) to be judging living and dead, according as the appearance/manifestation/epifaneian <2015> of Him and the Kingdom of Him

Reve 11:18 And the nations are angered, and came Thy wrath, and the Time of the dead to be judged, and to give the wages to Thy Bond-servants, the prophets, and to the Saints, and to those fearing Thy name, the small, and the great, and to blight the ones blighting the land [Ezekiel 7:2]

http://christianforums.com/f804
2 Timothy 4:1 translation

 

[calluna]

Having Faith without the works of Love

...is an impossibility.

 

[cyberlizard]

faith (pistis) is the greek version of the hebrew word 'emunah' which is not mental assent but a verb, 'to faith' or 'faithing', it just sounds so wrong in english.

Steve

p.s. if you have actions you most certainly have faith, but to say you have faith and it does not provide actions is a non-starter.

 

[MamaZ]

Faith without works is that when we come to Faith in Christ we will have the fruit of our faith. A transformed life.. Be molded into the image of Christ..This is the works James is speaking of.. Not workings of the law.. But genuine life transforming works stemming from being truly born again.. Being molded into the image of Christ. Loving as Christ loved.. Putting off the old and putting on the new.. For every man that is Born of the Spirit of God is a new creation In Christ Jesus and if indeed we are truly born again we will have the fruits of this new birth..

 

[calluna]

if you have actions you most certainly have faith, but to say you have faith and it does not provide actions is a non-starter.

Agreed.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

faith (pistis) is the greek version of the hebrew word 'emunah' which is not mental assent but a verb, 'to faith' or 'faithing', it just sounds so wrong in english.

Steve

p.s. if you have actions you most certainly have faith, but to say you have faith and it does not provide actions is a non-starter.

Good post. I also try to find equivalent Hebrew words for Greek words in the NC.

This word for "Dry" for instance.

http://www.scripture4all.org/
Good hebrew/greek/english Interlinear!

Haggai 2:6 That thus He says, YHWH of Hosts: Yet one little, she, and I am quaking the heavens and the land, and the sea, and the Dry/03004 yabbashah, 7 And I quake All of the nations, and they come, desired of all of the nations. And I fill the House, the-this, honour says YHWH of Hosts.

Matt 23:15"Woe to ye scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going-about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638), ye are making him a son of geennhV <1067> twofold-more of-ye.

Luke 23:31 That if in the moist wood/xulw <3586> these-things they are doing, in the Dry/xhrw <3584>, what may be becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638)?

 

[tulc]

Soooo...any response as to what we "non-sabbath keepers" are doing on Saturday that's so unholy?
tulc(is still curious)

 

[cyberlizard]

the truth is some people keep the sabbath, and some keep the lord's day.

the real question is, what is it you do on this day..... do you really rest and meet the needs of your neighbour, or do you use it as a day to go to church and when you get out treat it just the same as any other day.

Steve

p.s. i keep shabbat, what others choose to do is between them and their judge.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

the truth is some people keep the sabbath, and some keep the lord's day.

the real question is, what is it you do on this day..... do you really rest and meet the needs of your neighbour, or do you use it as a day to go to church and when you get out treat it just the same as any other day.

Steve

p.s. i keep shabbat, what others choose to do is between them and their judge.

Hi. Wasn't the Passover a "double Sabbath"? I had this in a folder but forgot to put the link to it. Thoughts?

.....This Sabbath was not the Saturday-Sabbath which begins on Friday evening. This was the High Holy Day Sabbath, which that year fell on a Thursday evening and Friday-DAY. In other words, the HOLY DAY Sabbath (Passover-Unleavened Bread) was followed by their 7th day Saturday-Sabbath, thereby having a double-Sabbath, back-to-back.......

Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days! 20 "Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath.

http://www.davieapostolicchurch.com/studies/destuct/

....The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country,.................

 

[MamaZ]

We are to keep every day Holy for we are the body of Christ.. We are not to just pick one day out of the week to do this.. For our eyes are to be constantly on Christ..

 

[calluna]

a day to go to church

'Every day they continued to meet together.....They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts.' Ac 2:46 NIV

 

[cyberlizard]

so is this what you yourself do...... or are you just quoting scripture