Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[Jefell]

the FOURTH COMMANDMENT: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Ex 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.


Ex 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Ex 31:14 " ‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

Lev 23:3 " ‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

Dt 5:12 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.


Ne 13:17 I rebuked the nobles of Judah and said to them, "What is this wicked thing you are doing—desecrating the Sabbath day?


Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Mt 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

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So the Sabbath is Saturday.. or From Friday Evening till Saturday Evening..

CLEARLY... God wants us to keep the Sabbath holy.. not Sunday which we worship on because of the believed ressurection of Jesus.

SO... why as Christians do we consistantly break one of the Ten Commandments and NOT preach this to our bretheren??

Why do we decide this commandment is negotiable? Did GOD change his mind about the Sabbath? Do we know better than GOD?

We can say Jesus worked on the Sabbath.. but HE HEALED AND PREACHED on the Sabbath.. He wasn't doing carpentry!


With Love,
Jefell

- GETSHOOK . com

 

[owenred]

1. Define Work first - is sport work? theres shady ground here

2. Should be PUT TO DEATH? what?

 

[Jefell]

1. It's not shady ground.. its simple: DO GOOD FOR GOD & PRAISE GOD ON THE SABBATH. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

In whatever you do.. PRAISE GOD... Be thankful in and for everything!

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Ps 107:22 Let them sacrifice thank offerings and tell of his works with songs of joy.

Ro 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world

1Co 1:4-9 I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge — because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you. Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.
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2. The LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Some may trivialize it and think its just a day and couldn't possibly be that important.. Clearly it is important. It is the 4th Commandment.


With Love,
Jefell

getshook . com

 

[tulc]

uhmm what are we doing on the Sabbath that makes you think we aren't keeping it Holy?
tulc(never have gotten an answer to that)

 

[calluna]

the FOURTH COMMANDMENT: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Not commanded to Christians.

 

[Celticflower]

While the moral code of the ten commandments is reccomended for Christians to follow, we are not obligated to follow any of the Law. If we do make any part of the Law an obligation, we are to follow all of the Law. But the Law never saved anyone.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why do we decide this commandment is negotiable? Did GOD change his mind about the Sabbath? Do we know better than GOD?

Hi. I have a question. Why did Jesus come to the Judeans and Lost Sheep of Israel for?
Look at Reve 14:11 for example.

These could symbolically be viewed as OC Israelites under the Law not keeping the Whole Law because they have not entered the Sabbath rest of Jesus.

[I may start a thread on this]. Thoughts?

Matthew 11:29 Take! My yoke upon ye, and be learning from Me. That meek am-I and humble to the heart, and ye shall find be finding Rest/anapausin <372> to thine souls;

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest/anapausin <372> day and night [Hebrews 4:3]

 

[New_Wineskin]

quote:
SO... why as Christians do we consistantly break one of the Ten Commandments and NOT preach this to our bretheren??

Why do we decide this commandment is negotiable? Did GOD change his mind about the Sabbath? Do we know better than GOD?



A better question is why do *you* still break the Sabbath after you acknowledge doing so and saying it is wrong ?

You obviously *don't* have a problem with breaking the Sabbath . So , why bring it up ?

 

[New_Wineskin]

quote:
Define Work first - is sport work? theres shady ground here


Sport is definitely work with regards to the Sabbath . Work with the Sabbath is physical labor . Only the minimum amount is allowed - not even cooking . It is about physical rest .

 

[Thekla]

quote:
Define Work first - is sport work? theres shady ground here


Sport is definitely work with regards to the Sabbath . Work with the Sabbath is physical labor . Only the minimum amount is allowed - not even cooking . It is about physical rest .

do you refrain from turning on lights, ovens, etc on Fri. eve til Sat. eve ?

 

[New_Wineskin]

Do I ? *I* am not proposing that the Sabbath is in effect for anyone .

 

[Thekla]

scoozie ?

 

[tulc]

Sport is definitely work with regards to the Sabbath . Work with the Sabbath is physical labor . Only the minimum amount is allowed - not even cooking . It is about physical rest .

do you refrain from turning on lights, ovens, etc on Fri. eve til Sat. eve ?

Do I ? *I* am not proposing that the Sabbath is in effect for anyone .

scoozie ?

I think New Wineskins was pointing out what would be required to "keep the sabbath" biblically?
tulc(just guessing)

 

[Stinker]

Genesis 4:1-5 (King James Version)



1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
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This is the very first example of worship. It is the example of the Sabbath day that the Israelites were told to remember, to keep holy when God was leading them out of Egypt.

 

[WarEagle]

the FOURTH COMMANDMENT: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Ex 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.


Ex 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


Ex 31:14 " ‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

Lev 23:3 " ‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

Dt 5:12 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.


Ne 13:17 I rebuked the nobles of Judah and said to them, "What is this wicked thing you are doing—desecrating the Sabbath day?


Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Mt 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

************************************

So the Sabbath is Saturday.. or From Friday Evening till Saturday Evening..

CLEARLY... God wants us to keep the Sabbath holy.. not Sunday which we worship on because of the believed ressurection of Jesus.

SO... why as Christians do we consistantly break one of the Ten Commandments and NOT preach this to our bretheren??

Why do we decide this commandment is negotiable? Did GOD change his mind about the Sabbath? Do we know better than GOD?

We can say Jesus worked on the Sabbath.. but HE HEALED AND PREACHED on the Sabbath.. He wasn't doing carpentry!


With Love,
Jefell

- GETSHOOK . com

If you choose to worship on Saturday, that's fine. But the Sabbath is no longer a day of the week. It is Jesus.

The Saturday Sabbath was meant to be a foreshadowing of the rest we would have in Christ. Now that we have Christ, we have no more need of the foreshadowing.

 

[martymonster]

Untill you enter into His rest, you a violating the Sabbath every single day!

 

[New_Wineskin]

quote:
I think New Wineskins was pointing out what would be required to "keep the sabbath" biblically?
tulc(just guessing)


Yes . Not a single one of those demanding that Christians keep the Sabbath ( or the "Lord's Day" for the Sunday people ) actually keep them . They only go through some motions - which is exactly the opposite of rest .

 

[cyberlizard]

Not commanded to Christians.

some say if we follow one bit we have to follow it all.... jesus when asked what the greatest commandment was, simply recited the jewish prayer, the shema, which is a couple of bits of scripture.

first he says YHVH Eloheinu is One
then he says love YHVH your God
then he says love your neighbour as yourself


so it is hard.... if the idea holds true that if we follow one bit we have to follow it all, then if we follow the bits above we have to follow it all. I think this reasoning comes down to shoddy interpretation of Paul, who says if you follow the law you have to follow it all. The problem is that in many of these passages, the phrase 'the law' is particular to 'the law of circumcision' which is rabbinic euphemism for 'conversion to judaism'.

paul taught that conversion to judaism (by physical circumcicion) was not the issue and certainly not required. He was not arguing against Torah. To have done so, according to Torah would have rendered him a false prophet.

But in repsonse to the above quote, what are Christians obliged to follow. If it is the Acts 15 stuff then it stops being grace and becomes instructions believers must abide by.

Jesus observed Torah. If he didn't he was not messiah according to OT prophecy.

but if we ignore for a moment all pauls writings, we certainly do not get the impression that the righteousness demanded by Torah had been washed away. It is only when we read Paul in light of protestant theology that he begins to disagree with the other Apostles.

It is true the law cannot save, but the law does define what is and is not sin, and the law does offer if kept by the power of the Spirit, righteousness.

Everything comes down to how you read Paul, or how you choose to proof text him.


Steve

 

[cyberlizard]

how do we include these verses into our theology..... (if the sabbath is not meant to be observed by christians)....

but before that we need to consider this... which of these are true

1. Paul was the false prophet God warned about
2. God is forgetful/malicious/incoherent (Heaven forbid)
3. The conventional interpretation of Galatians, etc. is mistaken

Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Jesus - before the cross)

zealous for the Law/Torah (acts 21)

all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law (the Apostles speaking about Paul) - when accused of ignoring the Torah

But one who looks intently at the perfect law/Torah, the law/torah of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does. (James)

By this we know that we have come to know Him (YHVH), if we keep His commandments (John)

You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous (John) - sin is defined by Torah.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome (John)

keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus (John - revelation)

For it is not the hearers of the Law/Torah who are just before God, but the doers of the Law/Torah will be justified (Paul)

So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? (Paul)

Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law (Paul)

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God. (Paul)

Peter (an observant Jew) says that some people twist Paul's letters to make him say thing he is not. I think this may well be the case today. Why would Peter endorse someone who did not hold to Torah.... after all his rabbi was obsessed by its authority.


Fianlly we have to do some good theological gymnastics in the end. If we have Paul saying the law is irrelevent, why would he want to rush back to jerusalem for the feast of Shavuot, and why would he take a nazarite vow and pay for the purification of himself and others. Why would he refer to himself (in the present tense) as a pharisee (if he had converted to a new religion called chrsitianity).

these and many more questions muct be answered by the Anti-Torah (law-less) movement.


Steve

p.s. these verses are often missed out in our evangelical/protestant theology they are not here for a theological battle - not my thing - i just show them as they tend to get overlooked.

 

[calluna]

some say if we follow one bit we have to follow it all.

Sabbatarians, sacrifice your bulls and goats, according to Law. Switch off your computers when your Sabbath begins.

But in repsonse to the above quote, what are Christians obliged to follow.

What Abraham followed; his conscience.

'Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.' Eph 4:31-32 NIV