CHRISTIANS BURNING IN HELL-YOU TUBE

[Ron Gurley]

RE: The Spiritual Realms created by God

Believers:
To be absent from the Body/Soul combo (human death) is to be SPIRITUALLY present with the TRI-UNE GOD in His heavenly realm.(eternal life)

UN-Believers:
eternal spiritual life separated from the TRI-UNE GOD in the "lake of fire" with unholy 3 / demons / Hades / Death.

Q: what
A: only two realms / kingdoms:
1. kingdom of heaven...spiritually with God
2. "lake of fire"...spiritually separated from God
All others are perceived traditions!

Q: when: for immortal spirits
A: for eternity / infinity after death of Body/Soul combo

Q: who : man's immortal SPIRITS
A: only two groups:
1. believers...sheep Nations
2. UN-believers...goat Nations

Q: how
A: 5 (?) Just Judgments by the TRI-UNE GOD

Q: why
A: John 3:16...unconditional, spiritual LOVE and MERCY and GRACE + JUSTICE

John 3 (NASB)
17 For God (the Father) did not send (God) the Son
into the world to judge the world,
but that the world might be SAVED THROUGH Him.(spirit-led BELIEF / FAITH)
18 He who BELIEVES in Him is not judged; (believers / saved)
he who does not believe has been judged already, (UN-believers / lost)
because he has not (spiritually) believed in the name of the only begotten (UNIQUE NOT MADE) Son of God.

 

[Gary Davis]

We'll order pizza.

For those of you who might wander in here and think I'm being unchristian in cracking jokes about this, Gary and I have a short but telling history. He has, from his own words, decided he's going to Hell and doesn't seem to want to be talked down from that. I want to see if he'll respond to something unserious.

Brother, you don't have to live the rest of your life wearing a hair shirt and flagellating yourself like a third century monastic. Christianity can be joy and life and light. Just give up your self-imposed darkness.

 

[Gary Davis]

Without Holiness No One will see God!

Only those with Clean hands and a Pure Heart will See GOD.

Whatsoever a man sows so shall he reap., If he sows to the Flesh he Shall Reap Corruption, If he Sows to the Spirit he Shall Reap Eternal Life.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Response to POST#23:
Without Holiness No One will see God!
Only those with Clean hands and a Pure Heart will See GOD..

Shirley you jest! Man's self righteousness is viewed by God as: "filthy garments". You cannot work your way to heaven. You are a sinner in need of a Savior!

Isaiah 64:6(NASB)
For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;
And all of us wither like a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 3:10
as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

2 Corinthians 5:21: ONLY Imputed Righteousness
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Rev. 1 (NASB)
5b ...To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—
6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father
—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.

 

[Hieronymus]

Without Holiness No One will see God!

Jesus Christ is our Holiness.
I've got nothing to bring to the table except my faith in Him.

 

[drjean]

We are unholy by nature. THAT IS WHY we must accept Jesus' blood sacrifice upon the altar for our redemption! WE CANNOT get to heaven on our own but must be clothed in the righteousness of God, through Christ.

Why do you not want God's Love? No rational reason to refuse God's love!

WHAT CAN SEPARATE us from the Love of God? No thing. Nothing. Not even ourselves! Romans 8:38-38 includes "life" which means the life we live after we accept Christ, after God seals us until the day of redemption, sealed with the Holy Spirit in His Hand.

For I am persuaded,
that neither death,
nor life,
nor angels,
nor principalities,
nor powers,
nor things present,
nor things to come,
[39] Nor height,
nor depth,
nor any other creature,
shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Gary Davis]

Jesus Christ is our Holiness.
I've got nothing to bring to the table except my faith in Him.

Be Ye Holy as I AM Holy.

Be Ye Perfect as Your Heavenly Father is Perfect.

 

[Hieronymus]

Be Ye Holy as I AM Holy.

Be Ye Perfect as Your Heavenly Father is Perfect.

Good advice, but i fail.
But i try.
Only THROUGH Him am i justified before God.
So my salvation is up to God, not up to me.

 

[Gary Davis]

Good advice, but i fail.
But i try.
Only THROUGH Him am i justified before God.
So my salvation is up to God, not up to me.

IIts up to you!!! That's why the Bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Gary Davis]

Sowing & Reaping is a Spiritual Law as real as The Law of Gravity!!! Whatsoever a man sows so Shall he Reap,!! If he Sows to the Flesh he Shall Reap Corruption. If he Sows to the Spirit he Shall Reap Eternal Life!!!

You cannot Sow a majority of your life to the Flesh and REAP of the Spirit Eternal Life!!!!! Its impossible!!!

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Sowing & Reaping is a Spiritual Law as real as The Law of Gravity!!! Whatsoever a man sows so Shall he Reap,!! If he Sows to the Flesh he Shall Reap Corruption. If he Sows to the Spirit he Shall Reap Eternal Life!!!

You cannot Sow a majority of your life to the Flesh and REAP of the Spirit Eternal Life!!!!! Its impossible!!!

What is “ truly impossible “ is going to Heaven by being good or doing the best we can or obeying the commandments or by trying to live by the Sermon on the Mound.Thank God we don’t have to “ measure up” or “ clean up our act” to be saved.Simply Believe Paul’s Gospel,given to him by Jesus and salvation is
guaranteed——-1Cor15:1-4.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Simply Believe Paul’s Gospel?

hmmm?

Simply Believe Jesus’s Gospel!.

Summary of the "gospel"?:

Jesus the Christ, the God-Man, Son of God, Son of Man, THE Divine Messiah, TRUE Man, TRUE God, (many names/titles) etc...
has come down / was sent down from the heavenly realms to earth to SAVE Man from eternal spiritual death (separation from God).

GOOD NEWS! GLAD TIDINGS!

"the gospel" >used only in the NT!<...Greek 2098...euaggelion...
as the Messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death,
the narrative of the sayings, deeds, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ
came to be called the "gospel" or "glad tidings".

Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)...Jesus Preaches in Galilee
Now after John (the Baptizer) had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the "gospel of God",and saying,
“The time (prophecy) is fulfilled, and
the "kingdom of God" (Jesus) is AT HAND; (Jesus the Divine Messaiah has COME!)
Repent (turn to God) AND BELIEVE in the (this?) "gospel".”

Jesus was the personification of the "Kingdom of God".

Luke 17:21...nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’
For behold, the "kingdom of God" is (standing) in your midst.”

GOSPEL of the KINGDOM / GOSPEL of GOD

Matthew 4:23 (NASB) (see also Matthew 9:15; Matthew 24:14)
... [ Ministry in Galilee /synagogues + Prophecy of the end of the ages]
Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and
proclaiming "the gospel of the kingdom", and
healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.

Ephesians 1:13..In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth,
the gospel of your salvation — having also believed,
you were sealed in Him with (God) the Holy Spirit of promise,

1 Timothy 1:11...according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer....please explain where you stand....it is unclear to me.....are we saved if we believe in TheGospel taught by Paul in 1cor15:1-4 ?

 

[Ron Gurley]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (NASB)...The Facts of Christ’s Resurrection is NOT Jesus' "Gospel"
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received,
in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance (FACTS) what I also received,
that Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and
that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Jesus' "Gospel" is in my post#32!

Are we saved if we believe in the FACTS of the Apostle's Creed? John 3? Ephesians 2?

"the gospel" >used only in the NT!<...Greek 2098...euaggelion...
as the Messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death,
the narrative of the sayings, deeds, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ
came to be called the "gospel" or "glad tidings".

Here are some of Jesus' completed "missions":

Jesus the Christ, The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True God-Man...
CHANGED the world because of HIS "works" / words / missions:
1. Message...spiritually true WORDS

2. Miracles...spiritual and super-natural ACTS to AUTHENTICATE His message AND:

3. Prophesies...spiritual fore-sight

4. Teaching...of spiritual principles, sometimes in parables

5. Preaching...the Law and interpreting it, adding precepts, warning unbelievers

6. Ministry...a perfect example to follow...sin free

Matthew 20:28
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

1 Corinthians 15:3... Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,

1 Peter 3:18...substitutional atonement
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (JESUS) for the unjust (US),
so that He might bring us to God,(RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh, (bloody Cross)but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)

Q1: What is the meaning (of the) word 'Manifested'?

"appeared" ...Greek 5319...phaneroo...to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way

Q2: Who was 'manifested'?
A2: Jesus the God-Man,The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True DEITY...True MAN.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (NASB)...The Facts of Christ’s Resurrection is NOT Jesus' "Gospel"
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received,
in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance (FACTS) what I also received,
that Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and
that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Jesus' "Gospel" is in my post#32!

Are we saved if we believe in the FACTS of the Apostle's Creed? John 3? Ephesians 2?

"the gospel" >used only in the NT!<...Greek 2098...euaggelion...
as the Messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death,
the narrative of the sayings, deeds, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ
came to be called the "gospel" or "glad tidings".

Here are some of Jesus' completed "missions":

Jesus the Christ, The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True God-Man...
CHANGED the world because of HIS "works" / words / missions:
1. Message...spiritually true WORDS

2. Miracles...spiritual and super-natural ACTS to AUTHENTICATE His message AND:

3. Prophesies...spiritual fore-sight

4. Teaching...of spiritual principles, sometimes in parables

5. Preaching...the Law and interpreting it, adding precepts, warning unbelievers

6. Ministry...a perfect example to follow...sin free

Matthew 20:28
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

1 Corinthians 15:3... Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,

1 Peter 3:18...substitutional atonement
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (JESUS) for the unjust (US),
so that He might bring us to God,(RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh, (bloody Cross)but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)

Q1: What is the meaning (of the) word 'Manifested'?

"appeared" ...Greek 5319...phaneroo...to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown, to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way

Q2: Who was 'manifested'?
A2: Jesus the God-Man,The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True DEITY...True MAN.

Great stuff! Now will you please answer my question....if you choose not to that is fine

 

[Ron Gurley]

Q: are we saved if we believe in The Gospel taught by Paul in 1cor15:1-4 ?
A: no

MY Q:
Are we saved if we believe in the FACTS of the Apostle's Creed? John 3? Ephesians 2?

 

[mark kennedy]

Willful sin sends Christians to a burning hell!!! Burning Christians You Tube.

I don't see a link but I looked it up on YouTube, I assume you mean the Mario Martinez video where he describes his vision of hell. The reasons were things like teens being disobedient to parents, Pastors who don't teach tithing, lazy Christians who didn't want to do anything for God. He describes the flames being higher for Christians and demons sexually attacking and torturing them.

It's a load of baloney. Hell is a holding cell, so to speak, that is apparently in the vicinity of the lake of fire. There is no indication that demons torture anyone only that they can suffer hunger and thirst and are somehow tormented by the flames. I think he has an over active imagination.

Now professing Christians can go to Hell but they were never in Christ in the first place. On the last day Jesus will tell them, Depart from me you that work lawlessness, I never knew you.

 

[Ron Gurley]

There are only two spiritually judged categories:

Believers and UN-Believers
Sheep and goats
Saved and natural
Born again/changed from above and spiritually dead
Children of God and wicked
RE: spiritual reponse to God's Call/Draw....Accept and Reject
Adopted Son and stranger
ETC and ETC

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Q: are we saved if we believe in The Gospel taught by Paul in 1cor15:1-4 ?
A: no

MY Q:
Are we saved if we believe in the FACTS of the Apostle's Creed? John 3? Ephesians 2?

I am too lazy to look that stuff up....if they incorporate one seeing himself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour and Believing Jesus rose from the dead ,both ideas built- in to Paul’s Gospel....or “ Lord Jesus have mercy on me a sinner” or believing the promise that “ anybody that asks to be saved will be saved”, they are Biblical and will get the job done.They all share a common point—— a contrite heart. That’s the starting point of Christianity......without that one has made Christianity a mere religion and a waste of time.

 

[Ron Gurley]

RE: " contrite heart "

Psalm 51:17 (All NASB)
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus says the high and exalted One Who lives forever, whose name is Holy, “I dwell on a high and holy place, And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit In order to revive the spirit of the lowly And to revive the heart of the contrite.

Neither of these only two verses deals with salvation.

Contrite, ~="crushed," is only the superlative of "broken"; "a contrite heart" is "a heart broken to pieces.". In Holy Scripture, the heart is the seat of all feeling, whether joy or sorrow. A contrite heart is one in which the natural pride and self-sufficiency have been completely humbled by the consciousness of guilt.

REF: Topical Bible: Contrite

What does it mean to be contrite? What is contrition?

Nor is REPENT / REPENTANCE a pre-requisite to salvation UNLESS understood to be a turn TOWARDS God's spiritual calling / drawing and AWAY from self, world,evil spirit beings.

Is it not this simple??:

Acts 2:21
‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Romans 10:13
for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.