Christianity... and the fact of evolution

[SpiritRehab]

If evolution is one of the strongest explanatory theories in any academic field, I mean, the evidence is simply overwhelming, how do Christians reconcile this?

Hi Indent, here are the reasons I don't believe in Evolution:

1st. I have had 16 years of supernatural interactions with the One True God and have learned through experiencing Him, that I can 100% rely on His word. Since I believe that the Bible is His word, I trust Him over men, who I believe are lying about a their interpretation of evidence.

BUT I also have Scientific reasons for why I don't believe in Evolution:

2nd. There are Scientists who believe in Creation, who have published evidences for Creation and evidences against Evolution. Here's a YouTube Playlist, of a television science program called Origins. It covers many fields of science, from DNA, to Physics, to Astronomy, to Archaeology, as it is related to Creation & Evolution.

3rd. There has been a history of lies, by Scientists in the field of Evolution, detailed in this YouTube video, "Lies in the Textbooks," Most popular, Humans & Chimps share approximately 60% same DNA, not 98%.

4th. Simple Logic.

A. The Earth is not old enough to give rise to 8 million species.

Let's pretend the Earth is 3 Billion Years Old. Biologists say there are 8 Million different species on Earth today. That would require an average of a new Species every 375 years; without including all the Species that have gone extinct and all the natural disasters that would have happened in 3 Billion Years. Of Course, if Evolution were true, it would start of slow and ramp up, as more & more species & breeding pairs enter the equation. So at first, it may have been 1 new species every 100,000 years, but now we should be observing the evolution of new species every 10 years or so. But the simple Fact is, we have never observed any known species, give rise to a new species, through successive generations of breeding; over the past 3,000 years of recorded history.

B. Random Forces Cannot create Info and Info Systems. It's Impossible.

Across every field of Science, this truth is recognized as a Fact, except among Evolutionists. DNA is a nano-scale digital information storage device. YouTube Video. BUT DNA, is only part of the Gene System, which includes molecular machines which read, write, cut, transport, copy, paste & repair DNA. YouTube Video 1. YouTube Video 2.

I had a couple other reasons, but I can't remember them right now. It's been a while since I was involved in the Evolution discussion. Anyway, please take time to seriously consider these issues.

Scientists are just men and men lie, especially if paid to.
Christianity is not the dominant religion on Earth.
Luciferianism is and one of their core methods of domination, is to horde truth and teach the general population lies; because knowledge is power and advancement requires an understanding of the truth.

Be sure Luciferians haven't pulled the wool over your eyes, regarding your origin & destiny, with the God who loves you enough to die for you.

If you're interested, ask me about the Gospel Message. I'd be happy to explain how Salvation Works and why God chose to die, in order to save us.

Thanks for reading

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The presumption that evolution is fact is one of the greatest contrived myths of our time. It has been repeated so long and often, many simply assume it is true. But,, the fact is evolution has become little more than a theology without a shred of real evidence"

Of course there is abundant evidence for evolution. Only some refuse to see it and acknowledge it as evidence.

· Every proposed “ape-man” fossil has been discredited or exposed as a fabrication or outright hoax. Not only is all demonstrable fossil evidence missing, so is any evidence of millions of transitional species.

Here's a whole wikipedia article on transitional species that have been found and documented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

The “big bang, natural selection, survival of the fittest” and other ‘bolt-on accessories designed to prop-up evolution, have all failed to explain the reality of nature, scientific evidence and the lack of explanation for where the energy, light and other resources came from in the first place.

Huh? What has that to do with a discussion of the biological fact of evolution? Regardless of your low opinion of the state of explanation for the existance and origin of our universe, you have to admit our universe exists and therefore had an origin, and scientists who work on the history of life instead of the history of the universe can be excused for taking that for granted in their professional life.

All actual proof overwhelming supports the Bible and God’s creation

Your opinion is duly noted, wrong as it is.

Every creature reproduces after its own kind

That phrase might be worth something if creationists could come up with a rigourous definition of what a kind actually is; in the current situation, without a definition, it is meaningless.

DNA/Chromosome evidence proves man is a separate species

The common coding of dna across multiple species is yet another argument FOR evolution.

Think about it for a moment. How many people who blindly claim the “incontrovertible evidence of evolution” really understand the science? Instead, they rely on sound bytes coming out of the evolutionary community – defending an indefensible position.

Those who study and truly understand the science become evolutionists . . . its the logical way to go. Those who do not wind up in both camps as circumstances allow. It is practically impossible to find a creationist who understands the science of evolution, and this means the arguments they bring against evolution are very often full of nonsense.

The illusion of evolution is that “time magically erases the barrier between nothing and something, and between rocks and living things.” Many still cling to the illusion that “time makes impossible things possible,” because they have ruled-out God, yet still need a plausible explanation for their own existence!

Gee, what science paper did you read and find that quote "time magically erases the barrier?" Seems to me the real theory of evolution talks about things like reproduction, struggles for existence, mutations, natural selection, sexual selection, small changes that add up over time . . . . admittedly it does take a long, long, time as well, but time is not the only thing involved!

If you don’t believe me, here are just a few quotes from reputable, credible scientists who are not necessarily Christians:

Accepting things on the authority of another is not the way science is done. Science is accepted on the evidence, not on the authority.

The biggest false claim against evolution that is cited over and over again is the idea of lack of transitionals. This in spite of the fact that new transitional species are discovered time and time again. One might ask . . . how many more transitional species, if discovered, would succeed in convincing the creationists that evolution happened after all? We all know the answer is, none will ever be sufficient. Whenever a new fossil is discovered that fills a gap, they will simply announce two new gaps on either side of that fossil. In their view, the number of increasing gaps created that way is simply more and more proof evolution is false.

Its really a faith thing for them to oppose evolution. They will carry that opposition to their graves. Should our Lord tarry, it is their grandchildren and great grandchildren that will carry on the Christian religion while accepting evolution.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

The issue I have with evolution from a biblical viewpoint is that for evolution to be a reality, there has to be death, a lot of death. In order for the 'fittest' to survive and produce offspring assumes that the less fit are not surviving and not reproducing.
According to God's revelation to mankind, death did not enter into the picture until the fall of Adam, at which point all the animals after their kinds had already been created.
Since Christ's victory over death is one of the central tenets of the Gospel, I cannot see how that squares with evolution.

The worse thing the theory of evolution, at least Darwin's original idea, was that it introduced the concept of "survival of the fittest". Social Darwinism is truly an evil of the modern mind, and I've seen many a believers in Christ who support it.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Hello Jamie.

Excellent post, believing in Jesus Christ is what the entire revelation is
all about. A deep trust in Jesus from the moment you believe, until the
day you die, that's what matters. Insignificant differences in the Gospel
accounts, do not undermine the Majesty and Glory of Jesus Christ.

I am discussing small and insignificant aspects of the Gospels. This has no
bearing on the reconciliation that Jesus granted to humanity, none whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fundamentalist, Bible bashing, fanatic. I just
do not accept, that every single line in the scripture is handwritten by God.
These small differences have no impact on any Christian doctrine.

Exactly. We can see the different personalities shining through the narratives. The human writers were not mere tape recorders.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You can call it whatever you like. The NT references by Jesus and Paul to the creation of Adam & Eve do not in the slightest indicate the account is anything but factual. The OT is understood through the lens of the NT ... and that is where your argument fails.

There is another lens by which to understand scripture, and that is the lens of the physical reality of this world.

Sure, the sun is said to rise and set, but we understand that is merely speaking according to the subjective appearance ever since the days of Copernicus, Gallileo, Newton and such.

The faith based opposition to the new understanding is a documented part of our history and is a lasting shame on the church.

The understanding of the deep time history of our earth and the biological fact of evolution simply requires we interpret our scriptures in the new light of this knowledge.

The faith based opposition to the new understanding is again a shame on the church and those who perpetuate it will have to answer to the Creator as to why they refused to acknowledge the plain facts He left us in His creation that allow us to see more and more of its history. Many of them will be able to plead having been honestly mislead by those they trusted. Others . . . . will not.

 

[Indent]

To dismiss evolution (in such a way as seen in this thread), is to fail to be honest.

I agree there is another lens in which to approach and view the scripture. It makes little difference whether I'm dogmatic on creation or evolution, it changes little when it comes to living out a God-centred life, it's just a matter of principle of being honest.

The evidence is overwhelming. It's not going away.

 

[Indent]

The worse thing the theory of evolution, at least Darwin's original idea, was that it introduced the concept of "survival of the fittest". Social Darwinism is truly an evil of the modern mind, and I've seen many a believers in Christ who support it.

You know Darwin isn't the end all of be all of evolution?

I don't understand why Christians are fixated on Darwin. I rarely, if ever, even mention Darwin.

There's been a lot of developments since Darwin's time, and secondly, the concept of "survival of the fittest" should not be conflated with evolution. You realize that cooperation and kindness can be fitted into the evolution narrative?

 

[AV1611VET]

To dismiss evolution (in such a way as seen in this thread), is to fail to be honest.

What's evolution doing anyway ... besides causing others to abandon their faith?

Which was here first? evolution or creation?

Did Adam believe in evolution? Noah? Abraham? Moses?

It wasn't until Darwin wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races that evolution became a dangerous alternative.

 

[Indent]

What's evolution doing anyway ... besides causing others to abandon their faith?

Which was here first? evolution or creation?

Did Adam believe in evolution? Noah? Abraham? Moses?

It wasn't until Darwin wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races that evolution became a viable alternative.

You sure evolution is "causing others to abandon their faith"...? Because it seems to me there are a lot of Christians that accept evolution. There are a lot of scientists that believe evolution and God.

The so-called "Biblical" Christians like to create a false dichotomies, faith OR evolution (evolution or creation), where church is not a safe space to have these kinds of conversations. There are Christians that abandon the church because of poor attitudes towards science and evolution, in particular.

You want to talk about "abandoning faith", let's take a hard look at our youth.

If anything, a fair engagement with evolution should strengthen Christian faith, and it's entirely possible that people will actually walk away with a robust and sensible framework for which to approach life and faith.

Christianity and evolution are compatible, as I've said before, it comes down to hermeneutics.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

You know Darwin isn't the end all of be all of evolution?

I don't understand why Christians are fixated on Darwin. I rarely, if ever, even mention Darwin.

There's been a lot of developments since Darwin's time, and secondly, the concept of "survival of the fittest" should not be conflated with evolution. You realize that cooperation and kindness can be fitted into the evolution narrative?

Just as a harlot can continue to entice and wink and smile and kiss a believer all the way to hell. She's only working for a living and nice enough, what harm can there be keeping time with her?
(same logic)

 

[Geralt]

the first error really is to define it as fact. these are after all theories, correlations, probabilities, estimates, empirical, etc.. what is missing are actual eyewitnesses and true historical record. unfortunately scientists looks in the past thousand or millions of years like they were actually there. no one has, no one ever will. so at best it will just be back projections from the science and data we have today, and therefore no complete certainty whatsoever. it's all guess-estimates.

the second error is the hidden implied conclusion that jesus himself possibly evolved from a bacteria. no one is saying it, but remove all the arguments, that's basically the conclusion. God created building blocks of microbes (not real persons) which evolved into a sentient being after millions of years of evolution and eimination and they reproduced, and it just so happen one of them became jesus.
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There is another lens by which to understand scripture, and that is the lens of the physical reality of this world.

Sure, the sun is said to rise and set, but we understand that is merely speaking according to the subjective appearance ever since the days of Copernicus, Gallileo, Newton and such.

The faith based opposition to the new understanding is a documented part of our history and is a lasting shame on the church.

The understanding of the deep time history of our earth and the biological fact of evolution simply requires we interpret our scriptures in the new light of this knowledge.

The faith based opposition to the new understanding is again a shame on the church and those who perpetuate it will have to answer to the Creator as to why they refused to acknowledge the plain facts He left us in His creation that allow us to see more and more of its history. Many of them will be able to plead having been honestly mislead by those they trusted. Others . . . . will not.

 

[Indent]

Just as a harlot can continue to entice and wink and smile and kiss a believer all the way to hell. She's only working for a living and nice enough, what harm can there be keeping time with her?
(same logic)

This is nonsense.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

This is nonsense.

And you are so wise...I paraphrased Scripture but you are wiser than Scripture?
I Corinthians 1:18-21:
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

 

[AV1611VET]

You sure evolution is "causing others to abandon their faith"...?

Yes.

One of the basic tenets of the philosophy of evolution is that we are Homo sapiens ... wise men.

And Paul warns us that calling ourselves "wise" can lead to atheism.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Because it seems to me there are a lot of Christians that accept evolution.

One can't leave Christianity unless one joins Christianity first.

There are a lot of scientists that believe evolution and God.

Those of the Linnaean persuasion don't realize that their brand of "wise" comes from the word "wizard," and witches believe in God; so why wouldn't their followers do the same?

1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

 

[AV1611VET]

20 Where is the wise person?

They're all over everywhere today.

Paying off their plastic* educations.

And attacking every jot & tittle of the Bible.

* Visa and Master Card

 

[Hallstone]

If evolution is one of the strongest explanatory theories in any academic field, I mean, the evidence is simply overwhelming, how do Christians reconcile this?

What about the Biblical scholars that generally dismiss Genesis as a "historical" representation... but rather "myth" (however you want to define that)?

I understand I'm courting "controversy" here, but I'd genuinely like to hear this, supposedly, untouchable theological answer.

Peter was trying to help us understand that God is not bound by time when he said:
2Pe 3:8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

If we examine this statement as a ratio then it helps us realize what Gods' tremendous power and intelligence is. If one day is like a thousand years to God, or rather one day is like 365,000 days, then one year is like 365,000 years, or continuing the ratio, 6000 years would be like 2.19 billion years, Its apparent that Peter understood more about God 2000 years ago than all of the scholastic people that exist now. If God chose to create a universe that appears to be billions of years old in just 6 literal days to test mankind, then it appears that most of mankind has indeed failed the test, which is what was foretold to begin with. So trying to convince people to accept something by faith when they perceive spiritual things as being foolish appears to be impossible, but all things are possible with God so there are some that will understand and believe, and escape this world and all its lies.

 

[Indent]

Yes.

One of the basic tenets of the philosophy of evolution is that we are Homo sapiens ... wise men.

And Paul warns us that calling ourselves "wise" can lead to atheism.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

One can't leave Christianity unless one joins Christianity first.

Those of the Linnaean persuasion don't realize that their brand of "wise" comes from the word "wizard," and witches believe in God; so why wouldn't their followers do the same?

1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

I might contract cancer continuing to visit this thread.

I treat evolution as a science, not a "philosophy." This is more incoherent gibberish. It's an attempt to demote the fact of evolution, and I'm not interested in confining evolution to a space chalked up a select group of fundamentalist Christian.

The failure to properly minister to people = people leaving the church.

 

[dad]

The fact that there is a progressive similarity in design from animal to human seems to persuade some people that it must have been caused by evolution.

In some cases, they may be right. But if the starting assumption is that there is no God or creation, then they have no idea where to stop or start. Their ideas become a religion.

 

[Armoured]

The worse thing the theory of evolution, at least Darwin's original idea, was that it introduced the concept of "survival of the fittest". Social Darwinism is truly an evil of the modern mind, and I've seen many a believers in Christ who support it.

Social Darwinism isn't biological evolution.

 

[Armoured]

Hi Indent, here are the reasons I don't believe in Evolution:

1st. I have had 16 years of supernatural interactions with the One True God and have learned through experiencing Him, that I can 100% rely on His word. Since I believe that the Bible is His word, I trust Him over men, who I believe are lying about a their interpretation of evidence.

BUT I also have Scientific reasons for why I don't believe in Evolution:

2nd. There are Scientists who believe in Creation, who have published evidences for Creation and evidences against Evolution. Here's a YouTube Playlist, of a television science program called Origins. It covers many fields of science, from DNA, to Physics, to Astronomy, to Archaeology, as it is related to Creation & Evolution.

3rd. There has been a history of lies, by Scientists in the field of Evolution, detailed in this YouTube video, "Lies in the Textbooks," Most popular, Humans & Chimps share approximately 60% same DNA, not 98%.

4th. Simple Logic.

A. The Earth is not old enough to give rise to 8 million species.

Let's pretend the Earth is 3 Billion Years Old. Biologists say there are 8 Million different species on Earth today. That would require an average of a new Species every 375 years; without including all the Species that have gone extinct and all the natural disasters that would have happened in 3 Billion Years. Of Course, if Evolution were true, it would start of slow and ramp up, as more & more species & breeding pairs enter the equation. So at first, it may have been 1 new species every 100,000 years, but now we should be observing the evolution of new species every 10 years or so. But the simple Fact is, we have never observed any known species, give rise to a new species, through successive generations of breeding; over the past 3,000 years of recorded history.

B. Random Forces Cannot create Info and Info Systems. It's Impossible.

Across every field of Science, this truth is recognized as a Fact, except among Evolutionists. DNA is a nano-scale digital information storage device. YouTube Video. BUT DNA, is only part of the Gene System, which includes molecular machines which read, write, cut, transport, copy, paste & repair DNA. YouTube Video 1. YouTube Video 2.

I had a couple other reasons, but I can't remember them right now. It's been a while since I was involved in the Evolution discussion. Anyway, please take time to seriously consider these issues.

Scientists are just men and men lie, especially if paid to.
Christianity is not the dominant religion on Earth.
Luciferianism is and one of their core methods of domination, is to horde truth and teach the general population lies; because knowledge is power and advancement requires an understanding of the truth.

Be sure Luciferians haven't pulled the wool over your eyes, regarding your origin & destiny, with the God who loves you enough to die for you.

If you're interested, ask me about the Gospel Message. I'd be happy to explain how Salvation Works and why God chose to die, in order to save us.

Thanks for reading

speciation is fractal branched, not linear.