Christian Wicca

[Atomagenesis]

Because it is not only talking about the Bible but also speaking about the sacraments and the way that the Mass is to be performed. The Bible was not even put together until around the year 400, so obviously they had to have used the tradition orally to spread the gospel of Christ, including the way to perform sacraments to other ordained apostles. I am not discounting the bible as being incredibly important to Christianity but their is more to Christianity than just the bible, and I'm sure you would agree.

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Question, how do you know the bible isnt this "tradition" since that tradition in the bible means


a giving over which is done by word of mouth or in writing

Exactly! The Bible is part of the sacred Tradition

 

[Atomagenesis]

yes exactly!

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Evidently some people are still under the (mistaken) impression that Wicca=witchcraft. Christian Wiccans have Jesus as part of their pantheon, & they respect him greatly. Wiccans don't conduct "ceremonies of satan", & neither do Christian Wiccans , neither do they prophecy in Jesus' name or "cast out demons".
*sigh*

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Now that I think of it, Empero Julian, aka the Apostate, a pagan, hadJesus in his pantheon together with Julius Caesar, but that did not make him a Christian.

People do have a right, nay a DUTY, to follow their own conscience, though.

 

[Cerridwen]

Dear crybabyblue

I see nothing evil in wicca, even though I have to confess as it is a mostly american movement I only know about it through the net. That said they are not in the fullness of the Truth; translation I disagree with them.

I feel they are missing a point. Christianity is not about accepting Jesus like when you join up a club, but to accept Jesus means to put your trust completely and only in Him. They are putting they their trust in that spells too.

Hope that helps.

Hey~

Just an FYI, Wicca is not an "American movement". Wicca was born in Europe, then came to America a few years later. Wicca is not about "spells". Spells are a tool that we can use, but not a tool that is necessary to be Wiccan.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

 

[ravenwolf]

I see nothing evil in wicca, even though I have to confess as it is a mostly american movement I only know about it through the net. That said they are not in the fullness of the Truth; translation I disagree with them.

Actually Wicca started in Europe in the early 1950's and then came to america in the 60's.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

 

[Cerridwen]

For clarification purposes (you know I love ya, Raven ), Witchcraft Today was published in 1951, however, Gardner wrote two previous books during the '40s (under the guise of "fiction"), so one could assume that Wicca began in the '40s (I know, not that much earlier, but I'm weird like that, lol). Also, according to Gardner, his initiation took place in 1939. Wicca did indeed come to America with Alex Sanders in the 1960s.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Well never seen them nor heard of them in real life... You mean Europe like the UK? Because they are pretty up to themselves...

 

[Cerridwen]

According to research, the first "official" Wiccan coven was established in Bricket Wood, a small village between the London suburbs of St Albans & Watford. I've had friends who traveled out to London & then brought back hundreds of pictures from occult shops & Witchy sites. The pics are very cool, & from their description, it wasn't difficult at all to find fellow Pagans & Witches about.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Oh well, but it is still an anglic thing mostly after all. I don't mean anything wrong towards britons, but they are different to most Europeans...

 

[ByGrace]

You clearly have not much knowledge of Catholicism.

Mary was a virgin her whole life and was sinless. She was conceived without original sin, and was born in the same state that Adam and Eve were before the fall. .

I think the Bible clearly refutes this. If Mary (who I am very excited to get to meet btw) was a virgin her whole life then many passages of scripture are wrong. She had children and they were the siblings of Christ. Her husband did not "know her" until AFTER Jesus was born that Christ could be born of a virgin. Mary was a woman with sin and the need for a redeemer. She found that redeemer in the One she called Son. The very idea that has been espoused that Mary is "co-redeemer" with Jesus is evil. I am sure she cringes every time she hears herself being talked about in such a way.

 

[ByGrace]

This is not worshipping, by the way, and is a dogma of faith for everyone. Those who deny it go, in this respect, against God Himself.

This is NOT my dogma. This is not the Gospel I know from the pages of the Holy Bible and it is actually you and all that believe such fallacies that go against God by denying what He has revealed to you in His Word.

 

[ByGrace]

You need to accept Sacred Tradition for that.
And seeing that you do accept the authority of Sacred Tradition, or else you wouldn't even have a Bible with the books you do, here are some good links:
http://www.catholic.com/library/mary_saints.asp

If you say you don't accept Sacred Tradition and the authority of the Church Fathers, then your faith is based on a contradiction, and there is no point in having any further discussion, for who accepts contradiction accepts anything.


Are you kidding me?
Those "Mary's children" lists have been refuted a thousand times.


You don't believe in original sin? Oh dear...!

Sacred Tradition means NOTHING when it is clearly in opposition to the Word of God. You can have a pope say something. A mormon can have a "prophet" say something, a jw can have a tower say something. It doesnt make it true. Tradition also says that the Communion actually turns into blood and flesh but I think we could pretty easily show this to be wrong under a microscope.

Again, faulty doctrines do not prove anything more then someone wanted to make their faulty doctrines work so they denied Mary having kids. You can point out a thousand websites and Catholic intelligences but it does not change the fact that the Bible says she was a mother of other children.

Yes, I do agree, we are all born into sin. Including Mary.

 

[ByGrace]

I am aware that mainstream Christian religions don't believe that Jesus was married. And no, Mormons don't believe he had any wives. They have just as much claim to Christianity as you do-I'm sure you'd realize that if you'd read up on what they actually believe.

It is interesting to think about, however...since Jesus up & disappeared for 18 years of his life, that he could have married someone.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

I am an ex-mormon and I can tell you clearly that mormonism is not Christian. I have been through the temple and all other rites of mormonism and it is NOT the same thing.

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

The Sacred Tradition, agrees with the Bible and it is the Word of God. You might not like the Catholic interpretation, but I am going to stick to it. It was us, the Churches who can trace its way back to the Apostles, the ones who wrote the Bible, the ones who established the canon of its books and it was our monks the ones who copied it down century after century.

There are no souls to be found under a microscope. No hope of an after life in science. Nothing that truly matters in Christianity can be proven. Is the host just bread, are you just meat, the same meat of a sinner and with the same hope of a dog? Are the angels dreams? God just an idea?

Sus in cer este patria mea. High in heaven is my fatherland. But wait nobody has found heaven with a telescope.

How come I feel more love from pagans than from christians? And now somebody we'll say catholics are pagan and that we worship Mary and will pretend to know better than me what I believe.

Lasa mea in pace.

La revedere.

 

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Just for the information.

As for the Catholic Church is concerned, wiccans could be in heaven, if essentially by not fault of their own, are unaware that Christianity is the truth and live accordinigly to the natural law that is present in the hearts of everyone.

 

[Refuge]

"Christian Wicca"?
The Ultimate Oxymoron!



© Spotlight Ministries, Vincent McCann, 2003




In recent times, with the gaining popularity of the Wiccan and neo-pagan religions, there have been some attempts to reconcile Wicca with Christianity. For example, Wiccan authors, Tony and Eileen Grist claim:

"It is also possible to be a Wiccan and a Christian who goes to church regularly". (Tony and Eileen Grist, Illustrated Guide to Wicca, p. 13).​

Some have even coined the questionable term "Christian Wicca". Is such a position really possible? While it is certainly important that Christians and Wiccans dialogue and are respectful to each other as human beings, we should not try and fool ourselves into thinking that Christianity and Wicca are in any way complementary. It is simply not honest to declare otherwise, as the key differences are just too vast. This brief outline points out some significant differences between Wicca and Christianity to demonstrate the reasons why they are clearly not compatible.

• The majority of Wiccans do not believe in a Heaven or a Hell but instead hold to reincarnation. The Bible teaches that we die but once then face judgement (Heb. 9:27).
• Most Wiccans believe in many god's (Polytheism). Christians believe in only one true God (Monotheism).
• Wiccans believe truth is relative and that there are no absolutes. Christianity is built on absolute truth (e.g. Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life..." John 14:6).
• Wiccans do not accept the sinful nature of humanity or the need of salvation, but rather see a spark of the Divine in all people. Christianity teaches that all people are sinners in need of salvation (e.g. Rom. 3:23; 6:23).
• Wiccans do not believe Satan exists. However, Jesus clearly viewed him as a personal being. To deny the reality of Satan is to make Christ out to be a liar. The Bible ascribes the following personal attributes to Satan: He speaks (Job 1:6-2:1-5; Matt 4:1-11); he has a will (1 Chron. 21:1; Luke 22:31; 1 Thess. 2:18; 2 Tim. 2:26); he tempts (Matt. 4:1-11; 1 Cor. 7:5); and he oppressors people (Acts 10:38), all characteristics that we would expect from a personal being, not a symbol or abstract force.
• Most Wiccans tend to view the Bible as unreliable and inaccurate in parts. The vast majority of Christians view the Bible as reliable and trustworthy.
• Wicca tends to view most sexual orientations as normal and natural: heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual. Although there are some liberal wings in the Church that also teaches this, the vast majority of Christians throughout history utterly reject this as being at odds with the plain reading of Scripture (e.g. Romans 1:18-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:9-10). Sexual relations are to be between a man and a woman.
• Jesus was from a thoroughly Jewish background, grounded in the Old Testament, which utterly condemns most of the occult practices of modern day Wiccans (e.g. Deut. 18:10-12; Lev. 19:26; 2 Kings:17:10-17; 2 Chron. 33:6).
• Most Wiccans view the Divine as female (the goddess). Wiccans do worship a male god as well, but the emphasis is by far upon the "goddess". Although Christians do not believe that God is a 'He' in the sense that He is a male creature, we have to address God in some way. God transcends human sexuality. However, Christians follow Christ's example by calling God "Father" (e.g. the Lords prayer - "This is how you should pray. Our Father who art in heaven..."). There is no evidence that He called God a goddess.

 

[Crispie]

Refuge, bravo...bravo.

 

[Refuge]

Vince McCann gets the credit for the GREAT article!

 

[Cerridwen]

Oh Ugh...Spotlight Ministries....the same ones who like to perpetuate the MYTH (read= bovine excrement) of the "lord of death, samhan". Ridiculous. Almost as bad a the old Chickster & his moronic stories.

Nevermind the fact that the majority of the article isn't even true, especially the last part.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*