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Christian Universalism. What's not to like?

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Der Alte

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I'm not sure what you expect me to say. I just see Christ very differently than you.
You claim that a loving, forgiving, benevolent etc. God would not, could not punish anyone forever.
-Where was the loving, forgiving, benevolent God when He killed thousands; men, women children, infants, old, young etc. except for Noah and his family?
-Where was the loving, forgiving, benevolent God when He killed thousands; men, women children, infants, old, young etc. except for Lot and his family.
-Where was the loving, forgiving, benevolent God when He commanded the nation Israel to invade Canaan and kill every living thing?
-Why didn't the loving, forgiving, benevolent God just forgive them as you believe he will forgive all the evil people at judgement day?
 
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Your questions are loaded. The truth is, He didn't commit the crimes you are accusing Him of. As I said, I see Jesus very differently than you.and I don't know how to engage with you at all. I think the best strategy is to.agree to disagree.

Edit: typo correction.
 
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The pagan Romans wrought on Jerusalem in 70 AD - Jesus the Christ did not do it, but He warned the inhabitants of the city of what the future held for them. It was their own fault.

I see this as no different than when He previously wielded Assyria against Israel. It was their own fault then too but also a judgment. Matthew 24 details it and uses similar language to the judgments of God on a nation/city in the OT except applied to Jesus. But this is not an eschatology thread...
 
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Please show me where I used the word "crime?"
I summarized two instances when God, Himself, destroyed thousands of people first with water, the second with fire and when God commanded the nation of Israel to invade Canaan and kill every living thing. In all three events: men, women, children, infants, old, young were killed.
Genesis 6:13 - Genesis 7:23 Genesis 19:24-29, Numbers 21:3 Numbers 34-35 et al.,
You have read the OT haven't you?
 
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I refer you to the post I sent some moments ago. We see Jesus so differently that it's best to agree to disagree. I don't know how I can say that more clearly.
1 Peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:​
Do as you will but that will not deter me from pointing out error where ever, when ever I see it. Which as I have observed will be often.
 
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You speak like a Fundamentalist. Have you always been Catholic? Do you watch a lot of Christian TV?
 
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You speak like a Fundamentalist. Have you always been Catholic? Do you watch a lot of Christian TV?

How do I speak like a Fundamentalist? That is incredibly vague to me. I have not always been Catholic and I do not watch a lot of Christian TV, or really any.
 
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Jesus died to save us FROM on our sin ..... not IN our sin.

When one receives Jesus then through the Holy Spirit He will help them to overcome sin .... this is a life-long process. We will stumble and fall at times bust Jesus is always there to help us get up and begin again.

God is not a monster .... God is love.

Love is putting others before self of which Jesus (who is God) did. John 3:16

His Word is quite clear .... some will be saved .... some will be lost.
 
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Jesus died to save us FROM on our sin ..... not IN our sin.
Is there such a thing as non-Christians who try to live righteous lives, and perhaps try to worship God with the wrong image? Do they deserve an infinity of torment?

But ECT advocates repeatedly said that "human" logic has no place in their thinking.
 
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His Word is quite clear

If that was true, why do we have equally intelligent and informed scholars still arguing about it some 2,000 years on?
 
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Will everyone who passes from this life have the opportunity to either accept or reject Christ? (since that is your criteria for salvation)

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You might find this interesting.

Edom
Edom was an ancient kingdom in Transjordan located between Moab to the northeast, the Arabah to the west and the Arabian Desert to the south and east. Most of its former territory is now divided between Israel and Jordan.

The destruction of Edom uses the same exaggerated language descriptions as hell in the Bible. Yet none of it lasted forever as it clearly says. And you can certainly pass through it today. For this prophecy to be taken literally it would need to be a smoking tar pit today with a bypass to get around it.

Isaiah 34:8-11
For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
a year of retribution, to uphold Zion’s cause.
9 Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch,
her dust into burning sulfur;
her land will become blazing pitch!
10 It will not be quenched night or day;
its smoke will rise forever.
From generation to generation it will lie desolate;
no one will ever pass through it again.
11 The desert owl and screech owl will possess it;
the great owl and the raven will nest there.
God will stretch out over Edom
the measuring line of chaos
and the plumb line of desolation.
 
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God is not a monster .... God is love.

Love is putting others before self of which Jesus (who is God) did. John 3:16

His Word is quite clear .... some will be saved .... some will be lost.
The beginning of your quote above says, "God is not a monster ...."
The end of your quote says, ".... some will be lost."

You also say, ".... God is love." and ".... some will be saved ...."
If God is love, why are only "some" being saved?
The balance of "some", is most. So, the claim that ".... some will be lost." is in error.
If only "some" are saved, then MOST will be lost. Is that love? (or poor planning?)

Explain what happens to those you say will be lost, in the context of God NOT being a monster.
 
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But ECT advocates repeatedly said that "human" logic has no place in their thinking.

They have to because if a person tortured another person it would be a crime. It's a very odd conception of God to believe that we have a higher moral standard for ourselves than God does of Himself.
 
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Will everyone who passes from this life have the opportunity to either accept or reject Christ? (since that is your criteria for salvation)

They have all the opportunity to accept Christ while living and awake. After one dies, the next thing that they are around for is the Great Judgement after Armegeddon. Nowhere in the bible does it make any time for argument or anything. We are awoken, taken before Christ, and if our names are written in the Lambs Book of Life we are saved. If not, we are thrown in the Lake of Fire. Whether for eternity or just to completely perish does not matter. What does matter is that nowhere in Revelation 20 nor in Revelation 21 does it say that they will only be burned for a little bit and then welcome into Heaven. It says that this punishment is the second death, the perishing that John 3:16 warns against. It's not "my criteria" it is the Bible's.
 
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They have all the opportunity to accept Christ while living and awake. ...
There are countless billions that have never so much as heard the name of Jesus Christ. What about them?
 
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How does that come remotely close to people being tormented for eternity?
 
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No, it's your interpretation of the Bible and one that isn't shared by many people who, I imagine, are as equally intelligent and informed as you and yet come to a totally different conclusion. Strange eh?
 
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