Christian Rock - Evil?

[Mankin]

Lyrics to Thornes. Also they don't try to hid being Christian although a few do. Some of them believe that you shouldn't put a stamp labeled Christian on something.

Bitter thoughts became your every waking breath
Save the nights your hollow dreams revealed the sweet release of death
In your thoughts you played a symphony of self
But your soul had bled a darker song of close to nothing left

Oh, The deliverance of blade and flame, your love
And greater is the blood

(Chorus
You’ll find it in the veil of night where solitude is born
In the emptiness of broken flesh, at the mercy of the thorns
You’ll find it in the veil of night where solitude is born
In the emptiness of broken flesh, at the mercy of the thorns

Every line a path into an empty heart
Where the words of now forgotten love fall silent in the dark

Oh, The deliverance of blade and flame, your love
And greater is the blood

(Chorus)

Sister, don’t you sleep through your own eulogy
Don’t sever what you are for what you couldn’t be

 

[NightEternal]

Demon Hunter is not overly blatant in their lyrics. Some Christian Metal groups are, some aren't. But there is enough there to get the drift where DH is coming from.

Personally, I like DH's approach. I prefer lyrics that make me think and explore the meaning rather than just spoonfeed me.

Here a few more DH lyrics with the writer's explanation of what each means:

1. Storm The Gates Of Hell

Broken teeth, a shattered jaw
Ten to one, behold my God
Wicked sons of Heaven’s loss
Raise your own inverted cross
Kings of earth, iron first
Serve the sacred you dismissed
Stand before your final day
Choke on every line you pray

Raise your glass to death
Not one second left

[Chorus:]
Wake the lifeless, die to fight this
Stand beside me, storm the gates of Hell
Wake the lifeless, die to fight this
Stand beside me, storm the gates of Hell
Storm the gates of Hell

Coward’s heart, a serpent’s tongue
Stand to face what you’ve outrun
Fear of death, fear of pain
Bound to all you took in vain
No more lies, no regrets
Sever ties and hollow debt
Open eyes, live to learn
Or watch your blessed temple burn

Raise your glass to death
Not one second left

[Chorus]

Hell hath no fury at all

[The lyrics for this song came to me when I was reading the Psalms. It talked about the “kings of the earth” and worldly rulers. My intention is to warn these people, in our day and age, to beware of the almighty power of God.

It also acts as a call for everyone who listens, to lay down their worldly cares, take up their swords, and fight with us against the evil and Godless powers of this world. To “storm the gates of Hell,” means to boldly stand in the face of adversity, and strike back against Satan’s deceitful ways.

Arise, O Lord! Deliver me, O my God! Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked.
-Psalms 3:7]

14. Grand Finale

You’ll find me face down, hands bound, ready for the blade to make me two
If judgment falls to meet this ground, that fate will run me through
No day of wrath will see me break for that faithless breath of shame
When the heretics come to make that list, be true to speak my name

Leave all you see
The curse of man is dead, the hourglass turned on its head
And every care will fade away
To wake a new day

[Chorus:]
Take every throe within us all
The very breath inside our soul
We bleed the life into your hold
The very death of our control

No man can bring a fatal sting and I laugh at the gallows thrall
Just line it tight around my neck so my words will break that fall
Fall

Leave all you see
The curse of man is dead, the hourglass turned on its head
And every care will fade away
To wake a new day

[Chorus]

That final day will fall
And those who curse the sky will face the earth
The many turn to one
The God of Gods’ own righteous son
Begging for that second birth

[Chorus]

[This song is fairly self-explanatory. It’s essentially about the end times and about the assurance that my soul is safe no matter what may happen in this world. I speak about being bold and standing strong for Christ against adversity. I warn those who stand against God that they will one day be faced with judgment.

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2: 9-11]

12. The Wrath Of God

Tear at the voice inside
Dig a deeper tomb and all the self can finally resonate, resonate, resonate, resonate
Tread on the path of pride
You can be the god and let the faith become your enemy, enemy, enemy, enemy

Breathe redemption into wasted life
Closer, closer
Find the wrath of God inside your eyes
Closer, closer

[Chorus:]
Breathe deep
And as the fear before you falls
I know the pain is so unsettling
Breathe deep
So now you’ve built a thousand walls
But in the end it’s all unraveling

Stand with a worthless sign
Wave it in the path of every face you cannot tolerate, tolerate, tolerate, tolerate

Breathe redemption into wasted life
Closer, closer
Find the wrath of God inside your eyes
Closer, closer

[Chorus]

This is the last day that you will regret
Wake from your sleep and never forget
This is the last day that you will regret
Closer, closer

[Chorus]

Closer, closer, closer, closer

[Unintentionally, The Wrath Of God almost acts as a sequel to Fiction Kingdom. The song essentially begs the listener to wake from their spiritual coma, and live in reverence of God and his power.

I aim these lyrics at those who live their lives for themselves, with no care for their own spiritual welfare. I ask them to evaluate their place in this life and to open their eyes to God’s presence.

You can ignore God, but that doesn’t make him disappear. Your choice to disbelieve doesn’t change God’s objective presence.

Yet because the wicked do not fear God, it will not go well with them, and their days will not lengthen like a shadow.
-Ecclesiastes 8: 13]

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[NightEternal]

Does the William Tell Overture make you feel romatic thoughts towards your girl? If not, why not?

As far as drawing a comparison between rock and pornography, I remember a few years back, at some music awards show, the "hubbub" that was created when one female artist, I believe it was "Madonna" (how odd a name) liplocked a couple of other fermale performers, namely Britany Spears and Christina Aguilera.

Would that qualify as some type of "pornography?" If not, why not?

Since it is Christian artists we are discussing, this is a moot point. The image, lyrics and behavior some artists portray in the secular music industry obviously has pornographic elements. Prince comes to mind.

However, the implication from Jim seems to be that music itself is being being placed on the same moral level as pornography. As if musical notes in and of themselves had sinful, immoral properties.

This is why I said the premise was absurd.

 

[RND]

Since it is Christian artists we are discussing, this is a moot point. The image and behavior some artists portray in the secular music industry obviously has pornographic elements. Prince comes to mind.

Interesting. Prince grew-up SDA BTW.

However, the implication from Jim seems to be that music itself is being being placed on the same moral level as pornography. As if musical notes in and of themselves had sinful, immoral properties.

This is why I said the premise was absurd.

But that's just it. Some of the music played and sold by so-called Christian artist's is in no way distinguishable from their secular counter parts.

Music can convery all sorts of different human emotions, from erotic and sultry to vicious and angry. No deny that is to deny the very essence and reality that music was meant for in the first place.

 

[moicherie]

What is the difference between a christian classical composer's score from a non christian classical composer's score? Different notes, different key signatures? Please enlighten us.

 

[RND]

What is the difference between a christian classical composer's score from a non christian classical composer's score? Different notes, different key signatures? Please enlighten us.

Honestly, I can't really say, but then again we're talking two completely different types and styles of music. Traditional classical music is considerablly different than modern secular/Christian rock.

However, I might say the main difference is motive and intent.

 

[sentipente]

Honestly, I can't really say, but then again we're talking two completely different types and styles of music. Traditional classical music is considerablly different than modern secular/Christian rock.

However, I might say the main difference is motive and intent.

Do you know anything of the motive, intent and lifestyle of the men who wrote tratitional classical music?

 

[RND]

Do you know anything of the motive, intent and lifestyle of the men who wrote tratitional classical music?

No, only God knows intent and motive. That's why we should be carefull about what we watch and listen to. No one knows the intent or motive of secular or Christian rock artist's either.

Think we might be able to guess the motive of the guy from the band AC/DC that wrote the song "Highway to Hell" or "Hells Bells."

 

[sentipente]

It seems their only motive is to communicate. Certainly you don't have a problem with that.

 

[RND]

It seems their only motive is to communicate. Certainly you don't have a problem with that.

Depends on what's being "communicated."

 

[sentipente]

Depends on what's being "communicated."

So you can decide for yourself what you want to listen to. Allow other adults the same right without condemnation.

 

[RND]

So you can decide for yourself what you want to listen to. Allow other adults the same right without condemnation.

It's no skin off my nose what someone wants to listen to. And I think from my comments it can be reasonablly deduced that I haven't "condemned" anyone.

Where it becomes an issue is when someone wants to brings what they want to listen to into an environment where I don't want to listen to what they are listening to.

 

[sentipente]

Where it becomes an issue is when someone wants to brings what they want to listen to into an environment where I don't want to listen to what they are listening to.

That is why God gives us choice. Birds of a feather flock together.

 

[RND]

That is why God gives us choice. Birds of a feather flock together.

But that's just it senti. Music doesn't offer a "choice." In many different situations it enters into the ear canal without offer or invitation.

 

[sentipente]

But that's just it senti. Music doesn't offer a "choice." In many different situations it enters into the ear canal without offer or invitation.

So what? Big deal. In many cases I have no control over what I see. But I do have control over what I gaze upon.

 

[AndrewK788]

I'm not trying to push the idea of relativisim, that there is no right or wrong, but I honestly do think music and how it affects people varies. I think people have no right whatsoever to condemn other music that they find distasteful. If they dislike it and feel it pulling them from God, then don't listen to it. I don't have a huge problem with the more conservative music standards in most SDA churches, but when they get on speels about what you should listen to on your own I get annoyed.

This is my opinion: if the music you listen to is pulling you away from your relationship with Jesus Christ, then it is wrong. I don't care what genre it is or how many or how few drums are in it. However, who is anyone else to judge that? We can't read others' hearts let alone judge them. Let that be between the listener and God.

 

[RND]

So what? Big deal.

Well that's just it, it is a big deal. Undesireable rythms and music don't need permission to enter the ear.

In many cases I have no control over what I see. But I do have control over what I gaze upon.

Like what? TV? Turn it off. Movies? Don't go.

 

[RND]

I'm not trying to push the idea of relativisim, that there is no right or wrong, but I honestly do think music and how it affects people varies. I think people have no right whatsoever to condemn other music that they find distasteful. If they dislike it and feel it pulling them from God, then don't listen to it. I don't have a huge problem with the more conservative music standards in most SDA churches, but when they get on speels about what you should listen to on your own I get annoyed.

This is my opinion: if the music you listen to is pulling you away from your relationship with Jesus Christ, then it is wrong. I don't care what genre it is or how many or how few drums are in it. However, who is anyone else to judge that? We can't read others' hearts let alone judge them. Let that be between the listener and God.

So there should be no objection to music some find distasteful entering into the church?

For example, if 75% of the church wants traditional hymns and songs, and 25% want drums and rock n' roll, should the 75% be forced into accepting what the 25% want to offer? Or should the 25% respect the desires of the 75% in a Christian manner.

Charity ..."seeketh not her own..."

Whole churches have been separated and cut assunder by the choice of music in the church so I would say this is a very important issue and music is a powerful subject.

 

[sentipente]

Well that's just it, it is a big deal. Undesireable rythms and music don't need permission to enter the ear.



Like what? TV? Turn it off. Movies? Don't go.

Music. Don't listen.

 

[RND]

Music. Don't listen.

Again, one can be in certain situations where thay have no choice, yet the music has access anyway.