Christian Rock - Evil?

[sentipente]

I I think the bottom line is this. Would we feel comfortable having the Lord Jesus Christ sit with us as we attended this concert or not?

I guess you don't believe in an omnipresent God.

 

[Mankin]

In fact I do. It will take awhile to find the article tho.

And honestally I really don't care how you guys bash a certain style of music. God never stamped his seal of approval on any one type of music.

 

[moicherie]

Are we to reach others and be a light of Christ by becoming like the world? How did Jesus reach those who were "unreachable"?

He became like the world by attending their social events the church folk did not like Him for doing that mixing with those sinnner.... how dare He?....
By the way there are no holy crochets, minims, quavers and no unholy ones.

 

[moicherie]

I heard a sermon one time about music in the church today. The main point he was bringing out is that in some cases you can't tell the difference between the so called Christian rock and the regular rock. To me any kind of heavy metal music is not good even it it has Christian lyrics. The decibel level alone in most of the concerts Chrisian or not is unhealthy for those attending. I think the bottom line is this. Would we feel comfortable having the Lord Jesus Christ sit with us as we attended this concert or not?

The man who preached this sermon made a good point in saying that just because you label something Christian does not mean it's good. He said before long there may be Christian pornography out there, think about that.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Songs of Solomon, how many Puritans do you think loved that book?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I heard a sermon one time about music in the church today. The main point he was bringing out is that in some cases you can't tell the difference between the so called Christian rock and the regular rock. To me any kind of heavy metal music is not good even it it has Christian lyrics. The decibel level alone in most of the concerts Chrisian or not is unhealthy for those attending. I think the bottom line is this. Would we feel comfortable having the Lord Jesus Christ sit with us as we attended this concert or not?

The man who preached this sermon made a good point in saying that just because you label something Christian does not mean it's good. He said before long there may be Christian pornography out there, think about that.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

One would wonder what the difference between worldly music and sacred music was a hundred or two hundred years ago. Of course there was not really any difference we just assume because we use old hymns with tunes written over a hundred years ago that since they sound different from what we hear on the radio today that Christian music was different from secular music. But it was not the tune Greensleeves was popular at it's time and it was incorporated into several church hymns. It was not a sound that was noticeably different from the popular music of the time.

It is part of the effect of tradition upon Christianity that says these were the popular hymns of yesterday and therefor that is what the style of music is appropriate today. It seems each generation wants what it likes to be the defacto sound for Christian music. Just as when Martin Luther brought songs to the German language the old guard said no you have to sing in Latin or it is not separated from the world. We still hear that refrain today from people preaching their lack of historical perspective from the pulpit. What I have noticed is that people like a sermon if it speaks about what they already believe and they don't like the sermons that challenge their perceptions. But only one of those two causes growth in understanding.

But I certainly agree there is a lot of crude in what is called Christian music but that is true of the old hymns also. We have just tossed aside the worst ones over time and that is likely what will happen in contemporary music as well. Only the best of things lives on in music and literature and art.

 

[Sophia7]

Would we feel comfortable having the Lord Jesus Christ sit with us as we attended this concert or not?

I think someone (senti maybe?) used a similar example in another thread, but it seems applicable here. Would you feel comfortable having Jesus sit with you while you have sex with your wife?

Anyway, I'm sure that Jesus and your guardian angel would have to wait outside if you attended a Christian rock concert, just as they do when people go into a movie theater.

 

[NightEternal]

It seems each generation wants what it likes to be the defacto sound for Christian music.

BINGO.

 

[Sophia7]

One would wonder what the difference between worldly music and sacred music was a hundred or two hundred years ago. Of course there was not really any difference we just assume because we use old hymns with tunes written over a hundred years ago that since they sound different from what we hear on the radio today that Christian music was different from secular music. But it was not the tune Greensleeves was popular at it's time and it was incorporated into several church hymns. It was not a sound that was noticeably different from the popular music of the time.

It is part of the effect of tradition upon Christianity that says these were the popular hymns of yesterday and therefor that is what the style of music is appropriate today. It seems each generation wants what it likes to be the defacto sound for Christian music. Just as when Martin Luther brought songs to the German language the old guard said no you have to sing in Latin or it is not separated from the world. We still hear that refrain today from people preaching their lack of historical perspective from the pulpit. What I have noticed is that people like a sermon if it speaks about what they already believe and they don't like the sermons that challenge their perceptions. But only one of those two causes growth in understanding.

But I certainly agree there is a lot of crude in what is called Christian music but that is true of the old hymns also. We have just tossed aside the worst ones over time and that is likely what will happen in contemporary music as well. Only the best of things lives on in music and literature and art.

 

[NightEternal]

He said before long there may be Christian pornography out there, think about that.

Like I haven't heard this absurd analogy before. So, no, I won't be thinking about such an offensive premise.

Better, Jim, that you think about what a ridiculous comparison you are making here.

 

[Loveaboveall]

http://music.yahoo.com/Demon%20Hunter/lyrics/4204106

I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt... I looked up their lyrics from their self-titled album. I wanted to find something in them that was uplifting or would point me to Jesus! But, I have to say, if you had not told me they were a christian band I would have never known by reading their lyrics. Could it be that they all are christian men but there band is not a "chrisitan band"?

Does it make a difference if this band sings "secular" music even if they are all Christian? What comes to mind is Michael W. Smith when he made his "secular" album and the controversy that swirled as to whether it was appropriate to listen to on the sabbath.

Back to the main point... Is this really a Christian album with christian lyrics? Maybe someone can show me, but I read about half the songs lyrics and really could not find one word that would point me to Jesus. They may do this at their concerts but I just don't see it in their music.

 

[Loveaboveall]

Like I haven't heard this absurd analogy before. So, no, I won't be thinking about such an offensive premise.

Better, Jim, that you think about what a ridiculous comparison you are making here.

A question keeps popping up in my head with this discussion...

What makes something "Christian"? And if you are a chrisitan can you make an album that is unchristian? Or for that matter, should you as a christian do or say things that are unchristian?

 

[RND]

A question keeps popping up in my head with this discussion...

What makes something "Christian"? And if you are a chrisitan can you make an album that is unchristian? Or for that matter, should you as a christian do or say things that are unchristian?

Eventually Loveaboveall there will be the inevitable attempt to claim certain "pornography" is "Christian."

I was actually involved in a discussion on another board where one poster actually thought that God even works through pornography. Amazing!

Anyone can put lipstick on a pig and call it "Marilyn Monroe" but that doesn't make it so.

 

[Mankin]

Porn and rock are too entirely different things so don't try to draw a comparison. And loveabove all check out their lyrics to the songs Thornes and Deteroiate.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Eventually Loveaboveall there will be the inevitable attempt to claim certain "pornography" is "Christian."

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You have to forgive them Mankin because to many TSDA's the assumption of what may happen is the same as something already having happened. It is why they listen to sermons that make absurd points and say a hardy amen.

Of course the assumption that eventually there will be Christian Pornography is a gratuitous assertion which can be equally refuted by gratuitously asserting that there will never be Christian pornography. But as we all no logic has never been a strong suit of many on the traditional side of the aisle.

 

[RND]

Porn and rock are too entirely different things so don't try to draw a comparison.

Does the William Tell Overture make you feel romatic thoughts towards your girl? If not, why not?

As far as drawing a comparison between rock and pornography, I remember a few years back, at some music awards show, the "hubbub" that was created when one female artist, I believe it was "Madonna" (how odd a name) liplocked a couple of other fermale performers, namely Britany Spears and Christina Aguilera.

Would that qualify as some type of "pornography?" If not, why not?

 

[sentipente]

RND, let's at least try to maintain the intellectual level of this forum.

 

[RND]

RND, let's at least try to maintain the intellectual level of this forum.

You wouldn't be here if we did.

 

[sentipente]

You wouldn't be here if we did.

Then you have some incentive. Go for it.

 

[RND]

Then you have some incentive. Go for it.

Thanks, senti I will do just that. Also, to help you out, I'll talk slower.

 

[Loveaboveall]

Porn and rock are too entirely different things so don't try to draw a comparison. And loveabove all check out their lyrics to the songs Thornes and Deteroiate.

Mankin, I may be a bit dense in my old age but I am still not seeing anything that points me to Jesus? Is the mention of thorns supposed to be talking about the crown of thorns Jesus wore on the cross? If so how does that make any sense with the rest of the words that really have little meaning?

Please enlighten me and tell me how the song "thorns" speaks to your heart about God?

I can remember the "good ole' days" of Petra, Guardian, White Heart, etc. that people were up in arms about... The thing that struck me was that the songs sung by these bands were straight forward lyrics speaking of Jesus and His love. They were much better "christian" lyrics than many of the pop music of the day that was trying to sit the fence b/w christian and secular. It seems now that this band is doing the same thing, calling themselves christian yet doing their best to hide it. I am assuming the reason is so they can make it mainstream?

Please, tell me how these lyrics speak to your heart!