Christian Rock - Evil?

[NightEternal]

So there should be no objection to music some find distasteful entering into the church?

For example, if 75% of the church wants traditional hymns and songs, and 25% want drums and rock n' roll, should the 75% be forced into accepting what the 25% want to offer? Or should the 25% respect the desires of the 75% in a Christian manner.

Charity ..."seeketh not her own..."

Whole churches have been separated and cut assunder by the choice of music in the church so I would say this is a very important issue and music is a powerful subject.

Very simple: Two seperate worship services. People can choose either the morning Traditional service or the afternoon Contemporary service. The pastor preaches the same sermon twice, there is just a different worship dynamic.

Everyone is happy.

It has worked at every College/University SDA church I have been to who offers it.

 

[RND]

Very simple: Two seperate worship services. People can choose either the morning Traditional service or the afternoon Contemporary service. The pastor preaches the same sermon twice, there is just a different worship dynamic.

Everyone is happy.

It has worked at every College/University SDA church I have been to who offers it.

We have the same thing occuring in my church at the present time, however the services are held concurrently.

 

[Loveaboveall]

Lyrics to Thornes. Also they don't try to hid being Christian although a few do. Some of them believe that you shouldn't put a stamp labeled Christian on something.

Bitter thoughts became your every waking breath
Save the nights your hollow dreams revealed the sweet release of death
In your thoughts you played a symphony of self
But your soul had bled a darker song of close to nothing left

Oh, The deliverance of blade and flame, your love
And greater is the blood

(Chorus
You’ll find it in the veil of night where solitude is born
In the emptiness of broken flesh, at the mercy of the thorns
You’ll find it in the veil of night where solitude is born
In the emptiness of broken flesh, at the mercy of the thorns

Every line a path into an empty heart
Where the words of now forgotten love fall silent in the dark

Oh, The deliverance of blade and flame, your love
And greater is the blood

(Chorus)

Sister, don’t you sleep through your own eulogy
Don’t sever what you are for what you couldn’t be

Mankin,

I have read the lyrics before, what I was hoping you could do would be to explain to me how God speaks to you through these lyrics. How does the message of this song draw you to Jesus? That is all...

 

[Loveaboveall]

Very simple: Two seperate worship services. People can choose either the morning Traditional service or the afternoon Contemporary service. The pastor preaches the same sermon twice, there is just a different worship dynamic.

Everyone is happy.

It has worked at every College/University SDA church I have been to who offers it.

Why does it always have to be about what "I" want? When we are speaking of a worship service who is it we are worshipping? It seems to me, too many times decision are made about what type of worship service should be held based on what people like. Should this ever be the criteria? Should it not be only what is it that uplifts Jesus? I understand there can be many different interpretations re: what uplifts Jesus, but with any decision the motive should never be what pleases the people, instead it should always be what pleases God.

Think what would have been different if Aaron had used this principle?

 

[AndrewK788]

So there should be no objection to music some find distasteful entering into the church?

For example, if 75% of the church wants traditional hymns and songs, and 25% want drums and rock n' roll, should the 75% be forced into accepting what the 25% want to offer? Or should the 25% respect the desires of the 75% in a Christian manner.

Charity ..."seeketh not her own..."

Whole churches have been separated and cut assunder by the choice of music in the church so I would say this is a very important issue and music is a powerful subject.

I never said that. I do agree with the majority ruling.

 

[RND]

I never said that. I do agree with the majority ruling.

I understand that, I was simply asking a question:

So there should be no objection to music some find distasteful entering into the church?

Apparently, you are in agreement as long as the majority agrees. What happens though to the minority? Do they just start another church or join another denomination?

 

[AndrewK788]

I understand that, I was simply asking a question:

So there should be no objection to music some find distasteful entering into the church?

Apparently, you are in agreement as long as the majority agrees. What happens though to the minority? Do they just start another church or join another denomination?

Oh I see what you meant.

Well, I'm sure many disagree with me on this, but here's my opinion. (I became convicted of this only recently, but bear with me as I explain.)

I've been doing a lot of praying, asking God these very questions. There seems to be so much disunion in Christianity, and yet from reading the book of Acts and many of Paul's letters in the NT, it is evident that disunion was not acceptable.

I finally came to this conclusion: Just as God appoints kings and rulers over nations, how much more does he take interest in appointing leaders in the Christian churches? I feel that every pastor is there because God has placed him there. If it were not God's will, he wouldn't be there.

To me, by questioning a pastor's position (this includes elders) you are basically questioning God's judgment. No human being is perfect, but I do believe it is God's desire that we respect the decisions made by those who he has placed in leadership positions so long as it does not directly conflict with the Word. Frankly, I feel that whatever the church board, pastor, elders, (which will probably represent the majority) decide should stand.

So as for the additional 25% that you mentioned, they should accept the decision. But of course there comes the conflict. Should they accept the decisions made? Absolutely. But will they? Look at this forum and the answer is obvious.

If you sincerely and genuinely disagree still with the decision (AND have Biblical grounding for your stance) then I would say it would be appropriate to leave. But certainly make it a matter of prayer.

 

[moicherie]

I never said that. I do agree with the majority ruling.

Not in all cases when it comes to taste, the danger is the majority will bully their tastes for the whole church to follow based on thier sheer numbers, where will it stop, if the majority wanted all women to wear hats just because of tradition and not any moral reason would that be right for those women who are not hat wearers?

 

[AndrewK788]

Not in all cases when it comes to taste, the danger is the majority will bully their tastes for the whole church to follow based on thier sheer numbers, where will it stop, if the majority wanted all women to wear hats just because of tradition and not any moral reason would that be right for those women who are not hat wearers?

I see what you're getting at and I don't disagree, however, hats don't really have anything to do with worship.

 

[Lebesgue]

I don't see anything wrong with Christian Rock.

 

[RND]

Oh I see what you meant.

Well, I'm sure many disagree with me on this, but here's my opinion. (I became convicted of this only recently, but bear with me as I explain.)

I've been doing a lot of praying, asking God these very questions. There seems to be so much disunion in Christianity, and yet from reading the book of Acts and many of Paul's letters in the NT, it is evident that disunion was not acceptable.

I finally came to this conclusion: Just as God appoints kings and rulers over nations, how much more does he take interest in appointing leaders in the Christian churches? I feel that every pastor is there because God has placed him there. If it were not God's will, he wouldn't be there.

To me, by questioning a pastor's position (this includes elders) you are basically questioning God's judgment. No human being is perfect, but I do believe it is God's desire that we respect the decisions made by those who he has placed in leadership positions so long as it does not directly conflict with the Word. Frankly, I feel that whatever the church board, pastor, elders, (which will probably represent the majority) decide should stand.

So as for the additional 25% that you mentioned, they should accept the decision. But of course there comes the conflict. Should they accept the decisions made? Absolutely. But will they? Look at this forum and the answer is obvious.

If you sincerely and genuinely disagree still with the decision (AND have Biblical grounding for your stance) then I would say it would be appropriate to leave. But certainly make it a matter of prayer.

While I agree and disagree with some of the points you made I must say your post was very well thought out and very honest. Thanks.

 

[reddogs]

Do you think christian rock is "evil"? If "yes", why? Or are there only some bands that you would consider "evil"?

I came across this website today and now I'm wondering.....

CHRISTIAN ROCK: Blessing or Blasphemy?

There are 2 things which have great affect, one is the music itself and the other is the message, and if you listen to the music or read the lyrics written whether Christian or not the explaination of the source is self evident..

THE BATTLE OF EVERMORE LYRICS

 

[ricker]

There are 2 things which have great affect, one is the music itself and the other is the message, and if you listen to the music or read the lyrics written whether Christian or not the explaination of the source is self evident..

THE BATTLE OF EVERMORE LYRICS

The Battle of Evermore lyrics are referencing the Lord of the Rings trilogy. (which are fantasy/adventure books written by a Christian)

 

[Stryder06]

The Battle of Evermore lyrics are referencing the Lord of the Rings trilogy. (which are fantasy/adventure books written by a Christian)

Depending on how you look at spiritualism may give one pause in regards to whether or not his series were actually Christian, despite the claims surrounding them.

 

[Theofane]

Christianity and Rock music is the most unnatural (and therefore unholy) unions I've ever heard of. Trying to combine them would destroy both of them, IMO. Like the Amish religion with high-stakes street racing.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Generally speaking a lot of bad things come to mind when you thing about rock and metal...

personally I think we just labelled music... instruments seem to be neutral and might be used in order to uplift or in order to enrage or something...

I dont now if christian rock is evil, I have never been into rock, I like Gospel reggae though...

 

[reddogs]

The Battle of Evermore lyrics are referencing the Lord of the Rings trilogy. (which are fantasy/adventure books written by a Christian)

Have you SEEN Lord of the Rings!!!

 

[JohnMarsten]

just a thought...

we are living in a world which is somehow based on paganism, I even heard the name neo-paganism... almost everywhere we are being confronted with pagan symbolizm, pentacles (sometimes in the form of stars), obelisks, pyramids, all seeing eyes and what have you... just watch a random movie, no matter if its hollywood or not... you will recognise that there is at least one pagan or occult symbold hidden in it... video games... and what have you...

we are constantly confronted with news, with concepts, ideas that are not necessarily christian, or are partially christian and partially pagan or whatever.... and its not even catholic or something, I am speaking about things totally weird... especially certain policies...


as far as music is concerned, I have different views about it at the same time... like, if the music brings you closer to God and leads you away from sin than keep it up, as long as you feel you like it, but if it actually leads you farther away from God or even into sin, well I dont know...

 

[ricker]

Have you SEEN Lord of the Rings!!!

Actually I've read the books more than once in my life. They are not, of course, "Christian" books, but are fantasy/adventure fiction written by a Christian man, actually a friend of C.S. Lewis. In the end good triumphs over evil.

I'm not above reading some escapist literature occasionally, but by a wide margin read non-fiction.

 

[ricker]

as far as music is concerned, I have different views about it at the same time... like, if the music brings you closer to God and leads you away from sin than keep it up, as long as you feel you like it, but if it actually leads you farther away from God or even into sin, well I dont know...

"Christian Rock" casts quite a large net. I've heard some "screamo" stuff that I can hardly believe is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and been blessed by other contemporary Christian music that some might consider rock. I have a Newsboys CD in my work vehicle right now that I listened to today. I like some southern gospel, and even more so bluegrass gospel, too. Whatever edifies you!