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It really annoys and angers me when American Christians whine about persecution in the United States. American Christians wouldn't know true persecution if it stared them in the face.

Here we sit in the richest and (probably) most free country in the world. Our government is not only open to religion (sometimes too open) but sometimes holds Christianity in a privileged position.

While Christians in other parts of the world are being killed for even having a Bible in their possession, American Christians, who can worship practically any way they want (within reason) whine because of a stupid Ten Commandments statue. Or perceived "bannings" of prayer and the Bible.

I think that American Christians are spoiled. They have held a high position of regard - even privilege - in this country for a long time. For some Christians, this isn't enough. They're more interested in Christianity's complete dominance of this government than religious pluralism and freedom.

Not all the Christians who still regret the removal of the Ten Commandments monument feel this way, of course. The majority of Christians, I think, are good people who think that sometimes, the government is out to get them. This is a valid concern that should probably be addressed. But to the other Christians, who are constantly whining about "persecution", I say: get over yourselves!

Christianity has been around for at least two-thousand years. It has survived hundreds of different cultures both responsive and resistant to its tenets. It has survived horrible persecution - beheadings, burning-at-stakes, being used as live torches in ancient Rome. After all of that history and all of that real persecution, are you honestly telling me that the removal of a stupid monument, or a clerk at Target saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", or the banning of mandatory schoolwide prayer is persecution? Please.

I simply don't understand this way of thinking. Why are some Christians so insistent upon acting as the "persecuted minority" when it's not even close to being true? What is with the persecution complex among so many Christians?

Don't you appreciate your freedoms? The right to worship on Sunday (or any other day you want), how you want (within reason) and where you want (within reason)? Don't you appreciate the ability to think for yourself rather than the government telling you what religion and what brand of doctrine to follow? Don't you appreciate the freedom to vote your conscience?

There are so many things for which Christians should be grateful in this country. Are meaningless monuments and a clerk's words at the check-out lane in Target truly worth the energy and effort? I don't think so.

Ten Commandments monuments fade and are soon forgotten. After all, A monument is nothing but a symbolic item anyway. If the Ten Commandments are truly so important, why not erect them in your church or home? Or learn them for yourself and keep them within your heart?

Appreciate your freedoms and quit whining!
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You are so right about us not even having a true taste of real persecution yet,however there is a definite change and obvious enemity against Christianity recently. I therefore do not agree that we have nothing to be concerned about.It is just another of the signs we should be aware of. Missionaries around the world are killed every day because of Christian persecution. The bible speaks of the "sin of omission". We better not stand idly by and let Christianity and religious freedoms be attacked.

What concerns me even more, is how few Christians even have any desire to attend church Sunday morning,let alone Sunday evening and Wednesday evening! How many even read their Bible? Nowdays many who do go to church do not even carry their sword! If they don't have the guts to live for Jesus today,they most certainly won't have the guts to die for Him,if it comes to that. Once you are on the battlefield it is too late to put your armor on then.Remember David would not even take the armor offered to him to face Goliath because he had not proved it. How many Christians have proven their Armor of God, or even have any armor? When was the last time you heard of a Christian standing firm for anything?
 
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Ringo84, is it okay if I share a ministry that can inform others of Christian persecutions today?

Voice of the Martyrs has a free monthly newsletter. It can be graphic about the persecutions going on around the world today, but it is also a prayer request newsletter, to show us what is really going on, persecution is really still happening just like in the times the New TEstament was written in persecutions to the apostles. Please consider signing up for this free newsletter. Just click on the link at www.persecution.com and sign up for the newsletter. you can find out more about them at their website also.

one other free book that describes some of the realities for ministering for Jesus in India is with Gospel for Asia, these brothers and sisters are also facing persecutions. you can get a copy of a Free book called "Revolution in World Missions" at www.gfa.org

thank you, I hope its okay to share Ringo, peace in Christ
 
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You are so right about us not even having a true taste of real persecution yet,however there is a definite change and obvious enemity against Christianity recently. I therefore do not agree that we have nothing to be concerned about.It is just another of the signs we should be aware of. Missionaries around the world are killed every day because of Christian persecution. The bible speaks of the "sin of omission". We better not stand idly by and let Christianity and religious freedoms be attacked.

What concerns me even more, is how few Christians even have any desire to attend church Sunday morning,let alone Sunday evening and Wednesday evening! How many even read their Bible? Nowdays many who do go to church do not even carry their sword! If they don't have the guts to live for Jesus today,they most certainly won't have the guts to die for Him,if it comes to that. Once you are on the battlefield it is too late to put your armor on then.Remember David would not even take the armor offered to him to face Goliath because he had not proved it. How many Christians have proven their Armor of God, or even have any armor? When was the last time you heard of a Christian standing firm for anything?
Oh yeah - there is some real persecution happening in the world, and we definitely shouldn't ignore it. I agree. Rather than focusing on perceptions of persecution in the US, in fact, Christians should probably focus on the murders and persecution of Christians abroad. Thanks for pointing this out.
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Ringo84, is it okay if I share a ministry that can inform others of Christian persecutions today?

Voice of the Martyrs has a free monthly newsletter. It can be graphic about the persecutions going on around the world today, but it is also a prayer request newsletter, to show us what is really going on, persecution is really still happening just like in the times the New TEstament was written in persecutions to the apostles. Please consider signing up for this free newsletter. Just click on the link at www.persecution.com and sign up for the newsletter. you can find out more about them at their website also.

one other free book that describes some of the realities for ministering for Jesus in India is with Gospel for Asia, these brothers and sisters are also facing persecutions. you can get a copy of a Free book called "Revolution in World Missions" at www.gfa.org

thank you, I hope its okay to share Ringo, peace in Christ
Well, don't misunderstand. I'm not saying that Christian persecution doesn't happen at all. But I don't think it happens much or at all in the United States. I certainly won't deny that Christians are being killed and persecuted around the world.
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Well, don't misunderstand. I'm not saying that Christian persecution doesn't happen at all. But I don't think it happens much or at all in the United States. I certainly won't deny that Christians are being killed and persecuted around the world.
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yes, I didn't mean to say that you are :)

I just wanted to share how christians can educate themselves about some of the persecutions going on worldwide in case they don't know about it. These newsletters are eye-opening. And they are prayer requests from the ministry and from the persecuted ones.

thanks for letting me share :) Jesus is worthy
 
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Oh yeah - there is some real persecution happening in the world, and we definitely shouldn't ignore it. I agree. Rather than focusing on perceptions of persecution in the US, in fact, Christians should probably focus on the murders and persecution of Christians abroad. Thanks for pointing this out.
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You are welcome,but I must say things ARE going on in this country as well,just not physical attacks YET! I know that most places of work, stores,and my library for a fact,the employees are not even allowed to make ANY comment that may be construed as "Christian"! I wore a T-shirt to the library with the head & shoulder pic of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns that says"No Greater Love" and a security guard told me he loved my T-shirt,but said he is not allowed to say anymore about it! A relative works at a store here, and she said all "new-hires" are warned about the same thing!

That IS persecution,and stopping a Christian from witnessing at work,but not only are they forbidden to witness,they are forbidden to make any comments at all!

There are those who are being used by satan to make America a Godless nation(except in the privacy of your home and churches. As a preacher in my church said "those outside can care-less what we do inside our building,but you take it outside and see what happens"!

Our county fairs have stopped allowing Gospel tents,which churches used to have during fair week,in which there was gospel singing and handing out gospel tracts and free bookmarks and such.

Plus now churches must get a permit to hold baptisms in the rivers!

Television shows are extremely insulting of Christians.

Yet you don't see a dangerous trend here? :scratch:
 
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You are welcome,but I must say things ARE going on in this country as well,just not physical attacks YET! I know that most places of work, stores,and my library for a fact,the employees are not even allowed to make ANY comment that may be construed as "Christian"! I wore a T-shirt to the library with the head & shoulder pic of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns that says"No Greater Love" and a security guard told me he loved my T-shirt,but said he is not allowed to say anymore about it! A relative works at a store here, and she said all "new-hires" are warned about the same thing!

That IS persecution,and stopping a Christian from witnessing at work,but not only are they forbidden to witness,they are forbidden to make any comments at all!

There are those who are being used by satan to make America a Godless nation(except in the privacy of your home and churches. As a preacher in my church said "those outside can care-less what we do inside our building,but you take it outside and see what happens"!

Our county fairs have stopped allowing Gospel tents,which churches used to have during fair week,in which there was gospel singing and handing out gospel tracts and free bookmarks and such.

Plus now churches must get a permit to hold baptisms in the rivers!

Television shows are extremely insulting of Christians.

Yet you don't see a dangerous trend here? :scratch:
I wore a T-shirt to the library with the head & shoulder pic of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns that says"No Greater Love" and a security guard told me he loved my T-shirt,but said he is not allowed to say anymore about it! A relative works at a store here, and she said all "new-hires" are warned about the same thing!


One situation doesn't add up to persecution around the entire US. And besides, I'd try to find out WHY they have these policies before I rushed to judge.


That IS persecution,and stopping a Christian from witnessing at work,but not only are they forbidden to witness,they are forbidden to make any comments at all!


Bull.


There are those who are being used by satan to make America a Godless nation(except in the privacy of your home and churches. As a preacher in my church said "those outside can care-less what we do inside our building,but you take it outside and see what happens"!


How many people in this country are Christian? How many aren't Christian? Don't they have the freedom to not choose Christianity if they choose? Part of religious liberty is religious neutrality. There's nothing "godless" about it.

Our county fairs have stopped allowing Gospel tents,which churches used to have during fair week,in which there was gospel singing and handing out gospel tracts and free bookmarks and such.


Well, Christians should have the right to sing at fairs. But persecution? Hardly.

Plus now churches must get a permit to hold baptisms in the rivers!


Probably has to do with property laws.

Television shows are extremely insulting of Christians.


Well, I can't stand up for every show on TV. But seriously: grow some thicker skin!

This is part of what I was talking about: Christians are so easily offended today - and so easily put on the "persecuted" label. We need to stop playing the victim and seeing persecution around every corner. This kind of attitude doesn't help Christianity at all.

Yet you don't see a dangerous trend here? :scratch:


No. The only thing I see are thin-skinned Christians.
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Thank you for reminding us of our hurting brothers and sisters - the voice of the martyrs.
There are no martyrs in the US. Abroad, yes, but not here.
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yes, I didn't mean to say that you are :)

I just wanted to share how christians can educate themselves about some of the persecutions going on worldwide in case they don't know about it. These newsletters are eye-opening. And they are prayer requests from the ministry and from the persecuted ones.

thanks for letting me share :) Jesus is worthy
Oh, I know. There are valid persecution claims around the world, but very few here. I think we pretty much understand each other.
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You are welcome,but I must say things ARE going on in this country as well,just not physical attacks YET! I know that most places of work, stores,and my library for a fact,the employees are not even allowed to make ANY comment that may be construed as "Christian"! I wore a T-shirt to the library with the head & shoulder pic of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns that says"No Greater Love" and a security guard told me he loved my T-shirt,but said he is not allowed to say anymore about it! A relative works at a store here, and she said all "new-hires" are warned about the same thing!

That IS persecution,and stopping a Christian from witnessing at work,but not only are they forbidden to witness,they are forbidden to make any comments at all!

There are those who are being used by satan to make America a Godless nation(except in the privacy of your home and churches. As a preacher in my church said "those outside can care-less what we do inside our building,but you take it outside and see what happens"!

Our county fairs have stopped allowing Gospel tents,which churches used to have during fair week,in which there was gospel singing and handing out gospel tracts and free bookmarks and such.

Plus now churches must get a permit to hold baptisms in the rivers!

Television shows are extremely insulting of Christians.

Yet you don't see a dangerous trend here? :scratch:
I think you, Ringo, and I have different views on persecution.
 
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Maybe so. But you're probably closer to my way of thinking than hers/his.
Ringo
Well, I think what I should have written was "Ringo and I have a different view of persecution than you" Because, yeah, we agree on this also.
 
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I think that American Christians are spoiled. They have held a high position of regard - even privilege - in this country for a long time. For some Christians, this isn't enough. They're more interested in Christianity's complete dominance of this government than religious pluralism and freedom.

I simply don't understand this way of thinking. Why are some Christians so insistent upon acting as the "persecuted minority" when it's not even close to being true? What is with the persecution complex among so many Christians?



Ten Commandments monuments fade and are soon forgotten. After all, A monument is nothing but a symbolic item anyway. If the Ten Commandments are truly so important, why not erect them in your church or home? Or learn them for yourself and keep them within your heart?

Appreciate your freedoms and quit whining!
Ringo

I don't know any Christians who seek a "complete dominance of this government" and I do not believe protecting a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion is "whining".
 
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That's simplistic, Voeglin. This isn't about Christians protecting their religious freedom. It's about Christians who already have religious liberty and because of stupid Ten Commandments statues, and perceptions of prayer being "banned", continue to whine because they think they are entitled to more rights than the other religions in this country.
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Ringo84, is it okay if I share a ministry that can inform others of Christian persecutions today?

Voice of the Martyrs has a free monthly newsletter. It can be graphic about the persecutions going on around the world today, but it is also a prayer request newsletter, to show us what is really going on, persecution is really still happening just like in the times the New TEstament was written in persecutions to the apostles. Please consider signing up for this free newsletter. Just click on the link at www.persecution.com and sign up for the newsletter. you can find out more about them at their website also.

one other free book that describes some of the realities for ministering for Jesus in India is with Gospel for Asia, these brothers and sisters are also facing persecutions. you can get a copy of a Free book called "Revolution in World Missions" at www.gfa.org

thank you, I hope its okay to share Ringo, peace in Christ

Thank you for bringing that up. Just went to that site earlier today and read about the persecutions people are going through. It's horrible to see these wonderful people suffer and we're definately no where near persecutions like that.

I agree with Ringo. We complain so much about not having freedom, but we do. We have more freedom than we realize and it takes something like really seeing what persecutions these Christians are going through to see that.

We have all the freedom in the world, we really do, and it shouldn't be taken for granted. Thank for this post Ringo.

God Bless :)
 
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Thank you for bringing that up. Just went to that site earlier today and read about the persecutions people are going through. It's horrible to see these wonderful people suffer and we're definately no where near persecutions like that.

I agree with Ringo. We complain so much about not having freedom, but we do. We have more freedom than we realize and it takes something like really seeing what persecutions these Christians are going through to see that.

We have all the freedom in the world, we really do, and it shouldn't be taken for granted. Thank for this post Ringo.

God Bless :)
I agree with Ringo. We complain so much about not having freedom, but we do. We have more freedom than we realize and it takes something like really seeing what persecutions these Christians are going through to see that.

We have all the freedom in the world, we really do, and it shouldn't be taken for granted. Thank for this post Ringo.

Sure. And thank you for your words also.
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That's simplistic, Voeglin.

Oh..its a "complex issue" is it? I don' think so. I want the same rights my parents, their parents and their parents going back to when they came here (around 1800) had. I do not accept a "living constitution" which activist judges have ruled means what the ACLU wants it to mean.

This isn't about Christians protecting their religious freedom.

Yes it is. But it is more than that. It is about protecting religious liberty for all. Jews, Muslims, everyone has the same rights. But only if we protect them from the "progressives" in the ACLU and PFAW who seek to strip them from us.

It's about Christians who already have religious liberty and because of stupid Ten Commandments statues, and perceptions of prayer being "banned", continue to whine because they think they are entitled to more rights than the other religions in this country.
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Its about left wing activist in the ACLU and other groups monitoring the speech and activities of millions of people in America and dragging them into Federal court when they say or do something liberals do not approve of.

Just think about it. A student planned to mention Jesus Christ in a HS graduation and the head of the ACLU in Nevada had a copy of the speech before she gave it and pressured the school to make her change her speech. When she didn't, the school cut off her mike because it feared the ACLU would sue and force the district to pay huge legal fees defending itself. Barry Lynn's and PFAW are monitoring sermons. This isn't the America my ancestors lived in.

The question is not why a Christians or Jews in some town out nowhere puts up the Ten Commendments. The question is why we have people dragging those who do to court.

The burden is not on those who freely express their faith but on those who seek to stop them.

Read up on the history of the ACLU. Corliss Lamont, a director of the organization for over two decades was a "humanist" and the most loyal defender Joe Stalin had in America. The ACLU is not trying to protect the constitution. It is attempting to impose its secular views on 300 million Americans. Here is what Lamont wrote in his book "The Philosophy of Humanism"
Since Moral judgements, like judgements of aesthetic quality, are a species of value judgements it is most difficult to obtain general intellectual agreement on what is right and what is wrong . . .For Humanism no human acts are good or bad in or of themselves...

. . .human beings do not possess supernatural and immortal souls..our cosmos does not posses a supernatural and eternal god . . .

. . . one of the great aims of Humanism is the transformation and socialization of human motives. This is a sector where human nature can be drastically reconditioned and reshaped . . .

The Humanist refuses to accept any Ten Commandments or other ethical precepts as immutable and universal laws never to be challenged or questioned. We bow to no alleged moral authority either past or present . . .

Humanism qualifies as a religion . . .

I have no intention of letting those with such an ideology rollover people of faith in America. There is no compromise. There is no tearing down anything because the ACLU wants it torn down.
 
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