I never said every book wasn't from God, I said God didn't write the Bible. He inspired them to author it from their perspective.
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I never said every book wasn't from God, I said God didn't write the Bible. He inspired them to author it from their perspective.You're very quick to denouce any book of the bible as being from GOD, I'm just wondering if you considered what Jesus said about being born-again as not being of GOD also?
I know of no one who is ashamed to shared there testimony.
No worse than worshipping the Bible, which is what you do.Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.
Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.
No worse than worshipping the Bible, which is what you do.
Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.
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Quite the contrary. What you fail to see is that as a fundamentalist you are the extreme fringe of christianity making up less than 1% of all christians. WHile you won't be happy until a minster is the President of the United States, you have the obsessive need to make yourselves into the martyers and saying you need to "witness" others that are not like you. THANKFULLY, and ONLY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, you don't have the lock on Christianity, for many would join the ranks of athiests. YOu, my friend, will not be the reason for me to get to heaven. You my friend have made a book your God. I'm glad you keep selling yourself as a Christian. Now, if you can go back to your book and pull out some more scriptures to attack as I'm sure that is what God intended you to do.
This thread is not about someones salvation. It about the biblical perspective on homosexuality.
His relationship with God is none of your business unless he chooses to share just as yours is not our business unless it is part of the thread subject.
If you want to hear someone's testimony it would probably help if you shared your own first.
I have seen you quote lots of verses and give us your interpretation of them but not once heard you share how you overcame your own sins. Shouting verses at all does not do anything. It is why we are called to carry each others burdens.
You may not care about my opinion Dave but the rules here are quite explicit and your responsiblity to read and adhere to no matter how good your relation with God.
That aside, answer me a question, anyone.
Religious reasoning aside, what makes homosexuality wrong? I mean the act of being a homosexual, not the actions of certain homosexuals.
I'm not sure you could consider one a thief unless he steals.Well... to put all religious reasoning aside, what makes theft wrong? I mean the act of being a thief, not the actions of certain thiefs...
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Please explain to me, oh knowledgable one, the 6 billion + Catholics on the planet that do not believe in "reborn" and acknowledge only one baptism for the foregiveness of sins, where are they going? You seem to know so I'd like to hear what you have to say. As for homosexuality being spoken in the bible, it isn't spoken at all. Read the bible carefully. Since you seem to be a literalist, that means you read and don't think? The mention of any sexuality in the bible is ALL centered around prostitution and idol worshipping where sex is used as rape, and claiming of property (slaves) that do not belong to them. It is the fundamentalist that pulls scriptures from the bible to use for their stand on things and that is wrong. I would strongly suggest you read a book called "Jesus Christ - The myths and the healing of the church". It is written by a theologian that says the worst thing someone can do with the bible is to pull scriptures from it to support something. the bible is a collection of letters from men over thousands of years. It is to be read and respect as a WHOLE..NOT to be taken in peace parts. to do so corrupts it's entire purpose which is to show LOVE!!! You sit in judgement of homosexuals with almost a hatred. I guess the same way I feel about fundamentalists as I believe they have hijacked Christianity, and are trying to force it amongst the masses through indoctrination and politics. However, I embrace them to learn from them. I must say, none really deviate from what is said about them...even defined by this board..."militant orthadox that will not waiver nor faulter from their belief"...
Hey, that's fine...but it is the tone, the self-righeous bigotry that is the turn off and what is destructive. So while you sit and say what God would think about homosexuals, ask yourself what he would say about someone like you that seems to be taking his job as judge and accuser. No need to answer, it's only for you to think about.
I may be incorrect, but i do not believe there is any "denouncing" of any books in the bible. I believe the point being the bible is not God written, but man written with the inspiratin of God. Two entirely different things. Given that, many people believe the bible, and respect it, but also knowing that through thousands of years of translation, thru political and ancient rituals, and by the combination of letters, and stories over thousands of years, the book just may not be exact as it was back in the day. Others believe differently. None of which are denouncing of anything.Really, I don't care about your opinion on it, when someone goes out of their way to denounce every book of the bible, that sets off flags for me.
The gate is narrow, my friend - not wide open for anyone! It's plain that not everyone who thinks they are headed for heaven truly is!Quite the contrary. What you fail to see is that as a fundamentalist you are the extreme fringe of christianity making up less than 1% of all christians. WHile you won't be happy until a minster is the President of the United States, you have the obsessive need to make yourselves into the martyers and saying you need to "witness" others that are not like you. THANKFULLY, and ONLY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, you don't have the lock on Christianity, for many would join the ranks of athiests. YOu, my friend, will not be the reason for me to get to heaven. You my friend have made a book your God. I'm glad you keep selling yourself as a Christian. Now, if you can go back to your book and pull out some more scriptures to attack as I'm sure that is what God intended you to do.
The Book of Isaiah is nearly identical to that found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so in the 2,000 years which would have been most inclined to mis-copy the book, it has NOT changed. Does that not allow us to trust that God has protected it? I think so!I may be incorrect, but i do not believe there is any "denouncing" of any books in the bible. I believe the point being the bible is not God written, but man written with the inspiratin of God. Two entirely different things. Given that, many people believe the bible, and respect it, but also knowing that through thousands of years of translation, thru political and ancient rituals, and by the combination of letters, and stories over thousands of years, the book just may not be exact as it was back in the day. Others believe differently. None of which are denouncing of anything.
He said, if you love me follow my commandments. That encompasses everything, I think!For the life of me I can't recall Jesus every saying or teaching against homosexuality.......
This is not the point. Something can be identical, yet it is not what we are reading. What we are reading is the interpretation into English of ancient terms, rituals, policital influences of the time etc, which can not be captured to give you exact meaning as what was written then. Even in the context of homosexuality the meaning of that alone is different 2000 years later. Even in the context of premarital sex, today you can talk about 30 year olds, and in a culture where most aren't even married any longer. Biblical times, there were numerous wives, and 14 years of age. Perhaps sex outside of marriage was simply because they were not even mature enough to have children yet. I do not know..I did not live 2000+ years ago. What I am saying is I do not read without thinking and getting meaning. I'm not changing the meaning of anything. I, as many others, have different interpretation of things that are written. If the bible said the earth was flat...would you still believe it knowing it isn't or would you have to orbit the earth yourself to believe? If the bible said the sun moved around the earth would you believe it knowing that it doesn't? There are people out there that don't even believe in dinosaurs or that the earth is 100s if not billions of years old despite the proof. They justify their beliefs by interpreting the facts differently. If the bible stated a scripture that said "..and Jesus says he stands out in left field"...would you believe he meant the person literally was standing in a field and on the left, or perhaps by todays reasoning think he meant the man was confused? Would either be wrong? No. Could both be correct? Yes. Do they mean entirely two different things? Of course. That is my point.The Book of Isaiah is nearly identical to that found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so in the 2,000 years which would have been most inclined to mis-copy the book, it has NOT changed. Does that not allow us to trust that God has protected it? I think so!
The gate is narrow, my friend - not wide open for anyone! It's plain that not everyone who thinks they are headed for heaven truly is!
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