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The Old Testament also says to stone children, burn witches, and not wear 2 types of fabric. How many people obey those laws? Again, we're back to the singling out one particular sin.actually God also talks about death to homosexuals
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Ah, so because some people choose to be pedophiles, that makes homosexuality the most destructive sin? You think the abuse of 10s of thousands of children is bad? How about the billions of people, many of which are children that are starving to death because of corruption and greed? Or how about the millions upon millions of people murdered every year? Guess those aren't as bad as those evil homosexuals...Tell that to the thousands if not 10's of thousands of boys who led a lifetime of shame and guilt because of abuse suffered at the hands of priests, teachers, and others.
It has been said here that "homophobic" is the fear of homosexuals. Well guess who fears the homosexual the most, the ones who have been victimized by them. Try to remember what some of these kids went through. There are books written by them. Reading them or hearing their stories first-hand like I have, might give you a little different perspective on the true nature of the damaging effects of what God considers to be an abominable sin. I realize that there are some of you that see homosexuality and pedophiles as being two different things but it isn't the case. There is a strong parallel between the two as even Roman Catholic studies have proven.
Maybe the next time some of you want to throw around accusations of "homophobia" you may first want to ask yourself if that person has earned that right to be afraid because he learned the value of it at the tender age of 10, 11, 12 years of age at the hands of those who were supposed be trustworthy.
Lord I pray you let me keep my outrage inside and express myself in a calm and clear way.**
Being gay does NOT mean you are a pedophile. Being gay does NOT make you a predetor.
Being gay does NOT make you violent.
Despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two.
the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners:
* Significant numbers of victims are males: A study of 457 male sex offenders against children in Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy found that "approximately one-third of these sexual offenders directed their sexual activity against males."3
* Homosexuals comprise less than 3 percent of the population. Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent.4
* Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found that although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.
* Homosexuality and pedophilia are interrelated sexual behaviors: The evidence does not support the argument that, by definition,
pedophiles cannot be considered homosexual because they are solely interested in boys:
* Studies show that homosexual males are sexually attracted to underage boys.6 In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen to nineteen years of age or younger."
Family Research Council
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times][FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study. [/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]In her thesis also written for the Regent University Law Review Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. "[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]"Abels data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.
WorldNetDaily
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There you go. Just a few articles of the many available. Still outraged? You should be but not at me.[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Gay advocates correctly state that most child molesters are heterosexual males. However, this is a misleading statement, since most males are heterosexual.
In proportion to their numbers (about 1 out of 36 men), homosexual males may be more likely to engage in sex with minors: in fact, some research suggests a possible 3-to-one ratio (8). However, research in this area is not conclusive because the sexual orientation of male-on-male abusers was not always clear (some abusers are bisexuals).
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]While no more than 2% of male adults are homosexual, some studies indicate that approximately 35% of pedophiles are homosexual (9). Further, since male-on-male pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles (10), it is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males (11).[/FONT]
The Problem of Pedophilia
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I think some people believe (probably due to political correctness, the media and homosexual publicity) that any objection to homosexuality is homophobia and bigotry.
Aids for one.
Two- A tendency to involve minors.
Most people infected by AIDs are heterosexual and got it though heterosexual intercourse.
If a male pedophile molests a young boy he has demonstrated homosexual tendencies. This at best puts him in a bi-sexual category.Pedophilia is not a sexual crime, it is a crime of power like rape. most Pedophiles that molest young boys are heterosexuals.
Percentage wise homosexuals are at a much higher risk. Historically Aids got a foothold through the gay community. Do the research.
If a male pedophile molests a young boy he has demonstrated homosexual tendencies. This at best puts him in a bi-sexual category.
Maybe true in the 70's, but not today. Percentage wise AIDs is spreading among heterosexuals far quicker than homosexuals.
Why don't you stick to the topic and leave the judgements about my knowledge of the subject to those more qualified.Don't talk about a subject when you clearly know nothing about it.
Most of the human race has motivations other than love in their quest for sexual gratification. Their personal preference for appropriate sex partners is still an indicator of whether we label them hetero or homosexual.The psychology of a pedophile is complex, but fundamental to it is that it is not motivated by sexual pleasure or even sexual attractiveness. It is all about power, pedophiles are attracted to an certain child because of many things, but their sex is not one of them. Molesting a young boy is not a homosexual tendencie and does not indicate that the individual is a homosexual.
Perhaps you should have included a prayer for discernment of the truth. Between that and Google you wouldn't have been making statements you cannot substantiate except for the misinformation the gay community puts out.
A small sampling:
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[/FONT]There you go. Just a few articles of the many available. Still outraged? You should be but not at me.
Here is an article from an unbiased source that does NOT have an anti-gay or pro-gay agenda.
If scripture were clear, there wouldn't be 35,000 different Christian sects in the world.
That, my friend, is due to the depravity of the human heart...gay and straight!!
And why do you have any reason to suggest that sexual immorality amongst homosexuals is any worse than sexual immorality amongst heterosexuals?
Why do homosexuals need to be specifically targeted?
You sure he isn't going to change? He was quite fond of supporting people stoning children to death for back talking to their parents, or not allowing us to mix fabrics, but do you see us doing that anymore?
This argument has nothing to do with scripture, it has to do with fundamentalist Christians being bigots who can't look in the mirror and see their own sin so they take it out on people born with something they have no control over. Gluttony, Greed, and Corruption are FAR FAR more destructive than homosexuality, yet ironically the most fundamentalist Christian nation on Earth has the highest rate of both Gluttony and Greed. Again, can we say hypocrites?
That, my friend, is due to the depravity of the human heart...gay and straight!!
Gluttony, while a sin against others, is also a sin against your own body. It is not healthy and doesn't preserve the temple. Abuse of drugs and alcohol are sins against your body. They are destructive to yourself and don't preserved the temple.
I think it's because like someone said, noone is saying murder, whoremongering, etc. isn't sin.Seems to me this defends the point that homosexuality, if a sin, is a sin equal among other sins and shouldn't be "picked on" when the others are dismissed.
In 2007, the fastest growing group of people with AIDs, is in fact WOMEN. AIDs hits everyone. Yes, homosexuals were the first ones to be targeted, and then their #s declined as others grew due to needles, blood transfusons, etc... If you were propositioned by gay men, than yes, that is wrong..@ 16. Forced...hmmm...not sure what you mean by that, but again, it is the person..NOT the homosexual person. Most child molestation cases, BY FAR, are from heterosexual men, AND for the most part, it is someone that is a close friend to the fmaily. Long term ramifications of those acts can be damaging, but not nearly as bad as women whom are raped..and by heterosexual men at that. Again, let's be honest here. Thanks.Aids for one. Two- A tendency to involve minors.
Before I was 16 years of age I had been propositioned 4-5 times by different middleaged homosexuals. Fortunately in a public place each time. I know a few who were forced. The long-term ramifications of those acts are pretty bad. Usually worse then a heterosexual rape.
Never once got propositioned by an older woman looking to make my day.
Enemy...it's just another thread of fundamentalists that are obsessed and over the top with their sexual issues. Never before I came to this forum had I realized...quite shocking. For many, pleasure in life is always equated to sin. When they make their bodys out to be temples of destruction, sin, filth, etc...there's a problem there, and they begin to use the gross misuse of the bible to pull scripture to show it. Truly sad...but again...it's the way they practice their beliefs. The way they did it with slavery, they did with segregation, they today do with homosexuality...Oh well..what can you do.Good... and this has what to do with homosexuals, specifically, that it doesn't have to do with heterosexuals?
Lion, you are SOOOOO wrong with what you've stated here. Typically I'd read and just think it's someone's opinion and then leave it go. What you have stated is just incorrect at so many levels. Victims are one thing..and there are by FAR more victims of sexual abuse by heterosexual men than homosexuals, sherely by the population alone. Second of all, they are COMPLETELY different. Pedophila is a crime for starters. Secondly, most cases show that it is from a family member/friend. Also, there is a GROWING number of FEMALE teachers that have been arrested for this with their teenage MALE students. What happened in the Catholic church is tragic at best. The church covered it up without bringing charges against these men, and it grew and grew until it finally collapsed from the inside. It isn't a "catholic" thing as just on 20/20 a few weeks ago, it showed over 600 baptist preachers that were arrested and charged for the same types of crimes. Sure, those kids that were violated have a right to be afraid, but not afraid of homosexuality. A woman being raped by a man is far more likely to happen, and you don't expect women to go through out their lives fearful of men..although some do unfortuantely. Again, you are comparing apples to oranges and it can not be done.Tell that to the thousands if not 10's of thousands of boys who led a lifetime of shame and guilt because of abuse suffered at the hands of priests, teachers, and others.
It has been said here that "homophobic" is the fear of homosexuals. Well guess who fears the homosexual the most, the ones who have been victimized by them. Try to remember what some of these kids went through. There are books written by them. Reading them or hearing their stories first-hand like I have, might give you a little different perspective on the true nature of the damaging effects of what God considers to be an abominable sin. I realize that there are some of you that see homosexuality and pedophiles as being two different things but it isn't the case. There is a strong parallel between the two as even Roman Catholic studies have proven.
Maybe the next time some of you want to throw around accusations of "homophobia" you may first want to ask yourself if that person has earned that right to be afraid because he learned the value of it at the tender age of 10, 11, 12 years of age at the hands of those who were supposed be trustworthy.
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