Christian Homophobia

[WalkingforHim]

They were statistics taken off an anti-gay website, I've seen them before.

So have I, and most anyone else who has debated this issue for some time. That's why it should be common knowledge that those stats were invented by a homophobe to slander gays.

 

[Brieuse]

So have I, and most anyone else who has debated this issue for some time. That's why it should be common knowledge that those stats were invented by a homophobe to slander gays.

Of course they were. Small sample of a high risk group. Seriously flawed.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

You are right in that I agree with the One who created us that homosexuality is a perverted version of His purpose aka "perversion" for making our bodies this way.

But it doesn't take a religious or a political view, but merely a set of eyes with decent visual capability to view and conclude which parts go with which parts thereby making it relatively non-confusing as to what is natural and what is not.

The bonus of the realization of abnormality is within the reproductive capacities.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a homosexual couple, male or female to procreate on their own naturally.

And quite contrare that it is harmless. Men who have lived gay lifestyles all of their sexually active life, can expect to live to mid forties. Less if they are intravenous drug users.

Lesbian Women who have also lived gay lifestyles all of their sexually active lives, to late 40's early 50's.

That is 20-30 years shorter than either should be living.

And yes on this topic my complaint is the public display of sexual expression that should not be expressed in front of children whether hetero or homosexual. But it is the homosexuals who think they have this right.

And if we don't know that they have had an ongoing political agenda and are targeting 5 & 6 year olds in public schools to get them pre-programmed, while pushing legislatures, and targeting society in their family arenas with their parades, then we are either sticking our head in the sand and ignoring it, are very young and truly do not realize it, or have no access to any form of media, as in living in a cave somewhere.

I stopped when I got to the part about not living until they're 40 and 50 because they're sexually active. Are you condoning that heterosexual men are allowed to be sexually active?

You're generalizing that, to be gay, you have to have sex with every man you see. Sorry to break it to you, thats simply not the case.

 

[IamRedeemed]

The stats were based on homosexuals who were involved homosexually throughout their lives.

No generalized statements were made.

I stopped when I got to the part about not living until they're 40 and 50 because they're sexually active. Are you condoning that heterosexual men are allowed to be sexually active?

You're generalizing that, to be gay, you have to have sex with every man you see. Sorry to break it to you, thats simply not the case.

 

[IamRedeemed]

They were statistics taken off an anti-gay website, I've seen them before.

Who would have to write the stats for you to believe them?

And do you think that Gays would post those stats?
That would defeat their purpose wouldn't it?

I am sure you won't find them recanting the "gay gene" on their web sites either, yet it has been disproven.

 

[Bianca87]

those researches are from dr paul cameron, a man who labels himself as anti-gay activist, was thrown out of the American Psychological Assn and the AAAS calls "surely the opposite of a scientist". seriously?
are you going to back up your next claims quoting the kkk ?

 

[MelissaShae]

are you going to back up your next claims quoting the kkk ?

OUCH!!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Who would have to write the stats for you to believe them?

And do you think that Gays would post those stats?
That would defeat their purpose wouldn't it?

I am sure you won't find them recanting the "gay gene" on their web sites either, yet it has been disproven.

Stats that come from any form of peer reviewed article would be acceptible... also, government and UN census organisations are usually fairly objective, so their stats are reliable. Medical umbrela organisations like the AMA or the PAMA can often have useful and objective stats, although stats from smaller, more specific organisations can be a touch biased. Stats from drug companies or organisations offering treatment for a condition should not be trusted without reference to some form of empirical, objective testing.

Stats that come from a site that has an agenda in EITHER direction are often skewed, or only give half the picture.

It is therefore best, if one wishes to truly learn about a topic, rather than force one's pre-existing viewpoint onto others, to try one's hardest to find objective sites. Its not hard.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You're generalizing that, to be gay, you have to have sex with every man you see. Sorry to break it to you, thats simply not the case.

I'm gay, and I solemnly swear i don't have sex with everyman I see.

Please feel free to use me as an example

 

[dawnsday]

I'm gay, and I solemnly swear i don't have sex with everyman I see.

Please feel free to use me as an example

i'm straight don't even feel attracted to every man i see, so why would a gay person be attracted to every person they see?

 

[IamRedeemed]

Actually, the information was originally obtained by PRO-GAY RESEARCHERS who were conducting the study so that they could find or create better ways to serve the gay population medically. And they are angry that their findings are being used against the promotion of the gay lifestyle.

Here is just one of many such reports that support their origin as well as the Pro-Gay Researchers anger that their findings were being used against the promotion of homosexuality.

Dr.Paul Cameron's, President of the (Family Research Council located in Washington, DC.) study only confirmed that which the PRO-Gay Researchers of Vancouver, already concluded.

<<<WASHINGTON, DC, June 6, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) &#8211; A new study which analyzed tens of thousands of gay obituaries and compared them with AIDS deaths data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), has shown that the life expectancy for homosexuals is about twenty years shorter than that of the general public. The study, entitled &#8220;Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS&#8221;, has been published in Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697).>>>


<<<One such study was conducted in Vancouver British Columbia and published in 1997 in the International Journal of Epidemiology (Vol. 26, 657-61: http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/26/3/657). It almost exactly mirrors the findings of Cameron&#8217;s research.
The Vancouver study was conducted by a team of pro-gay researchers, who, upon finding that pro-family advocates were using the results of their research as confirmation for their beliefs about the risks of the homosexual lifestyle, issued a statement trying to curb this unintended after-effect. &#8220;The aim of our work,&#8221; said the research team, &#8220;was to assist health planners with the means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.&#8221;
>>>
All quotes were taken from this article

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05060606.html

And here is another article from the Oxford Journal where they express their frustration that their research findings backfired.

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/6/1499

those researches are from dr paul cameron, a man who labels himself as anti-gay activist, was thrown out of the American Psychological Assn and the AAAS calls "surely the opposite of a scientist". seriously?
are you going to back up your next claims quoting the kkk ?

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]those researches are from dr paul cameron, a man who labels himself as anti-gay activist, was thrown out of the American Psychological Assn and the AAAS calls "surely the opposite of a scientist". seriously?
are you going to back up your next claims quoting the kkk ?[/SIZE]

Evidence? Substantiation? I doubt very seriously that any professional organizaton such as the APA would throw out any dues paying member unless they were convicted of a breach of ethics, malpractice, etc. Certainly not for having a different opinion.

Are you going to back up your next claims quoting the scribblings from the nearest public rest room wall?

 

[Bianca87]

Evidence? Substantiation? I doubt very seriously that any professional organizaton such as the APA would throw out any dues paying member unless they were convicted of a breach of ethics, malpractice, etc. Certainly not for having a different opinion.

this is the guy's website http://familyresearchinst.org (viewer discretion is advised....)

On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of Directors.

Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality.

American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research.

Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).9

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html

 

[IamRedeemed]

You seem to have overlooked post #273 Bianca.... was that purposefully or accidently ignored? Not that I care which, but I would like you to take notice of it, especially in light of your KKK remark and offer a response if you have one.

this is the guy's website http://familyresearchinst.org (viewer discretion is advised....)









http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html

 

[Bianca87]

Actually, the information was originally obtained by PRO-GAY RESEARCHERS who were conducting the study so that they could find or create better ways to serve the gay population medically. And they are angry that their findings are being used against the promotion of the gay lifestyle.

Here is just one of many such reports that support their origin as well as the Pro-Gay Researchers anger that their findings were being used against the promotion of homosexuality.

Dr.Paul Cameron's, President of the (Family Research Council located in Washington, DC.) study only confirmed that which the PRO-Gay Researchers of Vancouver, already concluded.

<<<WASHINGTON, DC, June 6, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) &#8211; A new study which analyzed tens of thousands of gay obituaries and compared them with AIDS deaths data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), has shown that the life expectancy for homosexuals is about twenty years shorter than that of the general public. The study, entitled &#8220;Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS&#8221;, has been published in Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697).>>>


<<<One such study was conducted in Vancouver British Columbia and published in 1997 in the International Journal of Epidemiology (Vol. 26, 657-61: http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/26/3/657). It almost exactly mirrors the findings of Cameron&#8217;s research.
The Vancouver study was conducted by a team of pro-gay researchers, who, upon finding that pro-family advocates were using the results of their research as confirmation for their beliefs about the risks of the homosexual lifestyle, issued a statement trying to curb this unintended after-effect. &#8220;The aim of our work,&#8221; said the research team, &#8220;was to assist health planners with the means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.&#8221;
>>>
All quotes were taken from this article

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05060606.html

And here is another article from the Oxford Journal where they express their frustration that their research findings backfired.

American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism"

that's the point i was trying to make with the previous post: a well know homophobe has misinterpreted due to his prejudice information and statistics (how ASA, APA etc.. confirm) that had to do with the connection between gays and AIDS (when it was first discovered and in western countries was mainly an homosexual's problem, now it's not) not with the gay lifestyle in general( that i'm guessing mean a different type of intercourse and nothing else).
the kkk was a joke, meaning that if you want to quote some fascists, should do it big...

 

[Tenebrae]

Aids for one. Two- A tendency to involve minors.
Before I was 16 years of age I had been propositioned 4-5 times by different middleaged homosexuals. Fortunately in a public place each time. I know a few who were forced. The long-term ramifications of those acts are pretty bad. Usually worse then a heterosexual rape.

Never once got propositioned by an older woman looking to make my day.

Source for this please

 

[IamRedeemed]

The information I provided proves that the "anti-gay" Dr.'s study produced nearly the same exact results as the PRO-GAY RESEARCHERS, so how does this help your slanted version of the truth any? These studies were not conducted (neither of them) when Aids first became a known problem either) The PRO-GAY Researchers did their study I believe in 1997, while Dr. Cameron did his in 2005.

Dr. Cameron did not misinterpret their study, he conducted a study of his own that confirmed their study.

that's the point i was trying to make with the previous post: a well know homophobe has misinterpreted due to his prejudice information and statistics (how ASA, APA etc.. confirm) that had to do with the connection between gays and AIDS (when it was first discovered and in western countries was mainly an homosexual's problem, now it's not) not with the gay lifestyle in general( that i'm guessing mean a different type of intercourse and nothing else).
the kkk was a joke, meaning that if you want to quote some fascists, should do it big...

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Aids for one. Two- A tendency to involve minors.
Before I was 16 years of age I had been propositioned 4-5 times by different middleaged homosexuals. Fortunately in a public place each time. I know a few who were forced. The long-term ramifications of those acts are pretty bad. Usually worse then a heterosexual rape.

Never once got propositioned by an older woman looking to make my day.

Maybe if you sleep around, but that's wrong even if you're sleeping with the opposite gender. Way to generalize.

Homosexuality is the most harmless sexual attraction out there because since you can only love once with all the pressure, the love is usually stronger than ever. It's NOT harmful, let alone destructive. Whereas if you overeat (once in a while is fine, it's constant that's harmful) you're bound to weigh down on your health. Your body is not yours, so putting more than you can handle inside you is degrading God's property.

Sexual sins are not any more self destructive than any other sin in retrospect. BUT when society is jabbing at you it becomes more destructive. It's societies generalizations that do it most of the time.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Actually, according to the Word of God, Sexual sin IS more destructive to your body than any other sin.

1 Corinthians 6:18

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body"


But more important than what happens to the body, in this temporal life, is what happens to the eternal soul after the shell for it has died. Don't let the father of lies deceive you into believing him and his words over the Lord and His Word. Satan was a murderer from the beginning and there is no truth in him. John 8:44

Maybe if you sleep around, but that's wrong even if you're sleeping with the opposite gender. Way to generalize.

Homosexuality is the most harmless sexual attraction out there because since you can only love once with all the pressure, the love is usually stronger than ever. It's NOT harmful, let alone destructive. Whereas if you overeat (once in a while is fine, it's constant that's harmful) you're bound to weigh down on your health. Your body is not yours, so putting more than you can handle inside you is degrading God's property.

Sexual sins are not any more self destructive than any other sin in retrospect. BUT when society is jabbing at you it becomes more destructive. It's societies generalizations that do it most of the time.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Actually, according to the Word of God, Sexual sin IS more destructive to your body than any other sin.

1 Corinthians 6:18

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body"


But more important than what happens to the body, in this temporal life, is what happens to the eternal soul after the shell for it has died. Don't let the father of lies deceive you into believing him and his words over the Lord and His Word. Satan was a murderer from the beginning and there is no truth in him. John 8:44

So that means it's more destructive? Just because it is declared as INSIDE ones body, doesn't make it more destructive. It just means you are destroying the rest of the world, just yourself. If anything, it justifies further that it ISN'T as destructive since it's isolated.

Again, pretty words. There is more sin in trying to justify vanity then there is in sexual pleasure. Even Christ spoke out again hypocrisy more than any other sin.