Christian Homophobia

[MezzaMorta]

*blink*

What is supriseing about that? My boss who I consider a great freind (along with his husband) is gay, so are plenty of my freinds.... one of the clubs I promote for is an "gay oriented" club as well.... does that some how offend you?

Their sexual orientation is of no concern to me, doesn't effect me and doesn't effect the kind of person they are.

 

[MercyBurst]

What is supriseing about that? My boss who I consider a great freind (along with his husband) is gay, so are plenty of my freinds.... one of the clubs I promote for is an "gay oriented" club as well.... does that some how offend you?

Their sexual orientation is of no concern to me, doesn't effect me and doesn't effect the kind of person they are.

Does Jesus affect the kind of person they are?

 

[UnitedInChrist]

rick,

Good to see you. You might one to go back and read my post again so you can understand what it was I was trying to say. Here let me re-post it for you:



Now lets look at what I said, ok? I said I have read several articles that say that 86% of pedophiles are homosexual, so does that mean that all homosexuals are pedophiles?

I then stated how I didn't believe it.

I wasn't posting the survey to say that it was fact, but how some people could state things as if they were a certain way and it not be anything close.

Anyhow, I thank you for the link. I will look it over but it has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. Which simple is that not all conservatives/fundamentalist are the same, just like not all homosexuals are pedophiles. Sorry if it was clear.

Saved...I understood ur posting. I wasn't flaming you are anything. I was just responding about the articles where you read the 86% #. Not only isn't it accurate, but I just wanted to post something that disputed it...I posted what I did based on the %s you listed...not to attack your post. Sorry on my end for any confusion as well.

 

[IamRedeemed]

For the life of me I can't recall Jesus every saying or teaching against homosexuality.......

John 1:1-3 " In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Jesus IS the Word of God, and Jesus IS God.

“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
A man must not defile himself by having sex with an animal. And a woman must not offer herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it. This is a perverse act. Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for the people I am driving out before you have defiled themselves in all these ways. Because the entire land has become defiled, I am punishing the people who live there. I will cause the land to vomit them out. You must obey all My decrees and regulations. You must not commit any of these detestable sins. This applies both to native-born Israelites and to the foreigners living among you." Leviticus 18:22-26 NLT


The KJV reads:
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:"

Leviticus 18:22-26


From the New Testament

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

2 Peter 2:6 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"

Jude 1:7-8

" Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, (homosexuality and beastiality) are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."


Indeed there were many scribes, but the Bible bears witness of itself that it has but ONE Author.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

***all text is KJV unless otherwise noted

***** heterosexuals engaging in sexual relations outside of marriage are fornicators. God didn't change His mind about that either. Intimate sexual relations are a gift from God to be shared between a man and a woman who are united under God in Holy Matrimony.

 

[IamRedeemed]

It offends the Lord, and that should be of concern to them as it is a perversion of the gift of intimacy that the Lord who is God, gave to men and women joined in the bonds of Holy Matrimony. He calls it an abomination.
Man's personal opinions don't matter too much though as we do not hold the power of life and death in our hands. The Lord however, does. We are merely the messengers, He however is the Judge of all mankind. And He has already told us what His judgment is on the matter, so that their would be no confusion or guessing, just a choice that needs to be made.

What is supriseing about that? My boss who I consider a great freind (along with his husband) is gay, so are plenty of my freinds.... one of the clubs I promote for is an "gay oriented" club as well.... does that some how offend you?

Their sexual orientation is of no concern to me, doesn't effect me and doesn't effect the kind of person they are.

 

[UberLutheran]

It offends the Lord, and that should be of concern to them as it is a perversion of the gift of intimacy that the Lord who is God, gave to men and women joined in the bonds of Holy Matrimony. He calls it an abomination.
Man's personal opinions don't matter too much though as we do not hold the power of life and death in our hands. The Lord however, does. We are merely the messengers, He however is the Judge of all mankind. And He has already told us what His judgment is on the matter, so that their would be no confusion or guessing, just a choice that needs to be made.

Isn't it interesting that homosexuality is the only thing which God calls an abomination?

Or, perhaps more correctly, isn't it interesting that homosexuality is the only thing which FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS are interested in God calling an abomination?

"Pick and choose" literalism: the most convenient kind...

 

[IamRedeemed]

No, it isn't the only thing that God calls an abomination, or that those who love the Lord receive from Him as authority, since He would know, since He is the judge and has the power of life and death in His hands.

But Homosexuality IS the topic of this thread. So, we do have to do our best to stay on topic.

But the reason that homosexuals run into trouble with Christians, politically is that homosexuality is the only one of those things, that God finds abominable that are politically trying to force down the throats of all of society that the practice is normal when it is indeed perverse and abominable and try to force us to allow them to teach our children in schools that gay is okay and flaunt their sexual deviation in public in front of our kids at family places, such as theme parks etc.

What you do in your bedroom is your own business, and between you, the person you are with and God. (can't escape God's part).

When you bring it out of the bedroom, and into the public arena, that is when it becomes the rest of the world's business.

Isn't it interesting that homosexuality is the only thing which God calls an abomination?

Or, perhaps more correctly, isn't it interesting that homosexuality is the only thing which FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS are interested in God calling an abomination?

"Pick and choose" literalism: the most convenient kind...

 

[EnemyPartyII]

No, it isn't the only thing that God calls an abomination, or that those who love the Lord receive from Him as authority, since He would know, since He is the judge and has the power of life and death in His hands.

But Homosexuality IS the topic of this thread. So, we do have to do our best to stay on topic.

But the reason that homosexuals run into trouble with Christians, politically is that homosexuality is the only one of those things, that God finds abominable that are politically trying to force down the throats of all of society that the practice is normal when it is indeed perverse and abominable and try to force us to allow them to teach our children in schools that gay is okay and flaunt their sexual deviation in public in front of our kids at family places, such as theme parks etc.

What you do in your bedroom is your own business, and between you, the person you are with and God. (can't escape God's part).

When you bring it out of the bedroom, and into the public arena, that is when it becomes the rest of the world's business.

What do you mean "trying to force down the throats of all of society that the practice is normal when it is indeed perverse and abominable and try to force us to allow them to teach our children in schools that gay is okay and flaunt their sexual deviation in public in front of our kids at family places" what, you mean homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public?

 

[savedandhappy1]

Saved...I understood ur posting. I wasn't flaming you are anything. I was just responding about the articles where you read the 86% #. Not only isn't it accurate, but I just wanted to post something that disputed it...I posted what I did based on the %s you listed...not to attack your post. Sorry on my end for any confusion as well.

rick,

Glad to see you didn't think I thought those numbers were correct. I should have maybe used a different survey or something other than what I did to try and make my point.

It was just that was so...........................well I was just trying to show how thinking all conservatives/fundamentalist are alike is just as far off as that survey.

No need to apologize I am just glad that you were understanding what I was trying to say. Some times I have trouble being clear with my typed word.

Good Day.

 

[IamRedeemed]

actually......... sexual sin (of any kind) is more harmful to us than other sin, the Bible tells us.

1 Corinthians 6:18

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body."

I agree with you!!

Our sins are all equal and none are greater than the other and we will be punished for them if we do not repent.

Homosexuality is quite often picked on when it is no greater than any other sin.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

actually......... sexual sin (of any kind) is more harmful to us than other sin, the Bible tells us.

1 Corinthians 6:18

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body."

Except that, of course, modern contraceptives and antibiotics change this

 

[IamRedeemed]

What do you mean "trying to force down the throats of all of society that the practice is normal when it is indeed perverse and abominable and try to force us to allow them to teach our children in schools that gay is okay and flaunt their sexual deviation in public in front of our kids at family places" what, you mean homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public?

Are you saying that you don't know this problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge?

And please don't attempt to pretend that the problem with flaunting their sexual deviation in front of children at family places like theme parks for instance is translated as "holding hands in public". Come on...let's be honest and realistic.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Are you saying that you don't know this problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge?

And please don't attempt to pretend that the problem with flaunting their sexual deviation in front of children at family places like theme parks for instance is translated as "holding hands in public". Come on...let's be honest and realistic.

please, do be hionest and realistic... how do homosexuals behave in theme oparks that you have such a problem with?

What do homosexuals do that you feel is "forcing the perversion down the throats of society "

 

[IamRedeemed]

a) Again, are you saying that you don't know this problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge?

b) The problem I and any other good parent have at family places is the same problem we would have with anyone being sexually explicit in front of children in family arenas. The gays however, seem to feel this is their right to expose children and everyone else to their bedroom.

please, do be hionest and realistic... how do homosexuals behave in theme oparks that you have such a problem with?

What do homosexuals do that you feel is "forcing the perversion down the throats of society "

 

[intricatic]

I think it's really sad how homophobic many Christians are. Whether or not you believe that the practise is right or not, why must many Christians treat them like their less of people, and call them such derogatory names and such? I think that Jesus would treat them the same as any other sinner (which is everybody), and so should we.

I also find it weird that when people are seen doing other things that are sinful, they go unnoticed, but when attention is drawn to the fact that someone is gay, people seem to go out of their way to say rude things about them, more so then any other "type" of sinner.

I've noticed the exact reverse; however, I don't spend much time in this forum so I'm not privy to seeing what goes on in here constantly.

 

[intricatic]

a) Again, are you saying that you don't know this problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge?

b) The problem I and any other good parent have at family places is the same problem we would have with anyone being sexually explicit in front of children in family arenas. The gays however, seem to feel this is their right to expose children and everyone else to their bedroom.

I'm not a politician, and I somehow doubt the homosexuals posting here are, either.

 

[UnitedInChrist]

No, it isn't the only thing that God calls an abomination, or that those who love the Lord receive from Him as authority, since He would know, since He is the judge and has the power of life and death in His hands.

But Homosexuality IS the topic of this thread. So, we do have to do our best to stay on topic.

But the reason that homosexuals run into trouble with Christians, politically is that homosexuality is the only one of those things, that God finds abominable that are politically trying to force down the throats of all of society that the practice is normal when it is indeed perverse and abominable and try to force us to allow them to teach our children in schools that gay is okay and flaunt their sexual deviation in public in front of our kids at family places, such as theme parks etc.

What you do in your bedroom is your own business, and between you, the person you are with and God. (can't escape God's part).

When you bring it out of the bedroom, and into the public arena, that is when it becomes the rest of the world's business.

Your post goes beyond your "religious" beliefs, and dives right into your bigotry and hatred to a group of people you know nothing about. "POLITICALLY TRYINIG TO FORCE DOWN YOUR THROAT"?? Please explain that. From what I read, there is NO issue about homosexuality...rational, normal, intelligent, living and breathing human beings know that it exists, it's real, can't be changed, etc... Politically the issue is treating them as everyone else. Rights that YOU have, would be "speical rights" as many homosexauls don't get them (i.e. health coverage, medical decisions, childcare, tax returns, etc...)..Homosexuality is VERY NORMAL for homosexauls my friend. Your sexuality means nothing to me, so why should a homosexual's sex life mean anything to you? Homosexuality, when taught in school, as being ok, is because IT IS OK!!! If you were to have a homosexual child, I can only imagine the turmoil that child would be in. No doubt you'd have them rushed off to ex-gay therapy and get programed to be your image of what your child should be like..."in God's name of course"....Don't be ridiculous with your "in your face"...Last I saw, and I LIVE IN NYC, heterosexuals have that practice in spades. Can you go anywhere without straight people making out? food stores, parks, themeparks, movie theaters, streets, cars, etc...WHO CARES? Some go over board..most do not. YOu would seem to be ok with forcing that on us, but two people of the same sex can't show the same affection to eachother?

Finally, homosexuals brought it out of the bedroom, NOT TO CONVERT people (like many fundies try to do with their faith), but to speak out for the SAME RIGHTS that most other citizens have today!!! You can go by the misleading titles of "gay rights" when in fact it is not...unless you call your rights...heterosexual rights.
'nuff said.

 

[UberLutheran]

Are you saying that you don't know this problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge?

And please don't attempt to pretend that the problem with flaunting their sexual deviation in front of children at family places like theme parks for instance is translated as "holding hands in public". Come on...let's be honest and realistic.

You know — I've heard this "problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge" and I have yet to find even ONE person who can explain what this specific agenda is.

Would you mind filling this homosexual in on what my specific agenda is - aside from paying our mortgage, our car payment, our utilities, putting food on the table, keeping our house clean and the front and back yards presentable?

Obviously, conservative fundamentalists have clued you in to something about me that they didn't bother to tell me — and I, for one, am dying to know.

 

[UberLutheran]

Does Jesus affect the kind of person they are?

I'm sure Jesus makes them a great deal nicer as people and as a couple — unless they come over to CF very much.

My observation is that for whatever reason, "Jesus" seems to make some of the more fundamentalist members of CF meaner than junkyard dogs — sometimes to the point where I go to a forum primarily for atheists (which I'm not) just so I can be around nicer people.

 

[WalkingforHim]

a) Again, are you saying that you don't know this problem of the political agenda of forcing the perversion down the throats of society to be common knowledge?

b) The problem I and any other good parent have at family places is the same problem we would have with anyone being sexually explicit in front of children in family arenas. The gays however, seem to feel this is their right to expose children and everyone else to their bedroom.

I saw a lot of "blah blah blah", but not one answer to any of her questions which have been asked repeatedly.