Christian Heavy Metal or Death Metal is not Christian.

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Let me put it to you another way. Dangerous drugs (like cocaine) can make a person feel good. So they may say that drugs are good because they make their mood feel good. But that does not mean that there is not another bad effect that is hurting them in some way that they do not realize. Dangerous drugs like cocaine are highly addictive and often, they cannot tell that they have a problem when they are in use of this drug. I believe this to be the same with our idols. I used to love super hero movies and TV. It was my little indulgence outside of God's Word and in living the faith. But I faultered in watching these things. Meaning, I had sinned. So I then realized it was these worldly movies that I kept putting in my head that filled my mind with junk. It is the world system. But after putting away these shows, I then began to see these things for what they really were. I began to see just how bad and evil they really were.


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And you should get rid of your idols, but I don't know what that has to do with what I said.

Is it just this type of musical composition you have an issue with, or is it all music? If it's just this type of music, how can you legitimately draw the line biblically as opposed to just imposing your own personal preferences?
 
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The problem is not with my own life, but it is with others thinking they can justify such things and think it is fine.
Except people really don't have to justify listening to it. If they like it they can listen to it just like if you don't like it you don't have to. Problem solved.



Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?...
Sorry, this thread isn't about how I post, but if it annoys you if you stop reading my post after you see the "c" in tulc you wont see it, that's the only place I do it. :wave:
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Well I'd say first your doing what alot of people do and saying what you didn't like was bad for you and hence it must be bad in general for all people and no one should listen to it.

I was with you until you went on about drums that get your moving and what not. If that is the case we should pretty much not listen to anything since most music plays with your emotions. I mean I think death metal and heavy metal are of course "raging" in general, however without lyrics how can it be bad?Its just music then.

For example I like dubstep. Heres a song I like. Its safe to view, theres no actual video, no images, no lyrics. Just music. Would you say this is evil and dangerous?

Well, it sounds like dance club music a little. I would say that it is important that we as Christians do not seek to imitate the things of this world that associates with things that are already sinful. But this is not the style of music that I am talking about within this thread. We are talking about Heavy Metal or Death Metal music that is focused on aggressiion and anger.

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I do not think it is. When I listen to it I feel calmed and sometimes I feel better after. I never feel rage or anger or anything like that. Actually to be fair 98% of my 2,500 songs have no lyrics. They are mainly songs from movies or games. Alot of them make me think of God or standing before Him. Heres another song I listen to thats just calm music. Is this bad? BTW the picture is just something the youtuber added, the song doesn't have any pictures associated with it. Its just by a company that does music for various media formats:

Are you talking about Death Metal or the videos you presented?
It sounds like you are talking about your own music and not Death Metal here.
Are you saying you feel relaxed after listening to Death Metal?


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And you should get rid of your idols, but I don't know what that has to do with what I said.

Yes, I did. I got rid of my Heavy Metal out of my life.
I got rid of worldly films, comics, music, etc.

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Is it just this type of musical composition you have an issue with, or is it all music? If it's just this type of music, how can you legitimately draw the line biblically as opposed to just imposing your own personal preferences?

No. This is not true at all and you know it. Whenever you watch a movie, you know that sad scenes use sad music and scary scenes use songs or music that is focused on trying to put fear in you. Music is not white static noise. Music elicits a certain kind of emotion by the person playing it so as to elicit an emotional response by it's listeners. To deny this is to deny reality.


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Except people really don't have to justify listening to it. If they like it they can listen to it just like if you don't like it you don't have to. Problem solved.

It is not that simple. I am obligated to preach the truth of God's Word to them.
You said:
Sorry, this thread isn't about how I post, but if it annoys you if you stop reading my post after you see the "c" in tulc you wont see it, that's the only place I do it.
tulc(is going to need to get some more coffee soon)

It is not really an annoyance as it is a puzzle or a curiosity.
People do not do things for no reason.


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Yes, I did. I got rid of my Heavy Metal out of my life.
I got rid of worldly films, comics, music, etc.

If all that were idols to you, good.

No. This is not true at all and you know it. Whenever you watch a movie, you know that sad scenes use sad music and scary scenes use songs or music that is focused on trying to put fear in you. Music is not white static noise. Music elicits a certain kind of emotion by the person playing it. To deny this is to deny reality.


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I don't think this response matches the question. It was an either/or type of question. The response of 'no' doesn't actually answer it.

I didn't say anything about emotional responses. I asked if you had issues with one type of music or all music. I still don't know.
 
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But a person can fuel rage and anger by giving it a place. They can keep getting angry when somebody does something they believe is wrong and they keep that fire burning. What is the fuel? Kicking one's dog? Punching the wall? These things fuel anger and they do not really offer a true way of calming down on a permanent level. It is the same with DM.
No. It isn't.
 
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It is not that simple. I am obligated to preach the truth of God's Word to them.
Actually...you're preaching your opinion of Gods Word to others, it's not actually Gods Word, there's a difference. :wave:


It is not really an annoyance as it is a puzzle or a curiosity.
People do not do things for no reason....
Ok, I do it because I like to close my posts like that. It really is that simple.
tulc(tends to do things he likes to do) :wave:[/quote][/QUOTE]
 
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Death Metal music is played in violent or aggresive scenes in films because the music itself is aggresive in tone and beat. To deny this is to deny reality.
Can you give some examples?
 
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If all that were idols to you, good.

1 John 2:15-17 suggests that these things would be idols for all people.

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I don't think this response matches the question. It was an either/or type of question. The response of 'no' doesn't actually answer it.

I didn't say anything about emotional responses. I asked if you had issues with one type of music or all music. I still don't know.

I used to love Heavy Metal music like Metallica and Mega Death. So this is not an issue of preferences but one of change within my life because of Christ. I have come to realize that music in tone is not like white static noise that does not effect you in some emotional way. Music has a spirit to it. It can either lift you up in a good way or drag you down in a bad way (Without you realizing it).


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Actually...you're preaching your opinion of Gods Word to others, it's not actually Gods Word, there's a difference.

Not true. Read 1 John 2:15-17, Ephesians 4:31, Colossians 3:8.

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Ok, I do it because I like to close my posts like that. It really is that simple.
tulc(tends to do things he likes to do).

What things does "tulc" tend to like in doing?


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Can you give some examples?

I don't think you need examples to know what I am talking about. It is pretty clear by what I said. Besides, Scripture says we are to avoid evil communications. I see Death Metal as evil communications.


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I don't think you need examples to know what I am talking about. It is pretty clear by what I said. Besides, Scripture says we are to avoid evil communications. I see Death Metal as evil communications.


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Actually, I do need examples so that you can prove that you do know what you're talking about. There's a lot of heavy music out there that is not death metal, and the movies that I watch tend to not use death metal, even for action scenes.
 
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Might as well toss out all books, televisions, radio, get rid of our internet connection, etc. People can see evil everywhere if they try hard enough.

The internet is not the same thing as owning evil things of this world within your own home. Evil things do not sit inside your computer. They exist in the digital world and can only be accessed by your choice to seek them out.


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God does not want us to be angry at our enemies. God wants us to love them. It is the way of Christ. The more perfect way under the New Covenant. I pray, that you seek the Scriptures on these things for yourself.

Romans 12:21

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Actually, I do need examples so that you can prove that you do know what you're talking about.

I was not born yesterday. I have watched movies since the 80's in all kinds of genres. My discussion of these movies with you is not going to help you but it is going to make it worse for you. My stand is on the truth of God's Word. My job is not to prove whether Heavy Metal music has been used in films. Anyone who has watched movies knows this fact. Besides, I was involved in independent film making so I know about these things. Whether you believe me is not relevant. Believing God's Word is another matter. For what is going to change you is not showing you more garbage but it is showing you the truth of what God's Word says.


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Music without words has an emotional component to it. When you watch a movie from Hollywood, they use a certain kind of music for certain scenes to elicit an emotional response from you. For example: A sad scene in a movie will often use sad music to get you to feel sad. A romance movie will primarily use softer loving music to get you to feel romantic feelings. A romance movie does not use Death Metal music in it's love scenes. Death Metal (which is under the umbrella of Heavy Metal) and general Heavy Metal music that sounds like 80's and 90's rock (which uses screams of agression and heavy beats to gets people to want to head bang or jump in a mosh pit and or punch each other) is based on agression, anger, and pride. Generally Death Metal is used in films where something violent is happening. Violence. So Death Metal is to get you to feel something (even without the words or the lyrics) to be violent. So calling it Christian does not really mean anything. Using Christian lyrics does not mean anything if the beat is based upon the darker side of man's emotions that are ungodly.

Scripture is clear that we are to cast off anger and wrath. Ephesians 4:26 mentions a temporary anger towards our own personal sin so as to overcome it. Ephesians 4:26 is not an anger to be seated in our heart because a few verses below it says we are to put away anger and wrath from our lives. Jesus said to love our enemies, to pray for them, and to do good towards them. We are to forgive. How can one forgive if they are also holding hatred in one's heart?

But what about Jesus? Did not Jesus get angry? Yes, but Jesus is God. We are not God. Only God can control having a perfect righteous anger. For the Scriptures say God is angry at the wicked every day. But only God can do that. For if a person is angry all the time is considered to have an anger problem. So why does Death Metal sound angry in it's beat all the time? Is anger one of the fruits of the Spirit within a believer?

What about when God commanded God's people (Israel) to destroy certain nations? Well this was the time during the Old Testament. God is no longer commanding His people to attack other nations. Back in the Old Testament times, God needed to show that He is a rewarder to those who seek Him and He is a punisher to those who do evil. The Lord our God is a God of justice. But when Jesus came, He showed us a better and more perfect way. Jesus showed us the love of God. Without that love we could not be saved. This love is the foundation of the Christian faith. If we as believers are to act aggressive in the tone of music we play (even without lyrics or words), we are sending forth a communication that plays on man's darker emotions that God does not want us to indulge in (Such as: Anger, hate, despair, and the fear that comes from this world).

My friends. My fellow Christians. I encourage you to pick up your cross, and deny yourselves and follow Jesus. Put away the things of this world that you find familar and build yourself up with things that are good. Anger and aggression (that comes from Heavy Metal and Death Metal music) is the kind of thing that will fill your life with anger, aggression, and possibly even violence. God does not want us to be angry at our enemies. God wants us to love them. It is the way of Christ. The more perfect way under the New Covenant. I pray, that you seek the Scriptures on these things for yourself. Give up this Christian Heavy Metal and Christian Death Metal for at least 1-2 years and then come back to it and see if it is something that is of God or not. For sometimes we cannot see how bad something is unless we give it up.

Anyways, I hope you understand where I am coming from.
I love you all in Christ Jesus;
And may you please be well.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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To an extent I agree. But not really. There are great christian metal songs. If they're truly christian however, the lyrics won't be bad or angry. Wolves at the gate - Father's Bargain for example. The tone is extreme anger in some situations, but the lyrics are strictly scriptural. It's all about the tone, and the message.
 
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My stand is on the truth of God's Word.
Which says nothing about the morality or immorality of any genre of music.

My job is not to prove whether Heavy Metal music has been used in films. Anyone who has watched movies knows this fact.
So you're switching your claim then? First it was death metal, now it's heavy metal?
 
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