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Christian Heavy Metal or Death Metal is not Christian.

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Aug 14, 2017.

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  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Regular Christian Heavy Metal,
    And Christian Hardcore (Death Metal) is not Christian.


    Music without words has an emotional component to it. When you watch a movie from Hollywood, they use a certain kind of music for certain scenes to elicit an emotional response from you. For example: A sad scene in a movie will often use sad music to get you to feel sad. A romance movie will primarily use softer loving music to get you to feel romantic feelings. A romance movie does not use Death Metal music in it's love scenes. Death Metal (which is under the umbrella of Heavy Metal) and general Heavy Metal music that sounds like 80's and 90's rock (which uses screams of agression and heavy beats to gets people to want to head bang or jump in a mosh pit and or punch each other) is based on agression, anger, and pride. Generally Death Metal is used in films where something violent is happening. Violence. So Death Metal is to get you to feel something (even without the words or the lyrics) to be violent. So calling it Christian does not really mean anything. Using Christian lyrics does not mean anything if the beat is based upon the darker side of man's emotions that are ungodly.

    Scripture is clear that we are to cast off anger and wrath. Ephesians 4:26 mentions a temporary anger towards our own personal sin so as to overcome it. Ephesians 4:26 is not an anger to be seated in our heart because a few verses below it says we are to put away anger and wrath from our lives. Jesus said to love our enemies, to pray for them, and to do good towards them. We are to forgive. How can one forgive if they are also holding hatred in one's heart?

    But what about Jesus? Did not Jesus get angry? Yes, but Jesus is God. We are not God. Only God can control having a perfect righteous anger. For the Scriptures say God is angry at the wicked every day. But only God can do that. For if a person is angry all the time is considered to have an anger problem. So why does Death Metal sound angry in it's beat all the time? Is anger one of the fruits of the Spirit within a believer?

    What about when God commanded God's people (Israel) to destroy certain nations? Well this was the time during the Old Testament. God is no longer commanding His people to attack other nations. Back in the Old Testament times, God needed to show that He is a rewarder to those who seek Him and He is a punisher to those who do evil. The Lord our God is a God of justice. But when Jesus came, He showed us a better and more perfect way. Jesus showed us the love of God. Without that love we could not be saved. This love is the foundation of the Christian faith. If we as believers are to act aggressive in the tone of music we play (even without lyrics or words), we are sending forth a communication that plays on man's darker emotions that God does not want us to indulge in (Such as: Anger, hate, despair, and the fear that comes from this world).

    My friends. My fellow Christians. I encourage you to pick up your cross, and deny yourselves and follow Jesus. Put away the things of this world that you find familar and build yourself up with things that are good. Anger and aggression (that comes from Heavy Metal and Death Metal music) is the kind of thing that will fill your life with anger, aggression, and possibly even violence. God does not want us to be angry at our enemies. God wants us to love them. It is the way of Christ. The more perfect way under the New Covenant. I pray, that you seek the Scriptures on these things for yourself. Give up this Christian Heavy Metal and or Christian Hardcore Metal Music (Death Metal) for at least 1-2 years and then come back to it and see if it is something that is of God or not. For sometimes we cannot see how bad something is unless we give it up.

    Anyways, I hope you understand where I am coming from.
    I love you all in Christ Jesus;
    And may you please be well.

    Sincerely,

    ~ J.
     
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  2. SeventyOne

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    Interesting, I actually find heavy metal music to be somewhat calming. It's a great stress reliever.
     
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  3. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    The ways of this world are temporary (like anger and aggression) and they are not like the good ways of the Lord and His peace (That He teaches within His Word). You may find a temporary fix with DM (Death Metal), but it is not a lastiing one.

    If a Christian has moments of rage or anger within their life still, or if they act aggressively, or if they have violent thoughts, there is no doubt that these are seeds planted by DM.


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  4. Sketcher

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    Christians have been having those moments since the days of the early church, and death metal didn't come around until the 1980's.
     
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  5. Bible Highlighter

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    1 Corinthians 8 is often sighted as a case for Christian Heavy Metal and Christian Death Metal. But 1 Corinthians 8 is talking about food (Which is a "thing" that give nourishment for the body) and it is not "behavioral." Behavior is related to sin. 1 John 3:4 says the breaking of the commandment is sin. So when a person puts forth their sinful tendencies within music such as anger, aggression, and hate within the beat of the music, they are playing in a sinful way (Regardless of the lyrics). They are trying to play on the darker emotions of man that is wrong and is not of God. Anger is not a fruit of the Spirit for the believer. Anger is not to take up residence within us permanently.


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  6. SeventyOne

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    I didn't say anything about anger, aggression, or death metal. I said the heavy metal type of music actually relieves my stress. I would think that if it resulted in planting anger and aggression in me, that would be the opposite effect.
     
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  7. Bible Highlighter

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    But a person can fuel rage and anger by giving it a place. They can keep getting angry when somebody does something they believe is wrong and they keep that fire burning. What is the fuel? Kicking one's dog? Punching the wall? These things fuel anger and they do not really offer a true way of calming down on a permanent level. It is the same with DM. It is a communication of aggression and rage as a form of entertainment. It is playing on the darker side of man's emotions with it's beat of aggression and anger. This is not the fruit of the Spirit but a fruit of rage that is not of God's Kingdom for the Lord's good people under the New Covenant.


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    Punching a wall can seem like it can calm you down because it is releasing rage. It appears to be a means of venting anger. But as I said, this is a temporary fix. This is what Heavy Metal does. It is a temporary fix and it is not permanent fix on man's darker emotions like rage, anger, violent thoughts, despair, pride, etc.

    Letting go of these idols and letting Jesus take over more in one's life is what will give a person a more permanent fix from the darker side of man's emotions.


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  9. SeventyOne

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    At this point, I think you are purposely trying not to understand what I'm saying. Once again, I didn't say anything about anger. There's no anger involved in anything I'm saying. Get over that part.
     
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    Jesus says it is what comes out of your mouth that can defile you. I believe this can extend to one's actions how they play music, as well. For music (without any lyrics) has an emotional component to it. If one plays on the darker emotions of man that is not of God, this can lead to the defilement ourselves in ways that we do not realize.


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  11. Godlovesmetwo

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    Some of that death metal is blatantly Satanic but I think a group like Metallica has some merit, music wise anyway.
     
  12. Bible Highlighter

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    Let me put it to you another way. Dangerous drugs (like cocaine) can make a person feel good. So they may say that drugs are good because they make their mood feel good. But that does not mean that there is not another bad effect that is hurting them in some way that they do not realize. Dangerous drugs like cocaine are highly addictive and often, they cannot tell that they have a problem when they are in use of this drug. I believe this to be the same with our idols. I used to love super hero movies and TV. It was my little indulgence outside of God's Word and in living the faith. But I faultered in watching these things. Meaning, I had sinned. So I then realized it was these worldly movies that I kept putting in my head that filled my mind with junk. It is the world system. But after putting away these shows, I then began to see these things for what they really were. I began to see just how bad and evil they really were.


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    I used to be a huge Metallica fan before I accepted Christ.
    I realized just how antichristian their music was after coming to the faith.
    They have a song that says, "I dub thee unforgiven." Jesus says if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven. Also, Metallica has blatantly satanic songs like "Cthuluhu" and "Enter Sandman."


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  14. tulc

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    Perhaps the problem with the OP is it's not actually talking about Christian Heavy Metal or about Christian Death Metal? It seems to be talking about their idea of what it is rather then what it really is. :wave:
    tulc(has been seeing these same arguments used for over 40 years now about pretty much every form of music the person who brings it up doesn't care for) :sorry:
     
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    No. Not at all. Death Metal music is played in violent or aggresive scenes in films because the music itself is aggresive in tone and beat. To deny this is to deny reality. Most romance films are not filled with death metal music because the goal of the movie is to get you to feel romantic. The TYPE of music played is an important part in how to make you feel. The tone determines the type of emotion you feel. To deny this is to deny reality. So nice try.


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  16. tulc

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    So? Again, none of that is actually about Christian Heavy/Death Metal music. :wave:
    tulc(does have an easy solution to this problem: listen to the kind of music you like and ignore the kind you don't, see? easy) ;)
     
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    No. You are wrong, my friend. Have you ever watched a horror movie? They play the TYPE of music that will try and scare you and or to be afraid. It is no different with Heavy Metal music. It uses violent and aggressive tones to make you feel aggressive. Ever see a mosh pit? Is it a coincidence that they all act violent and aggressive with this type of music? In fact, there are Neo Nazi death metal bands. Bands that are for white supremacy. We see that violence is clearly associated with these groups. Yet, they have bands and followers who listen to this type of music. Music of violence. Music of aggression. In other words, you put garbage in and you will eventually have garbage come back out. You reap what you will sow.


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  18. tulc

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    So? Don't listen to it. Again, seems like a simple enough solution. :wave:
    tulc(is wondering what the problem is here) :scratch:
     
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    The problem is not with my own life, but it is with others thinking they can justify such things and think it is fine.

    Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?


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  20. NothingIsImpossible

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    Well I'd say first your doing what alot of people do and saying what you didn't like was bad for you and hence it must be bad in general for all people and no one should listen to it.

    I was with you until you went on about drums that get your moving and what not. If that is the case we should pretty much not listen to anything since most music plays with your emotions. I mean I think death metal and heavy metal are of course "raging" in general, however without lyrics how can it be bad?Its just music then.

    For example I like dubstep. Heres a song I like. Its safe to view, theres no actual video, no images, no lyrics. Just music. Would you say this is evil and dangerous?


    I do not think it is. When I listen to it I feel calmed and sometimes I feel better after. I never feel rage or anger or anything like that. Actually to be fair 98% of my 2,500 songs have no lyrics. They are mainly songs from movies or games. Alot of them make me think of God or standing before Him. Heres another song I listen to thats just calm music. Is this bad? BTW the picture is just something the youtuber added, the song doesn't have any pictures associated with it. Its just by a company that does music for various media formats:
     
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