CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[KarateCowboy]

Um, if the child has cancer, and is receiving the medically appropriate treatment, how IS that a red flag?

I don't follow

 

[Armoured]

I don't think it's easy to diagnose Gender Identity Disorder at that age.

I agree with you. But without knowing more about the specifics of the case, one assumes the parents have a better idea about the best interests of the child than a couple of kindergarten workers.

Not always the case, sadly, obviously, but still the way to bet.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Mental health experts disagree. But what do they know?

False. Gender Identity Disorder is a disorder. That's why it's classified as a disorder.

 

[Armoured]

I don't follow

In your analogy, the child has cancer, right? The treatment for cancer is generally chemotherapy and/or radiation. Even though these are horrible treatments that a layman might think was abusive, the kid receiving such treatment wouldn't be a "red flag", would it?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

The child in this story is 6, I believe. Is 6 old enough to determine true gender fluidity vs coaching vs tomboyishness?

Is it within your expertise to define the age of sexual awakening? I've debated this before and was on your side and lost so dramatically I determined never to enter into it again. I nwish you could have been there and experienced what I did. You would have not asked that, You would have known.

The answer is yes, that is old enough since gender and sexuality are totally different.

 

[KCfromNC]

I believe the referenced research was peer reviewed and from an accredited university, if I read it right.

The Wall Street Journal isn't a peer reviewed scientific publication.

 

[KCfromNC]

False. Gender Identity Disorder is a disorder. That's why it's classified as a disorder.

I'll let you argue with the experts in the field on that one - http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender dysphoria fact sheet.pdf

Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”

But hey, what do mental health professionals know about mental health?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

False. Gender Identity Disorder is a disorder. That's why it's classified as a disorder.

Maybe because those who identified it as a disorder did so to profit by treating it as a disorder. Homosexuality was once a mental illness because it fit someone else's ideal of mental health.

With all the new terms these therapist spew out and the pharmaceutical companies lining up behind them to provide the drugs to control these maladies, It's a wonder we aren't all on a couch.

 

[Tallguy88]

It's not considered current best practice by the medical establishment.

Ok. Is it old or superceded by more current research?

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

Do you even understand what the nature of Gender Fluency is? My daughter is gender fluid and she's 37 years old with 3 kids.

Thank you for your thoughts. We are speaking of an impressionable little child here.

 

[Armoured]

Ok. Is it old or superceded by more current research?

Indeed it is. There are also apparently issues of bias and poor methodology in the Johns Hopkins material, although that's another discussion.

edit: looking for some of the more accepted articles now, if you're interested

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01614576.1999.11074292

http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/140/files/Standards of Care, V7 Full Book.pdf

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

You were s

Thank you for your thoughts. We are speaking of an impressionable little child here.

And my daughter was that age as well. Are you saying that I possibly did something to her to wig her out and make her into the person she is today?

 

[Tallguy88]

Is it within your expertise to define the age of sexual awakening? I've debated this before and was on your side and lost so dramatically I determined never to enter into it again. I nwish you could have been there and experienced what I did. You would have not asked that, You would have known.

Your responses seem to be getting quite personal. I really am open to learning more about the issue and changing my perspective on the medical and scientific issues on GID. Cute Tink and Stephanie (not sure if still posting on CF) have already both contributed to a greater understanding of the issue for me. But "Gender Fluidity" has never come up, nor really have issues with children. So I really am asking sincere questions.

The answer is yes, that is old enough since gender and sexuality are totally different.

Thanks.

 

[Tallguy88]

The Wall Street Journal isn't a peer reviewed scientific publication.

I believe it was referencing peer reviewed material. I wouldn't trust the WSJ by itself on just about any issue.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

You were s

And my daughter was that age as well. Are you saying that I possibly did something to her to wig her out and make her into the person she is today?

At this point I would concur with Tallguy88. It appears you're taking this very personally. Again, and for the final time, we are speaking of an impressionable young child in Katy Texas. These discussions have not a thing to do with your 37 year old daughter or your parenting in the past.

 

[Tallguy88]

Indeed it is. There are also apparently issues of bias and poor methodology in the Johns Hopkins material, although that's another discussion.

edit: looking for some of the more accepted articles now, if you're interested

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01614576.1999.11074292

http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/140/files/Standards of Care, V7 Full Book.pdf

Thanks, I'll check them out

 

[Armoured]

At this point I would concur with Tallguy88. It appears you're taking this very personally. Again, and for the final time, we are speaking of an impressionable young child in Katy Texas. These discussions have not a thing to do with your 37 year old daughter or your parenting in the past.

Well, anecdotal evidence is never great, but when discussing a subject, someone with first hand experience is usually able to give some insight that might escape outsiders...

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

At this point I would concur with Tallguy88. It appears you're taking this very personally. Again, and for the final time, we are speaking of an impressionable young child in Katy Texas. These discussions have not a thing to do with your 37 year old daughter or your parenting in the past.

Nice try. Read the post that I initially responded to and see how openminded you were. Especially the last sentence , where you left no doubt that you thought the parents were responsible for this.

I've went through this with my own daughter and I know the way she was at that age.

You guys really crack me up with this stuff about if it's outside of your version of what is ordinary then it's something wrong and God didn't make it that way. I've heard so many times how God doesn't make the mistakes many of you point out because it is beyond understanding.
God doesn't make mistakes, that's true, but he does make those who are different and some of those differences are physical and some are mental. I think he does that to allow us to understand the true nature of love.

But not in this case, OH NO, We've got two gay men raising an innocent little girl who you've already characterize, compartmentalized and registered as a victim of something evil, so away we go with the allegations, the accusations and the demonetization, because in your world, this is not right. OH JOY!

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

Nice try. Read the post that I initially responded to and see how openminded you were.

Try what? To speak freely here so you can infer all sorts of false allusions you ascribe to me because of something deeply seeded in yourself? And then take issue with your own fiction by putting my name on it as you remark to me regarding things I've never said?

Please do not address me anymore in this thread. I've never said anything like you're ascribing to me. And this is evident in my posts.
You have very serious issues and for that I pray God brings you peace.

 

[bhsmte]

I agree with you. But without knowing more about the specifics of the case, one assumes the parents have a better idea about the best interests of the child than a couple of kindergarten workers.

Not always the case, sadly, obviously, but still the way to bet.

I general, I agree with you, but with mandated reporters and especially dealing with children, betting is not what they are trained to identify.

The child care workers are not trying to completely diagnose the situation, they are simply looking for issues, that could raise concern and would need further investigation. If the parents are doing a fine job, there is nothing for them to worry about. If something is amiss and the child is being impacted in a harmful way, that will likely also be discovered.

As I said before in my previous posts in this thread, being around physicians for as long as I have, if this child was presented to them in a similar situation, it would raise red flags with them and they would like to see an evaluation completed, to determine what is going on with the child.