CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[Crowns&Laurels]

"Self evident". I guess it's just "common sense ".

Yep!
And I'll give you 10 bucks if you change your profile picture to something other then a derpy Trump.

 

[Tallguy88]

No if you want more you should be willing to gain knowledge of this yourself, since it's obvious that you disapprove of it. I would think if you came upon a person such as this, you would want to be as prepared as possible to relate to them as people in order to be about to proselytize to them.

I'm not attempting to convert anyone. It's not something I'm good at so I don't try.

If you think something is wrong here then it is up to you to show the wrongness of it.

Where? You mean with the story? I have presented my concerns already. If you mean with "gender fluidity", well I'm still waiting on a definition and explanation of how it works out in practice. I've only ever heard of it as an example of extreme liberalism being decried by another liberal, basically as an "Even I'm not that liberal!" example. I've never met anyone who actually believed it was a real thing.

These splattered posts only ensure that people who have made up their minds before hand can come together and rant at eachother. This mimics the standards of the media who don't really want to do anything other than discuss other people as if such things won't ultimately effect everybody. Like it or not. Except it or not this is the face of the future that doesn't respect anyone's need for comfort.

What posts? That I hope CPS will take a closer look at this case?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I'm not attempting to convert anyone. It's not something I'm good at so I don't try

Is that not what Moses said and look what happened because he went forward with what concerned him.

This is a lost cause if you don't take it upon yourself to understand that wish you wish to control or eradicate.. People don't have the right to limit others to the categories they have provided for them and when you demand the right to be restrict the rights of others society will ultimately evolve away from you. If you want to remain viable in today's world you need to reach out to others and effect change from within them.

Where? You mean with the story? I have presented my concerns already. If you mean with "gender fluidity", well I'm still waiting on a definition and explanation of how it works out in practice. I've only ever heard of it as an example of extreme liberalism being decried by another liberal, basically as an "Even I'm not that liberal!" example. I've never met anyone who actually believed it was a real thing

Why don't you seek out a gender fluid person in order to get the answers you require.

What posts? That I hope CPS will take a closer look at this case?

All of them which expresses outrage at the fact that religious people are getting in trouble for discriminating against others. I would think that if someone was so morally against something they would be willing to set down and discuss these things with people instead of just refusing to treat them as you would anyone else.

You guys are getting hammered to death on these things and the only people society sees from your side is what the media wants for them to see.

You either take care of bossiness the way the left has done, through social interaction or you will end up like the Westbourough Baptist church and be portreyed as ranting lunatics.

The left has something to say and the right has something to say but the left gets their messgae out because they go out and make it. People in here just through their arguements at eachother[/QUOTE]

 

[DaisyDay]

1st Corinthians 6:9.

What's a "reviler"?

 

[Tallguy88]

Is that not what Moses said and look what happened because he went forward with what concerned him.

This is a lost cause if you don't take it upon yourself to understand that wish you wish to control or eradicate.. People don't have the right to limit others to the categories they have provided for them and when you demand the right to be restrict the rights of others society will ultimately evolve away from you. If you want to remain viable in today's world you need to reach out to others and effect change from within them.




Why don't you seek out a gender fluid person in order to get the answers you require.



All of them which expresses outrage at the fact that religious people are getting in trouble for discriminating against others. I would think that if someone was so morally against something they would be willing to set down and discuss these things with people instead of just refusing to treat them as you would anyone else.

You guys are getting hammered to death on these things and the only people society sees from your side is what the media wants for them to see.

You either take care of bossiness the way the left has done, through social interaction or you will end up like the Westbourough Baptist church and be portreyed as ranting lunatics.

The left has something to say and the right has something to say but the left gets their messgae out because they go out and make it. People in here just through their arguements at eachother

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I think you have confused me with a different poster. I don't want anyone to be "eradicated".

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I think you have confused me with a different poster. I don't want anyone to be "eradicated".

Of all that I responded to this is was what popped into your head

Sorry. I not in the habit of dancing around with an issue that no one wants resolved. I'll be leaving you now!

 

[Tallguy88]

Of all that I responded to this is was what popped into your head

Sorry. I not in the habit of dancing around with an issue that no one wants resolved. I'll be leaving you now!

I really have no idea what you're talking about. I do think you have confused me with someone else. My main concern in this thread is that this child MAY be being coached to act trans, though that is not a certainty. CPS may get involved, and I believe that would be a good thing, just to make sure everything checks out. If everything does check out with the parents and kid, then ok. If not, then hopefully appropriate action is taken. I also have concerns about PCism, but that was tertiary, and mostly expressed as a response to other posts. Similarly, any posts I made about theology were also responses to related posts, I didn't just "throw it out there" so to speak.

 

[Sistrin]

What's a "reviler"?

Well played.

 

[createdtoworship]

the very best information I have seen out is relating to a university that decided not to do transgender surgery as it was not helpful,

the original article you need to sign up to read, but it's free I think.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

you can see some of the details here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

you will see all sorts of gay extremists calling it fraudulent, but that is mainly due to the fact that they have no peer review for their work.

the author has numerous peer review to back up his claims.

the only real fraud is transvestitism.

if you look for peer review for homosexuality as pathology you will see as well numerous works.

it's a mental illness, homosexuality.

probably linked to depression, and stress.

even most links to a homo gene, has been disolved in many studies.

the american psychological association has this to say:

“There is no consensus among scientists

about the exact reasons that an individual

develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or

lesbian orientation. Although much research

has examined the possible genetic, hormonal,

developmental, social, and cultural influences

on sexual orientation, no findings have

emerged that permit scientists to conclude

that sexual orientation is determined by any

particular factor or factors...”

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.pdf

so basically they are saying there is no Gay gene that they can use as evidence.

and now john hopkins researchers are also saying transgender sugery is not helpful

 

[KitKatMatt]

I'm really curious to see more articles on this story as information comes out. If anyone has them, please post 'em!

 

[Armoured]

the very best information I have seen out is relating to a university that decided not to do transgender surgery as it was not helpful,

the original article you need to sign up to read, but it's free I think.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

you can see some of the details here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

you will see all sorts of gay extremists calling it fraudulent, but that is mainly due to the fact that they have no peer review for their work.

the author has numerous peer review to back up his claims.

the only real fraud is transvestitism.

if you look for peer review for homosexuality as pathology you will see as well numerous works.

it's a mental illness, homosexuality.

probably linked to depression, and stress.

even most links to a homo gene, has been disolved in many studies.

the american psychological association has this to say:

“There is no consensus among scientists

about the exact reasons that an individual

develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or

lesbian orientation. Although much research

has examined the possible genetic, hormonal,

developmental, social, and cultural influences

on sexual orientation, no findings have

emerged that permit scientists to conclude

that sexual orientation is determined by any

particular factor or factors...”

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.pdf

so basically they are saying there is no Gay gene that they can use as evidence.

and now john hopkins researchers are also saying transgender sugery is not helpful

Cherry picking research, especially outdated research, is wonderful for confirming bias, isn't it?

 

[Armoured]

I'm pretty sure the case you're thinking of is that of David Reimer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

It's an awfully tragic case, and it's not as though his parents decided to "force him to be trans" on a whim. He DID have his genitals traumatically destroyed in infancy, and expert medical opinion was that raising him as a girl would be his best shot at "normalcy". So extremely exceptional circumstances, and the medical knowledge of 50 years ago are kind of integral considerations of the matter. His parents didn't just up and decide one day, "hey, you know what mightbe fun? Let's force David to be trans!"

@Tallguy88

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Cherry picking research, especially outdated research, is wonderful for confirming bias, isn't it?

Agreed. I'd say more but I'm so disgusted right now, I'd probably be banned before the night was over. I could bite through nails as it is.

 

[Tallguy88]

@Tallguy88

Thanks. Tink already found it on page one or two.

 

[Armoured]

Thanks. Tink already found it on page one or two.

I see. OK, just like to know you saw it. Thanks.

 

[Tallguy88]

I see. OK, just like to know you saw it. Thanks.

Yeah, I'd forgotten about the botched circumcision part. But the pertinent part, that it can't be artificially coached successfully, was what I was trying to point out. That's why hopefully this will be looked into to see if that's happening, or maybe better or more recent news can be posted that clarifies the situation.

 

[Armoured]

Yeah, I'd forgotten about the botched circumcision part. But the pertinent part, that it can't be artificially coached successfully, was what I was trying to point out. That's why hopefully this will be looked into to see if that's happening, or maybe better or more recent news can be posted that clarifies the situation.

Something you might like to consider... imagine, if the end result of David's tragedy is what can be expected when one tries to "coach" a neurotypical heterosexual to be the gender he or she doesn't identify as, what would the expected outcome of coaching a genuinely gender dysphoric person to be the gender he or she doesn't identify as?

Just food for thought.

 

[Strathos]

This transgender thing is getting out of hand.

Not the topic itself, the discussions on this board. What is the, the gay discussion surrogate?

The right always needs a new bogeyman to fear-monger about. Bashing blacks and Jews has become unfashionable and discussion of gays is banned, so now trans people are the target.

 

[Strathos]

When they are insisting on it constantly and wanting to 'be a Princess', which, might I add, he was the Princess at his birthday party, that's quite a bit beyond what many would consider normal.

When I was a little kid I used to pretend I was a turtle. I'd say that's a lot weirder, yet no one made a big deal out of it.

 

[Nithavela]

Any bets what's next?