CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Try what? To speak freely here so you can infer all sorts of false allusions you ascribe to me because of something deeply seeded in yourself? And then take issue with your own fiction by putting my name on it as you remark to me regarding things I've never said?

Please do not address me anymore in this thread. I've never said anything like you're ascribing to me. And this is evident in my posts.
You have very serious issues and for that I pray God brings you peace.

This is an exert from the post you just responded to and this is what I stated

Nice try. Read the post that I initially responded to and see how openminded you were. Especially the last sentence , where you left no doubt that you thought the parents were responsible for this.

And you now state that you never said that. Well if you would please return and read your post at 229 Or I will bring it up here so you can see you didn't leave any doubt that you thought the parents were responsible for this.
YOUR WORDS!

Or those who are her overseers are confusing how she feels as a girl by insisting she's a boy. And when she suffers confusion and questions in school she's not sure who to give her obedience to. Because adults on both sides are telling her two different things as far as how to identify herself by gender. Especially when she was born as a female and now she's being told to say she's a boy by those who she lives with at home.

Did I miss anything here? No I think not including the fact that you did not address the two people who are raising her as her parents, which brings up a entire new issue that I think is quite revealing.

The only issues I have are those with people who ascribe Negativity without knowledge.

If you don't want to hear my words then place me on ignore because in the case of this child and every other child I will not be silenced.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

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[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Isaiah 40:31King James Version (KJV)

31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Nice reading. I adore the Bible for it's wisdom and have used a scripture or two in the past to augment what I'm relating to others, but when I use it I take in within the context of the scriptures surrounding it, so that I don't use it for my benefit and not God's.

I certainly don't through it up in the face of those who have actively brought the truth of my own actions to me as a diversion. That's not what the Bible is for and I'm certain that God didn't pin it for that use.You can answer for that when the time arises.

I think we are done here.

 

[KCfromNC]

I believe it was referencing peer reviewed material.

I'd be curious to see a list of references if you can find one.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

False. Gender Identity Disorder is a disorder. That's why it's classified as a disorder.

Now it is termed Gender Dysphoria. Which isn't actually a progressive label for sufferers of this diagnosis.
Dysphoria - a state of dissatisfaction, anxiety, restlessness, or fidgeting.

 

[createdtoworship]

I can link you research if you like. Honestly, is any of it likely to shift your POV?

it is not about my personal pov, as my talking to you is not about yours.

its about winning an argument (figuratively speaking)

winning a battle, not a war.

over time through numerous lost battles pov's can change, but rarely in one lost battle.

even if it is a sore one.

but I would like at this point to call you out on your works, and if you have any to bring them out into the light so that we can examine them.

if you do in fact have some, great.

but I suspect your links are not as solid as you would hope.

 

[createdtoworship]

I can link you research if you like. Honestly, is any of it likely to shift your POV?

I did notice however, also, in addition to my last request for citation from your point.

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that you did not address the homosexuality as psychosis theory.

it was extremely popular 10-15 years ago.

and was actually treated.

we have case history, and peer review to back it up.

but you simply do not offer any retaliation, but simply to say that "you CAN provide citation."

I on the other hand, from my perspective submit my evidence without having been asked, as I have nothing to hide, nor does my research.

if it is lacking, then I find more sources, it's not the end of the world.

but 90% of the time they go unquestioned.

I put it on my self to get honest sources that are professional in nature.

I request the same from others.

(but my last post explained quite a bit of my perspective, and all you replied to was "I can get proof if you want it."

 

[createdtoworship]

From the new article:



Sounds more like gender fluid to me, especially when she says it like that. On the other hand, the child could be just figuring things out still.

one guy that was born with both sexual organs came to me and asked me what sex he was, I say he because that was ultimately what he was. He had long hair before and dressed like a girl, but he liked girls for some reason, and I told him that God made us clear as day either male of female. and the way he could tell is by getting a hormone test done, if he had more estrogen being produced he was female, more testosterone being produced he would male. Granted he did not have his hormone count altered by some hormone injection or such. But even though you are born with both, you can use science to figure it out. you don't need to try to confuse yourself. Most likely judgement is good, but in this case he was confused. he thought he was a girl, then a boy. I mentioned that to him real simply. God must have used me that day because he never came back with questions and continued dressing like a guy and bulking up at the gym. Very nice fellow, I believe he was starting to follow after God as well.

anyway this story reminded me of that unique individual. He went to work as a woman for years, then changed. and had to go to the union because someone filed harassment because of a locker room/restroom issue.

but God makes it clear, as far as I know no one has the exact same hormone count of estrogen and testosterone, one always out weighs the other, and often it's a land slide.

now homosexuals and transvestites try to shock their system by artificially changing these figures. But many times the body will simply correct, sometimes it may take years but eventually it will auto correct. if you just let it do it's thing.

unless there is at that point an illness of some kind.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I'm sorry, but the previous 3 posts gave me a headache just trying to read them. I'm not getting on the guy, because I have extremely poor grammer, but I think English is not his primary language. I would like to submit the following linc to those who are against transition surgery for them to get an opposing view from someone outside the forum. I have no idea of the credentials of the person in the video, but she certainly has something to say about the validity of previous studies
http://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/p...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

 

[Born2live4ever]

Two people misgendered a trans boy and faced consequences for refusing to respect the child's social transition.

Good.

"Kirksey told Breitbart Texas in an interview, that the problem was not so much with the transgender issue as it was with telling young children that the little girl was a boy when she was not, and with calling her “John” (not the name given) when that was not her name."​

That's. That's part of being trans. He's a boy. He stopped going by his birth name because it didn't match his gender. This is exactly about the "transgender issue", here. They told the rest of his classmates to refer to him by his new name and pronouns because he's no longer presenting himself as a girl. Because he's not a girl.

The thing is, regardless of whether or not this kid is "old enough" to truly know if he's transgender, he should be respected. If it later turns out to be a phase (which is highly unlikely, by the way), that would be dealt with at that time. But, believe me, as a trans person who still has to deal with being misgendered (by their own mother, often times), getting the name right is important for a lot of trans people. It can really affect us. It hurts. And, whether you agree with someone's "lifestyle" or not, it's rude to refer to people by any other name than the one they introduce themselves as. People are capable of changing. If this kid for some reason ended up deciding he was actually a girl (or, like me, a nonbinary trans person) later, and wanted to change his name/pronouns again, he could totally do that. But in the mean time, and possibly for the rest of this kid's life, it's really disrespectful to refer to him as anything other than the boy that he is. The older he gets, if people continue to misgender him, the worse it can get. Trans people commit suicide over things like this. And yet people like these ex-daycare workers think it's okay to completely disrespect trans kids.

I understand not wanting to "support" it because your beliefs might lead you to believe that being transgender is a sin, or a sickness, or whatever. Believe me, I do, because I had a similar mindset when I was a Christian. But when it comes down to it, it's not your life, and, often times (and I know this from personal experience), refusing to use a trans person's name and pronouns does more harm than good.

 

[Armoured]

it is not about my personal pov, as my talking to you is not about yours.

its about winning an argument (figuratively speaking)

winning a battle, not a war.

over time through numerous lost battles pov's can change, but rarely in one lost battle.

even if it is a sore one.

but I would like at this point to call you out on your works, and if you have any to bring them out into the light so that we can examine them.

if you do in fact have some, great.

but I suspect your links are not as solid as you would hope.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01614576.1999.11074292

http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/140/files/Standards of Care, V7 Full Book.pdf

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Two people misgendered a trans boy and faced consequences for refusing to respect the child's social transition.

Good.

"Kirksey told Breitbart Texas in an interview, that the problem was not so much with the transgender issue as it was with telling young children that the little girl was a boy when she was not, and with calling her “John” (not the name given) when that was not her name."​

That's. That's part of being trans. He's a boy. He stopped going by his birth name because it didn't match his gender. This is exactly about the "transgender issue", here. They told the rest of his classmates to refer to him by his new name and pronouns because he's no longer presenting himself as a girl. Because he's not a girl.

The thing is, regardless of whether or not this kid is "old enough" to truly know if he's transgender, he should be respected. If it later turns out to be a phase (which is highly unlikely, by the way), that would be dealt with at that time. But, believe me, as a trans person who still has to deal with being misgendered (by their own mother, often times), getting the name right is important for a lot of trans people. It can really affect us. It hurts. And, whether you agree with someone's "lifestyle" or not, it's rude to refer to people by any other name than the one they introduce themselves as. People are capable of changing. If this kid for some reason ended up deciding he was actually a girl (or, like me, a nonbinary trans person) later, and wanted to change his name/pronouns again, he could totally do that. But in the mean time, and possibly for the rest of this kid's life, it's really disrespectful to refer to him as anything other than the boy that he is. The older he gets, if people continue to misgender him, the worse it can get. Trans people commit suicide over things like this. And yet people like these ex-daycare workers think it's okay to completely disrespect trans kids.

I understand not wanting to "support" it because your beliefs might lead you to believe that being transgender is a sin, or a sickness, or whatever. Believe me, I do, because I had a similar mindset when I was a Christian. But when it comes down to it, it's not your life, and, often times (and I know this from personal experience), refusing to use a trans person's name and pronouns does more harm than good.

I think the child is more gender fluid than transgender. My daughter acted much like that when she was that age. Nearly drove me and my wife batty trying to figure it out.

Personally, judging from the truly inspired responces I've seen here and seeing that at least one of the fired workers was a Christian. The issue would be just as much the fact that both guardians or parents, whatever their situation is were two men instead of a man and a women as it was them being ignorant of gender fluidity.

 

[AntoineL]

Smh. God helps us. Insanity has become sanity in the name of political correctness. Everyday society is turning into a freakshow.

 

[Armoured]

Smh. God helps us. Insanity has become sanity in the name of political correctness. Everyday society is turning into a freakshow.

"Insanity" has become "sanity in the interest of best long term clinical outcome. Why does this bother you so much?

 

[AntoineL]

"Insanity" has become "sanity in the interest of best long term clinical outcome. Why does this bother you so much?

Don't bother. I'm not a world conformer who bows down to immorality. Immorality bothers me because I am a child of God and rightfully concerned with the moral and spiritual wellbeing of communities and society as a whole.

 

[Armoured]

Don't bother. I'm not a world conformer who bows down to immorality. Immorality bothers me because I am a child of God and rightfully concerned with the moral and spiritual wellbeing of communities and society as a whole.

I don't see anything immoral in providing the treatment most likely to save lives.

 

[AntoineL]

I don't see anything immoral in providing the treatment most likely to save lives.

Encouraging immorality and confusion is not treatment. How sad that this is the type of world conforming mentality that has slithered its way inside Churches today. God help us.

 

[Armoured]

Encouraging immorality and confusion is not treatment. How sad that this is the type of world conforming mentality that has slithered its way inside Churches today. God help us.

Transexuals without treatment tend to die young. Transexuals who recieve GRT are less likely to do so. Clinical fact. Sorry you don't approve, but I'm pro-life.

 

[AntoineL]

Transexuals without treatment tend to die young. Transexuals who recieve GRT are less likely to do so. Clinical fact. Sorry you don't approve, but I'm pro-life.

Lol that's the tactic now. "In order to help ___we must tell them their delusions are true". People have deliberately pushed out any other form of true help because not telling these people their confusion is reality has been and will be deemed "politically incorrect" and "offensive". GEnder-political activists have pressured and bullied the medical and psychiatric board over these issues already.

 

[Armoured]

Lol that's the tactic now. "In order to help ___we must tell them their delusions are true". People have deliberately pushed out any other form of true help because not telling these people their confusion is reality has been and will be deemed "politically incorrect" and "offensive". GEnder-political activists have pressured and bullied the medical and psychiatric board over these issues already.

Political correctness has nothing to do with it. GRT saves lives better than anything else. That's the bottom line.