CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[Armoured]

The right always needs a new bogeyman to fear-monger about. Bashing blacks and Jews has become unfashionable and discussion of gays is banned, so now trans people are the target.

Meh, always Muslims.

 

[Armoured]

Any bets what's next?

Well, for a while I was sure it was going to be the Mormons, but then 9/11 happened, and Muslims became the bad guy of the moment, which seems to be taking a while to settle out, although invoking 9/11 and/or terrorism are no longer the instant argument winning trump cards that they were 10 years ago. I must admit to a certain schadenfreude when I see a neocon drag 9/11 into a conversation expecting it to be the discussion stopper it was in 2003, only to to have people call them on irrelevancy and with general associated facts.

 

[createdtoworship]

Cherry picking research, especially outdated research, is wonderful for confirming bias, isn't it?

especially wonderful since it wins the argument since you offer no research peer review or other to counter it.

greg koukl of stand to reason ministries references this article by Wall Street Journal-

"Policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right

in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt

sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is

simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.

The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the

transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness

or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where

the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight….

Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of

consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field….

We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment

surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the

outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their

subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped

doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for

surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most

illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30

years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having

the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose

almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably

reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly

challenges the surgery prescription….

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People

who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or

masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with

and promote a mental disorder."

http://www.str.org/articles/should-we-ban-conversion-therapy

above quote from STR.org

original source quote from

- author Paul Mchugh

 

[Armoured]

especially wonderful since it wins the argument since you offer no research that is peer review to counter it?

I hope you have a wonderful monday! I am planning on it!

as much as possible.

I can link you research if you like. Honestly, is any of it likely to shift your POV?

 

[Nithavela]

especially wonderful since it wins the argument since you offer no research that is peer review to counter it?

I hope you have a wonderful monday! I am planning on it!

as much as possible.

It's not really possible, it being tues and all that.

 

[createdtoworship]

It's not really possible, it being tues and all that.

point taken,

yesterday was my observance of veterans.

it was a three day weekend.

first day back to work is for me a monday.

 

[Jahrooshshalom]

From the new article:



Sounds more like gender fluid to me, especially when she says it like that. On the other hand, the child could be just figuring things out still.

Or those who are her overseers are confusing how she feels as a girl by insisting she's a boy. And when she suffers confusion and questions in school she's not sure who to give her obedience to. Because adults on both sides are telling her two different things as far as how to identify herself by gender. Especially when she was born as a female and now she's being told to say she's a boy by those who she lives with at home.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Or those who are her overseers are confusing how she feels as a girl by insisting she's a boy. And when she suffers confusion and questions in school she's not sure who to give her obedience to. Because adults on both sides are telling her two different things as far as how to identify herself by gender. Especially when she was born as a female and now she's being told to say she's a boy by those who she lives with at home.

Do you even understand what the nature of Gender Fluency is? My daughter is gender fluid and she's 37 years old with 3 kids.

 

[KCfromNC]

Cherry picking research, especially outdated research, is wonderful for confirming bias, isn't it?

But it agrees with what some amateurs dressed in funny hats have assured me is the truth on the matter. You act like you've figured out some better way to learn about reality or something.

 

[Armoured]

But it agrees with what some amateurs dressed in funny hats have assured me is the truth on the matter. You act like you've figured out some better way to learn about reality or something.

Reality? Don't talk to us about reality, what with it's well known liberal bias!

 

[KarateCowboy]

I guess I just don't see why, in the absence of other evidence, the child being identified as trans constitutes a red flag. Excuse the parents from the room and talk to the kid alone if you have concern

It's a red flag because GID is a mental disorder. What you're saying is the mental equivalent of "I don't see how the child being identified as having cancer constitutes a red flag". It's just wrong

 

[Tallguy88]

Something you might like to consider... imagine, if the end result of David's tragedy is what can be expected when one tries to "coach" a neurotypical homosexual to be the gender he or she doesn't identify as, what would the expected outcome of coaching a genuinely gender dysphoric person to be the gender he or she doesn't identify as?

Just food for thought.

It's a good question, probably with similarly tragic results or at least a lot of stress and confusion. The problem though is that doing it to a minor is a legally problematic area.

 

[Tallguy88]

Do you even understand what the nature of Gender Fluency is? My daughter is gender fluid and she's 37 years old with 3 kids.

The child in this story is 6, I believe. Is 6 old enough to determine true gender fluidity vs coaching vs tomboyishness?

 

[KCfromNC]

Reality? Don't talk to us about reality, what with it's well known liberal bias!

I guess when you have the Truth[tm] you won't let mere facts get in the way of doing the right thing.

 

[Tallguy88]

But it agrees with what some amateurs dressed in funny hats have assured me is the truth on the matter. You act like you've figured out some better way to learn about reality or something.

I believe the referenced research was peer reviewed and from an accredited university, if I read it right.

 

[Armoured]

It's a red flag because GID is a mental disorder. What you're saying is the mental equivalent of "I don't see how the child being identified as having cancer constitutes a red flag". It's just wrong

Um, if the child has cancer, and is receiving the medically appropriate treatment, how IS that a red flag?

 

[KarateCowboy]

The child in this story is 6, I believe. Is 6 old enough to determine true gender fluidity vs coaching vs tomboyishness?

I don't think it's easy to diagnose Gender Identity Disorder at that age.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's a red flag because GID is a mental disorder.

Mental health experts disagree. But what do they know?

 

[Armoured]

I believe the referenced research was peer reviewed and from an accredited university, if I read it right.

It's not considered current best practice by the medical establishment.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

When the voluntarily ignorant call something they don't understand confusion than the realm of confusion suddenly grows exponentially to the vastness of their ignorance. Worst of all when they assume that those who are in charge of the situation are acting with nefarious intent they reduce integrity down to fit inside the smallness of their own little world.

Is this not the formula for tyranny?