Chosen or not?

[Robban]

What kind of question is that?

Are we not all chosen,
for something?

 

[mukk_in]

We are chosen to be saved, yes (1 Timothy 2:4). But many will choose otherwise (Matthew 7:13).

 

[Steve Petersen]

"All is forseen, and freedom of choice is given." Avot 3:14

 

[AskTheFamily]

Nope, we are chosen only as a people by those who are chosen by God. None of us are really special and can go to hell or heaven depending on our volatile free-will. God's chosen are his trustees chosen to guide us and save us and help us and be the means to him. Nations are picked in the sense, they were for some reasons (due to circumstances that are not due to virtues necessarily) the ones who were entrusted to receive these chosen ones as guests and honor them, and help them.

Almost all nations who were entrusted and picked for that regard have failed their duty, and God sent Messengers and Prophets to all people.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Why didn't God make humans incorruptible, like him?

 

[AskTheFamily]

Why didn't God make humans incorruptible, like him?

Free-will: It's a construct and a balance we must balance of all God's qualities which in Him is a perfect unity with no divisions. We are like a circle that is finite, but has a one to one relationship with the absolute, in that he has mapped all his infinite qualities into our finite circle. While he is absolutely one and non-divided, we are infinitely complex, and can unbalance all traits. The traits all have an opposite potential from our shadow, rebellion side, that comes with free-will. Irrationality is from the opposite of all the light qualities of God's image he mapped his qualities in from his unity.

That is the true nature of all of us, and The Torah and Bible prove God with that argument, if you would but perceive.

All of us are mapped with some strengths of qualities of God more then others, and some weakness, except for the chosen guides and kings who have them in a perfect balance, although they didn't always start off that way, they attained perfect balance when they took on the cosmic station of the seat of God on the universe and true Authority on humanity.


To add: God called us, and those who raced ahead of all, were made to be his chosen ones. We lagged behind in faith, just as we do in this world. We don't have much of chance without his saviour Kings like Moses and Jesus or Mohammad and Ali.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Free-will: It's a construct and a balance we must balance of all God's qualities which in Him is a perfect unity with no divisions. We are like a circle that is finite, but has a one to one relationship with the absolute, in that he has mapped all his infinite qualities into our finite circle. While he is absolutely one and non-divided, we are infinitely complex, and can unbalance all traits. The traits all have an opposite potential from our shadow, rebellion side, that comes with free-will. Irrationality is from the opposite of all the light qualities of God's image he mapped his qualities in from his unity.

That is the true nature of all of us, and The Torah and Bible prove God with that argument, if you would but perceive.

All of us are mapped with some strengths of qualities of God more then others, and some weakness, except for the chosen guides and kings who have them in a perfect balance, although they didn't always start off that way, they attained perfect balance when they took on the cosmic station of the seat of God on the universe and true Authority on humanity.


To add: God called us, and those who raced ahead of all, were made to be his chosen ones. We lagged behind in faith, just as we do in this world. We don't have much of chance without his saviour Kings like Moses and Jesus or Mohammad and Ali.

God has free will AND is incorruptible. Again I ask, why didn't he make us like him in this regard?

 

[AskTheFamily]

If he can make us like him, we would all be God, and there would infinite him, but we are limited, and those who submitted to God and embraced his call in the first realms before physical realms, they became his chosen trustees, and we who hesitated, are those on trial and are very volatile.

Free-will and time is a hard trial. No one is saying it's easy.

 

[dlamberth]

Why didn't God make humans incorruptible, like him?

I'm thinking that our Soul, being the Breath of God, is not corruptible. But it's our separation from our Soul where things start to get dicey. And it's an evolutionary process to Awaken to our true self, that being our Soul. God doesn't just poof things into being. Everything evolves.

 

[AskTheFamily]

Adam being the first human makes sense if you understand the delegation problem of leadership. Evolution makes sense only if you take an Atheistic stance.

But if you believe in God's books, it couldn't be evolution, because religion would be a paradox if evolution is true.

 

[Steve Petersen]

But if you believe in God's books, it couldn't be evolution, because religion would be a paradox if evolution is true.

How so?

 

[AskTheFamily]

How so?

Humans without guidance from God at any moment shows God guidance of God is not needed.

All good lies in following leaders appointed by God to channel the light in the spiritual world and be united on the outward realm of interaction as well.

This is the central thesis of religion like the Abrahamic faiths.

If we evolved morality would be imperfect at many moments in time, and the way it would evolve would not be guidance from God but praise of society, who can choose misguiding or guiding leaders, and wage war against one another.

It would serve humans but also paradoxically be used to justify the worse evils.

Morality being perfect guidance and meant to steer love properly, requires a connection to God.

The light of the soul is not our own thinking or brain forming some code of "light", it's God's guide and luminosity has to be true nature of life as well.

If spiritual nature is the true nature of all things, and life through five senses is more like a simulation than a measure of reality, then there is no reason to believe in evolution at all.

The holy books also would talk about the spiritual nature of descent and ascent to the throne of God, and the physical creation would not be important, because God can create that in anyway, it doesn't matter.

However the earth and spiritual realms, and God's throne and seat, this has to be in truth, the luminaries, the sun, the moon, and stars depending where we are, are a major foundation to creation in truth.

The light and night and the name of God defining all that, and his spirit on the waters is not about physical creation.

Anyways, I digress, but in short, the names and images of God were always needed, so it makes sense the first human would be an instance of God's word of truth brought to life/light.

 

[dlamberth]

But if you believe in God's books, it couldn't be evolution, because religion would be a paradox if evolution is true.

The ONLY Sacred Book directly written by God's own hand is Nature itSelf. And that Book shows us that indeed evolution is how God creates new life forms.

 

[dlamberth]

We are chosen to be saved, yes (1 Timothy 2:4). But many will choose otherwise (Matthew 7:13).

When we move from doctrines and onto the interior experience, we find in the cave of the Heart that those of other spiritual paths drink in the well of God's blessings and awareness of presence with just as much life, vigor and vitality as does any Christian. We are ALL Chosen, every single one of us. Quoting Meister Eckhart, "every creature is a word of God and a book about God".

 

[AskTheFamily]

The ONLY Sacred Book directly written by God's own hand is Nature itSelf. And that Book shows us that indeed evolution is how God creates new life forms.

Nature shows evolution naturalism wise is impossible for many things like the first consciousness. It's irreducibly complex no matter what structure, so much so it can't be that a point leads to it from non state of that to the state by one or few mutations.

I know the eye is used as an example but it's not a good example. The eye is been debunked and never had proof. The example I used is a good one. There is other features in nature that can't have evolved, and there is some that can.

Emphasizing only on those that can evolve doesn't prove all structures are not irreducibly complex by design. Don't confuse that these structures can have various forms and all those can evolve as well.

But irreducibly complex design is a fact of nature of many structures in nature.

But to me nature proves evolution impossible as far as naturalism goes.

 

[AskTheFamily]

When we move from doctrines and onto the interior experience, we find in the cave of the Heart that those of other spiritual paths drink in the well of God's blessings and awareness of presence with just as much life, vigor and vitality as does any Christian. We are ALL Chosen, every single one of us. Quoting Meister Eckhart, "every creature is a word of God and a book about God".

Sure you can use words like that, but language is to convey meaning. Therefore, scriptures mean things in a certain context, and by that context, no we aren't chosen lol.

The only way been picked as a people is we been entrusted to help the chosen ones to help humanity.

 

[dlamberth]

Nature shows evolution naturalism wise is impossible for many things like the first consciousness. It's irreducibly complex no matter what structure, so much so it can't be that a point leads to it from non state of that to the state by one or few mutations.

Consciousness evolved from atom to rock to plants to animals to us. It didn't just pop into existence.

 

[AskTheFamily]

Consciousness evolved from atom to rock to plants to animals to us. It didn't just pop into existence.

You can assert it all day, what you can't do is prove that. And in fact, I briefly explained why it's a paradox and impossible to have evolved from non-state to on state of consciousness. It's not like the eye example at all lol. It's binary by definition, no matter what low state it is.

You can't play lego imagination blocks with it to lead from non-state to state of it, it's impossible.

 

[dlamberth]

Sure you can use words like that, but language is to convey meaning. Therefore, scriptures mean things in a certain context, and by that context, no we aren't chosen lol.

True, there is a language in nature. Our ancient ancestors knew that language. Many of us today also know that language. It's a language directly given by God within Creation itSelf. It's truer and more honest than any Scripture that is pinned by man.

 

[AskTheFamily]

nope people talking about nature is not as good as God talking about it, he knows his creation better and their nature better lol.