CHECK THIS OUT: 666 IS REAL & PASTORS ARE PROMOTING IT!!! (Part 1)

[parousia70]

Depends. Was Satan right when he suggested Jesus should turn the stone into bread? You make it sound as though "daily bread" is so normal, so ordinary, so mundane and expected that it is beyond question; that it somehow comes across as bizarre to question our relationship to something as necessary as food.

Food is a gift from God.
He made it FOR us to eat. That's the only reason God created it.

Are you suggesting we are to Reject that Gift?

That we are to say to God, "NO, I will not accept the gift of food you created for me to eat, for I know better than you what I need"..?

Do we not have a God Ordained a responsibility to care for our Bodies?
To care for our Children?

To suggest that embracing such responsibility is something akin to "materialism" is untenable.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Food is a gift from God.
He made it FOR us to eat. That's the only reason God created it.

YHWH'S WAY is so far greater and higher than man's ways....
HE designed food for all of the creatures on earth and in the seas and over the earth(birds, et al) .
They all look to HIM for their food.
HE may well have many other reasons also.
(There are many more references to food not for people in Scripture than the ones below).
Psalm 145:15
The eyes of all look to You, And You give them their food in due time.

Psalm 104:27 All creatures look to you to give them their food at the ...
biblehub.com/psalms/104-27.htm
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All of them look to you to provide them their food at the proper time. .

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Food is a gift from God.
He made it FOR us to eat. That's the only reason God created it.

Are you suggesting we are to Reject that Gift?

That we are to say to God, "NO, I will not accept the gift of food you created for me to eat, for I know better than you what I need"..?

Do we not have a God Ordained a responsibility to care for our Bodies?
To care for our Children?

This is basically a rehash of the "a loving God wouldn't punish me just because I want food for me and my family" argument, but with a bit more self righteous indignation thrown in.

Have a look at Matthew 6:24-34. Jesus starts by saying that we can't work for God and mammon at the same time without cheating on one or the other. He then lists basic necessities like food and clothing, and concludes, "your heavenly father knows you need these things, but, seek first the kingdom of Heaven and he will provide these things for you".

The obvious lesson is that we should not allow a fear/worry for these material things to stop us from following a higher purpose. God comes first, even before food. That was the lesson for Jesus during his temptation in the wilderness. It's not a coincidence that Satan used food to tempt Jesus. By your reasoning, Jesus should have said something like, "Hey, ya know what Satan, you're right! Food is a gift from God. Why shouldn't I turn this stone into bread and eat! It would be a rejection of God's gift NOT to do so!"

Or, check out John 6:27. The context is that Jesus had just finished feeding thousands of people, and the people had come looking for him after he slipped away. They wanted to make him a king but he rebuked them for it because they were only interested in the food he provided. He plainly told them not to work for food but rather for God. The irony is that he'd just shown them that God really can, and will, provide for their material needs, but they missed the point. They had become distracted by the material.

This is the lesson behind the Mark. Instead of seeking first the Kingdom of Heaven, people are taught to seek their daily bread.

 

[razzelflabben]

Food is a gift from God.
He made it FOR us to eat. That's the only reason God created it.

Are you suggesting we are to Reject that Gift?

That we are to say to God, "NO, I will not accept the gift of food you created for me to eat, for I know better than you what I need"..?

Do we not have a God Ordained a responsibility to care for our Bodies?
To care for our Children?

To suggest that embracing such responsibility is something akin to "materialism" is untenable.

I would answer your questions about our responsibility by saying that according to scripture it is God's responsibility to provide food and shelter for us, it is our responsibility to trust Him and work with Him in the matter. Thus if He says, "not that food" we need to trust Him and look somewhere else. At least from a scriptural standpoint.

 

[parousia70]

This is all well and good, but still does not refute my objection to equating hunger to materialism.

Such remains untenable.

 

[razzelflabben]

This is all well and good, but still does not refute my objection to equating hunger to materialism.

Such remains untenable.

I think what some here have been trying to tell you is that when we are preoccupied with the things of the flesh it is always a form of materialism...I could be wrong but that is how I am reading them and I have to agree with that sentiment from a biblical standpoint. From a fleshly standpoint I understand how hard it is to trust an invisible God with the things that my eyes can see.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

This is all well and good, but still does not refute my objection to equating hunger to materialism.

Such remains untenable.

All the well and goodness is untenable? I understand you're using a colloquial phrase which doesn't really mean that you believe RB's or my comments are genuinely well and good, but still, it comes across as though you're not really thinking about what's being said when you make comments about goodness that you don't really mean.

Such remains untenable.

The real question is, what is the "such" which is being discussed? Both RB and I have made it clear that the issue is faithfulness to God over even the most basic necessities like food and clothing.

You say that kind of thing is "well and good" (as though you're contractually obligated to grudgingly acknowledge such a trivial point) BUT that still, you're point about food being a gift from God isn't refuted. Well, I suppose technically you're correct, since no one argued that food isn't a gift from God. The implication in your comments about food being a gift appears to be an attempt to offset any need to confront our dependence on materialism.

It's a bit like saying, "Fornication is a sin" and someone else comes along saying, "what you're arguing is untenable. Sex is a gift from God". Obviously, the person making such an argument is doing so from a bias and not a genuine desire to understand what our relationship should be to physical pleasures like sex.

You're doing the same thing with this "food is a gift" argument. It's an apparently righteous way to sidestep the real issue, but a sidestep it is nonetheless.

 

[parousia70]

It's a bit like saying, "Fornication is a sin" and someone else comes along saying, "what you're arguing is untenable. Sex is a gift from God". Obviously, the person making such an argument is doing so from a bias and not a genuine desire to understand what our relationship should be to physical pleasures like sex.

You're doing the same thing with this "food is a gift" argument. It's an apparently righteous way to sidestep the real issue, but a sidestep it is nonetheless.

Actually the opposite is true.

You are saying the act of eating is materialism, regardless of intent. I am suggesting otherwise. If eating is a form of materialism than so is Breathing and people who put God above all else should therefore abandon the materialistic behavior of drawing a breath...

Are you arguing that Suicide is the Proper, Godly antidote to materialism?

 

[CrystalDragon]

I think 666 was simply meant to represent Nero in Greek numeral systems. It wasn't meant to all be a prophecy of the future, it was all symbolic relating to the Roman Empire at the time because if it was explicitly stated to be about Nero, John would have been killed.

 

[razzelflabben]

Actually the opposite is true.

You are saying the act of eating is materialism, regardless of intent. I am suggesting otherwise. If eating is a form of materialism than so is Breathing and people who put God above all else should therefore abandon the materialistic behavior of drawing a breath...

Are you arguing that Suicide is the Proper, Godly antidote to materialism?

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that eating is materialistic, but worrying about where your next meal will come from is a form of materialism according to scripture. I just think it is important to understand what is being said. If I am wrong, I apologize and then state my position that it is the worrying about where your next meal comes from that is a form of materialism not the eating itself..

 

[razzelflabben]

one thing that I have seen clearly through this conversation is how easily Satan will convince people that it is okay to take the mark rather than stand firm in Christ as we are told to do....thanks for the discussion.

 

[parousia70]

The Mark is History.

 

[Dave Watchman]

The Mark is History.

And George Washington rode a pale horse names blue.

And Saddam Hussein dried up the great river Euphrates.

And you won't get any older and you won't ever die.

 

[parousia70]

I am older than I once was, younger than I'll be. That's not unusual.

 

[Dave Watchman]

And you won't get any older and you won't ever die.

 

[parousia70]

Oh, I'll probably Die... but it looks like my kids may not have to....
http://elitedaily.com/life/life-after-death-never-die/1283360/

 

[razzelflabben]

The Mark is History.

not sure how, but please lay out your evidence for this conclusion so we can examine it

 

[razzelflabben]

And George Washington rode a pale horse names blue.

And Saddam Hussein dried up the great river Euphrates.

And you won't get any older and you won't ever die.

go on....

 

[pdudgeon]

Hi all. Here's another video, this one about the Mark of the Beast. It's a bit longer than the other videos (a run time of 18 minutes) and it comes in 3 parts (the other 2 parts will be released later).

The video attempts to detail how the Mark of the Beast will almost certainly manifest itself as a microchip implant in the hand for buying/selling and how various strategies for taking it are being developed and disseminated to the general public.

I look forward to some lively discussion.

actually the way that technology has developed, a microchip isn't the only way that these things can be done, although it is the most prevelant.

for example:
1. there are now fingerprint scanners availble for commercial use.
banks, residence dorms, and retail stores are promoting these as 'an easy way to shop without having to carry ID" and also for security purposes.

2. use of iris scanners, where the record of the subject's iris is scanned and entered into a secure data base for purposes of recognition and subsequent access to secured locations.

3. microchips implanted into credit/debit cards by banks to securely identify and traack the expenditures of their customers.

4. or microchips being implanted into pets and also into members of the military Special Forces teams to track their whereabouts as well.

5. microchips being implanted into patients suffering from Alshimer's disease to track their locations.

6. microchips being implanted into 'at risk' children to help prevent abduction.

the idea behind all of this is two fold:
a. to convert the society away from using hard cash. thus every account balance or transfer of funds would be handled via electronic means rather than cold hard cash.

b. to track "people of interest" to the government, either for reasons of safety or for purposes of elimination if they become 'inconvenient".

 

[Endtime Survivors]

a. to convert the society away from using hard cash. thus every account balance or transfer of funds would be handled via electronic means rather than cold hard cash.

b. to track "people of interest" to the government, either for reasons of safety or for purposes of elimination if they become 'inconvenient".

Hi Pdudgeon. Thanks for that post. While there are a variety of methods for digitizing commerce (like finger prints or retinal scans), it does appear that practical reality is moving in the direction of microchip implants.

"Tap-and-pay" technology is easier than either finger print scans or retinal scans so it makes sense that this would be the favored option.

As for tracking person's of interest, I agree that possibility is there, but as far as the prophecy is concerned, "tracking" or "privacy" aren't the concern. Buying and selling is. Our relationship to materialism vs our relationship to the spiritual.