Cheap Grace

[Meowzltov]

what is the teaching (red above), law or grace?

The verse was quite explicit in what it teaches. Read it again, especially the last part.

 

[Lulav]

the

the thread is now in a down spiral if you are going to resort to this, thanks, said with respect an luv, frog,

Yes, I'm sure because you either don't understand it or can't answer to it. But that's ok, I didn't expect you would sadly.

 

[Frogster]

I have. It's one sided, we me scoring all the outstanding points. Prrrrr....

if you started to post text, I would be able to see something of substance, prrrrrr

 

[Frogster]

Yes, I'm sure because you either don't understand it or can't answer to it. But that's ok, I didn't expect you would sadly.

Don't be sad....

 

[Frogster]

The verse was quite explicit in what it teaches. Read it again, especially the last part.

but explain the how of it all...isn't that the point?

 

[Meowzltov]

if you started to post text, I would be able to see something of substance, prrrrrr

I post text all the time. You don't acknowledge it when I do.

 

[Meowzltov]

but explain the how of it all...isn't that the point?

no.

 

[Frogster]

Sounds like I'm really irritating you by not playing into your games.

no, not irritating, i just never saw a NT debate, where Paul is not used...but..that is fine, the omission just shows he can;t be used by some people..ahhhhh...such is life, so continue on, thanks, frog.

PS, why call it a game? Lets be nice here, thanks! frog.

 

[Frogster]

no.

oh.

 

[Meowzltov]

where Paul is not used

already explained. see previous posts.

 

[Frogster]

Paul cherished grace.

grace is not of flesh, under law though people boast, the flesh loves to boast in law...

 

[Meowzltov]

Paul cherished grace.

Yes Paul cherished grace. He also taught obedience etc. We must cooperate with grace; this does not mean grace is earned.

 

[Frogster]

The law is not grace. Gal 3;12.

One needs grace, to even cooperate with the power of grace.

Grace is from above.

 

[Frogster]

People want to wiggle in on grace, the flesh seeks dominance over the Spirit.

Gal 3:3..that is why the 2 will not mix.

 

[Meowzltov]

One needs grace, to even cooperate with the power of grace.

Of course. It's circular.

 

[Lulav]

The law is not grace. Gal 3;12.

One needs grace, to even cooperate with the power of grace.

Grace is from above.

And G-ds instructions on how to walk righteously before him, aren't?

Do you not realize that it was grace that G-d gave us the correct way to do things? He didn't have to do that, not at all, He told Adam don't and he did and that could have been it for us. But he still guided us.

 

[Viren]

And G-ds instructions on how to walk righteously before him, aren't?

Do you not realize that it was grace that G-d gave us the correct way to do things? He didn't have to do that, not at all, He told Adam don't and he did and that could have been it for us. But he still guided us.

We are to walk in holiness, but's it's Jesus's sacrifice that makes people holy once and for all. (Hebrews 10:10) Holiness isn't determined by how a person walks in the flesh. Hebrews 10:14 states, "for by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy". So people are perfected entirely by what Jesus accomplished on the cross. It's a done deal. All that's left is time before all enemies are a footstool for his feet. Romans 16:20 states, "the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet". That's the Gospel that needs to be trusted in and believed for salvation.

 

[Rajni]

Repentance IS a work.

It would seem that it is, technically, a work on God's
part, rather than on man's:

Acts 5:31 God has exalted to his right hand this very man as
our Leader and Savior in order to extend repentance and
forgiveness of sins to Israel.

Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and
glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the
Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lord's bond-servant must not be
quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when
wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in
opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance
leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to
their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having
been held captive by him to do his will.

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[Meowzltov]

It would seem that it is, technically, a work on God's
part, rather than on man's

It's both.

 

[Rajni]

It's both.

Can you elaborate on that? Thanks!

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