Charles Robert Darwin

[trophy33]

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do you understand what a definition is?

You said that we are 100% apes. Which is nonsense no matter which definition you will choose. Its nonsense even in a purely biological way.

We can be from apes, but we are obviously somewhere else now.

 

[VirOptimus]

You said that we are 100% apes. Which is nonsense no matter which definition you will choose. Its nonsense even in a purely biological way.

Err... no.

Read a biology text, we are apes.

 

[trophy33]

Err... no.

Read a biology text, we are apes.

As you wish.

 

[VirOptimus]

As you wish.

I know you wont.

 

[trophy33]

I know you wont.

"Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids. "
Evolution: Frequently Asked Questions

No matter from which point of view you want to look at it, you are wrong. But it does not matter - if you cannot see a difference between the ISS and a stick, between a church and a tree, you will not be convinced that you are not an ape.

 

[VirOptimus]

"Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids. "
Evolution: Frequently Asked Questions

No matter from which point of view you want to look at it, you are wrong. But it does not matter - if you cannot see a difference between the ISS and a stick, between a church and a tree, you will not be convinced that you are not an ape.

No Im not.

Ape - Wikipedia

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Glad you left...or glad you lurked?

*Or both...not everything has to be this or that.

..oh yeah...



**On a side note, do you know about diffusion?:

": the state of being spread out or transmitted especially by contact : the action of diffusing the diffusion of knowledge
2: PROLIXITY, DIFFUSENESS
3a chemistry : the process whereby particles of liquids, gases, or solids intermingle as the result of their spontaneous movement caused by thermal (see THERMAL entry 1 sense 1b) agitation and in dissolved substances move from a region of higher to one of lower concentration."

So, let's say you pour a shot of instant coffee into a glass of cold water. How long will it take those crystals to mix with the water...without doing anything more than dumping a spoonful in the water?

Now, let's say you heated the water up, then you got a heaping scoop and dumped it into the water...and then, you used the spoon to vigorously stir in the coffee crystals...how much quicker would you have a nice, steamy cup of coffee?

Why are you asking me this question?

 

[Tone]

Why are you asking me this question?

Because, I once heard that it is a good way to understand what really happened in the beginning; as an illustration of why things didn't have to take billions of years...I wanna say it's called "catastrophism" or something like that.

 

[Tone]

"Catastrophism was the theory that the Earth had largely been shaped by sudden, short-lived, violent events, possibly worldwide in scope.[1] This was in contrast to uniformitarianism (sometimes described as gradualism), in which slow incremental changes, such as erosion, created all the Earth's geological features. Uniformitarianism held that the present was the key to the past, and that all geological processes (such as erosion) throughout the past were like those that can be observed now. Since the early disputes, a more inclusive and integrated view of geologic events has developed, in which the scientific consensus accepts that there were some catastrophic events in the geologic past, but these were explicable as extreme examples of natural processes which can occur."
Catastrophism - Wikipedia

*Man, I got excellent memory...thank you Abba!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Because, I once heard that it is a good way to understand what really happened in the beginning; as an illustration of why things didn't have to take billions of years...I wanna say it's called "catastrophism" or something like that.

That's not catastrophism. Catastrophism is the theory of geology that changes in the Earth's crust has resulted from sudden violent and unusual events.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

"Catastrophism was the theory that the Earth had largely been shaped by sudden, short-lived, violent events, possibly worldwide in scope.[1] This was in contrast to uniformitarianism (sometimes described as gradualism), in which slow incremental changes, such as erosion, created all the Earth's geological features. Uniformitarianism held that the present was the key to the past, and that all geological processes (such as erosion) throughout the past were like those that can be observed now. Since the early disputes, a more inclusive and integrated view of geologic events has developed, in which the scientific consensus accepts that there were some catastrophic events in the geologic past, but these were explicable as extreme examples of natural processes which can occur."
Catastrophism - Wikipedia

*Man,I got excellent memory...thank you Abba!

That's really got nothing to do with the Big Bang Theory.

 

[Tone]

That's not catastrophism. Catastrophism is the theory of geology that changes in the Earth's crust has resulted from sudden violent and unusual events.

Well same concept...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well same concept...

Not at all. The Big Bang Theory is a theory that has the ability to explain everything in the universe. Catastrophism is solely to do with Earth and geology.

 

[Tone]

Not at all. The Big Bang Theory is a theory that has the ability to explain everything in the universe. Catastrophism is solely to do with Earth and geology.

So,you can't transfer that same stirring up concept to the big bang? Isn't that pretty much what it is supposed to be...a catastrophic event?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So,you can't transfer that same stirring up concept to the big bang? Isn't that pretty much what it is supposed to be...a catastrophic event?

No. The Bang in the Big Bang Theory was not a literal 'bang'. It was a rapid outward expansion. Like quickly blowing air into a balloon, as a simplistic example.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you find all this out on ancestry.com?

Oh my!

 

[Subduction Zone]

...if anything...I'm an eagle...

*...sometimes...a tiger...

Definitely not. Perhaps a parakeet or a lost kitten.

But in reality you are an ape.

 

[Subduction Zone]

1. Our bodies can be similar to apes, but even bodies are not 100% the same, or else you would not be able to recognize ape from human

This is a massive logical fail. We can obviously tell the difference between us and other apes. Just as other apes can recognize those of their own species. Right now you are still an ape.

2. Our spirit (or rationality, intelect, soul, whatever you want to call it) is obviously different, regarding what we achieved, how we think and regarding religion. The average life-time achievement of an ape is to use a stick to get a food.

Our intelligence is difference. But that may be more of how we think since in some ways the memory of other apes is better than ours. Again, such differences are not enough to say that you are not an ape.

3. Our position in the creation order is obviously different. We rule the world and change it, while animals accomodate to the world and to us (or die out).

What are you talking about now? There is no "creation order", or if you want to claim that there is you put a massive burden of proof upon yourself that no creationist has been able to come close to satisfying. And have you ever thought that this world might be for bacteria? If you look in your body alone you will find far more bacterial cells than you will find of your own cells. This is more thinking that is not logical at all. You are still an ape.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You said that we are 100% apes. Which is nonsense no matter which definition you will choose. Its nonsense even in a purely biological way.

We can be from apes, but we are obviously somewhere else now.

Sorry, you can't grow out of your heritage. You are still an ape just as you are still a mammal.

 

[USincognito]

1. Our bodies can be similar to apes, but even bodies are not 100% the same, or else you would not be able to recognize ape from human.

Why would the bodies of different species of apes be 100% the same?

And when you try to separate humans from apes that's like trying to separate cats from felines or oak trees from angiosperms.