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Why in your comparisons are there only atheists and Christians? I have searched in my life and I truly see that HaShem leads me back to the synagogue every time. I would never say that your journey is wrong, yet I suspect I will be told that my journey is.
What was the equivalent in the OT of the syngogue used in the Christian NT. Thanks :wave:

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Strong's Number G4864 matches the Greek συναγωγή (synagōgē), which occurs 57 times in 57 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

1st time used:

NKJV) Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues/sunagwgaiV <4864>, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.


Last time used:

NKJV) Revelation 3:9 "Indeed I will make [those] of the synagogue/sunagwghV <4864> of the Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie --
indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

There is a thread over here concerning Reve 3:9 for those here who would like to peruse it :angel:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7652857/
Who are the people who say they are Jews but are not?



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No...the fat Chinese Buddha is not the Buddha that founded Buddhism. Buddha is a title given to someone who has attained full enlightenment; there are multiple Buddhas.

Buddhism is a non-theistic religion - the Buddha generally isn't viewed as a god.

The basics of Buddhism are pretty simple - the four noble truths article on Wikipedia is a pretty good explanation.

Well thank you Morningstar. I read your link. I now understand Buddhism to be more of a philosophy. I'm not sure why anyone would consider it a religion (well unless one knows nothing about it like I did until 5 minutes ago).

From my vast knowledge of Buddhism, I'm ready to make some assumptions (wish me luck). I'd say Buddhism replaces what a lot of people are looking for in a religion. Mainly how to be happy and feel you have some control over your life. If I were a bit more dissatisfied with my life, I might take up Buddhism. So far so good though. I now understand a bit better why Proscribe is interested in Buddhism. Thanks again Morningstar.
 
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Right.

While Jesus walked the earth, those SEEing His :angel: miracles, were just like atheists everywhere: they rationalized, & excused themselves, & outright refused to believe, even after "physical proof". why? because they did NOT wanna. - So Jesus said to the few, who got their act in gear: John 20:29 "Jesus said to Thomas, "You believe because you've seen me. Blessed are those who haven't seen me but believe :thumbsup:."
and
God/Jesus specifically said: Want to live in Heaven? - Convert, and become as a little child.
Why would God ask a grown person, to revert AS as little? child.
Obviously because a little child is teach-able.
God knew He could teach me as a Kindergartner (even in a communist-country); God knew I would to Him listen... and I :) did.

(in stark contrast: are atheists the world over, who DONT wanna be saved, DONT wanna convert,
DONT wanna listen as a little child; - and then blame God, for their stupidity.
And such nonsense they call "logic" :doh:) and God said
that they too, to their peril failing - will have their reward.

Either way, God has done His :clap: part in all the ways He can,
short of 'force'; but God will never force you to Heaven,
so you can say "God forced me into Heaven, & I don't even wanna be here". - No,
No.
God will allow you the reward... you demonstrate to Him, as a mortal. :wave:

Jesus' ministry was full of "signs and wonders" and he used them as a basis for encouraging people to believe.
John 10:25-26
25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

Jesus appeals to his miracles as evidence.

John 10:37-38
“If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.”

In other words, "If you can't take my word for it then look at the miracles!" Why would Jesus say that if needing miraculous evidence to believe is so evil?

And again ...
John 14:11
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

And ...
John 20:24
24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."

Here Thomas demands a sign before he will believe and as we know, he was allegedly given one. Obviously Jesus would prefer that people would just take his word for it in all these passages ... but he never withholds a sign when one is necessary.

More....
John 2:23
“Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.”

John 3:2
“The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.”

John 11:43-45
"And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him."

Those texts show that some people who even met Jesus, would not accept him based upon his words alone, which is why he provided them with tangible, first-hand evidence to convince them to accept his words. Even after the Holy Spirit supposedly came to the church, in the NIV, Acts 14:3 says “So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders.” Considering that Jesus had supposedly performed many miracles in front of thousands of people, including many miracles that were not recorded, and had appeared to hundreds of people after he rose from the dead, and had criticized his disciples for their unbelief, and that there were thousands of surviving eyewitnesses who were still around, and that the Holy Spirit had come to the church, I find it to be quite odd that God provided even more tangible, firsthand evidence. In my opinion, this brings into question the truthfulness of the claims.

Today, surely we need tangible, firsthand evidence much more than people did back then since there are not any eyewitnesses who are still alive.

What kind of God would withhold evidence that would prevent many people from spending eternity in hell (separations from god) without parole? If love and mercy are about anything, they are about second chances, and rehabilitation.
 
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What was the equivalent in the OT of the syngogue used in the Christian NT. Thanks :wave:

You are not going to find one, as far as I know The synagogue was a creation of the Diaspora when it became too difficult to get to the Temple for worship. What you find is that this becomes a major division when you look to Pharisee vs. Sadducees. The pharisees were the ones in the synagogue, thus when the Temple was destroyed they were able to carry one whereas the Sadducees were very involved with the Temple and they would crumble with it gone.
 
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Well thank you Morningstar. I read your link. I now understand Buddhism to be more of a philosophy. I'm not sure why anyone would consider it a religion (well unless one knows nothing about it like I did until 5 minutes ago).

From my vast knowledge of Buddhism, I'm ready to make some assumptions (wish me luck). I'd say Buddhism replaces what a lot of people are looking for in a religion. Mainly how to be happy and feel you have some control over your life. If I were a bit more dissatisfied with my life, I might take up Buddhism. So far so good though. I now understand a bit better why Proscribe is interested in Buddhism. Thanks again Morningstar.

There's a forum called Dharma Wheel If you want you can check it out -

Dharma Wheel &bull; Index page
 
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There's a forum called Dharma Wheel If you want you can check it out -

Dharma Wheel &bull; Index page

I'm not really searching for any solutions presently. I'm happy with science and logic. That said, I do have anger management problems when people don't use logic, so maybe I should check out your link after all. Nah, not today anyway.
 
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Except, I assume, if you are on the right path. ;)

There is only one right path. Every other path without Christ leads away from God, so no matter which direction you set out on, God is always an "about-face" away.
 
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I'm not really searching for any solutions presently. I'm happy with science and logic. That said, I do have anger management problems when people don't use logic, so maybe I should check out your link after all. Nah, not today anyway.

Anger at those who don't use logic or simply those who don't agree with you?
 
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There is only one right path. Every other path without Christ leads away from God....

Only in your opinion.

You totally overlook the fact that there are religious paths that recognize and revere both Christ and the Bible even without their being the center of attention, and that these paths can be very much oriented toward God!

Peace, :)

Bruce
 
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Originally Posted by jpcedotal come on back if u don't find what you are looking for...seriously. God is only a 180 degree turn away no matter what path you are on.
Originally Posted by Tinker Grey Except, I assume, if you are on the right path. ;)
Originally Posted by jpcedotal
There is only one right path. Every other path without Christ leads away from God....
Only in your opinion.

You totally overlook the fact that there are religious paths that recognize and revere both Christ and the Bible even without their being the center of attention, and that these paths can be very much oriented toward God!
Peace, :)
:)
The Musims revere both Christ and His mother Mary.
But, they belive Christ was only sent to the Israelites and not to the whole world. Muhammad is the one they view as the final prophet to mankind
What would be the Bahai's response to that? :angel:

NKJV) John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said "Behold! the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
36 And looking at Jesus as He walked he said "Behold the Lamb of God!"
Acts 8:32 And the contents of the Scripture that he was reading was this 'as sheep/flockling unto slaughter He was led
and as a Lamb before His shearer dumb, so He doth not open his mouth;
[Isaiah 53:7]

http://www.christianforums.com/t5615012-46/#post36126961
Jesus Christ, was he sent for all mankind?

Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.
Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?
 
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There is only one right path. Every other path without Christ leads away from God, so no matter which direction you set out on, God is always an "about-face" away.

Perhaps you should read the post I was responding to and try to understand why I had a smiley face.
 
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The Musims revere both Christ and His mother Mary. But, they belive Christ was only sent to the Israelites and not to the whole world.

We Baha'is have no problem with Christ (and other Divine Messengers) being for all humanity!

Muhammad is the one they view as the final prophet to mankind
What would be the Bahai's response to that?


True, Muslims often interpret the Qur'an as stating that Muhammad, being the Seal of the Prophets, is the final prophet and that there will be no more Divine Messengers sent by God (or Allah).

In fact, IOV this whole “last prophet” thing is based upon a misunderstanding!

There are in fact several different explanations of the verse in the Qur’an saying Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets (a statement we Baha’is accept, please note!):

• First off, there is a sense in which EVERY Divine Messenger is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, and the Seal!

• Next, there are multiple Arabic words that all translate into English as "prophet."

One of these is "nabi," which refers to a minor prophet such as Jeremiah or Amos.

Another is Ras'ul, which means a major, religion-founding Divine Messenger like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, or Baha'u'llah (our Founder). (And yes, Muhammad was a major--not a minor--Prophet.)


But the word actually used in the Qur'an is "nabi," meaning Muhammad was the Seal of the minor prophets! This says nothing whatever about the great Divine Messengers.


• Muhammad is also the Seal in the sense that He was the last Messenger during the Prophetic Age, which began with Adam and ended with Him. The Bab then closed out that Age and opened the Age of Fulfillment, of which Baha'u'llah is the first major Messenger.

• Finally, there is a sense in which the word commonly translated as "seal" also means "ornament," so that this verse of the Qur'an may simply be saying that Muhammad is the Ornament of the prophets! (Nothing whatever about any sort of finish.)

Best! :)

Bruce
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus The Musims revere both Christ and His mother Mary. But, they belive Christ was only sent to the Israelites and not to the whole world.
We Baha'is have no problem with Christ (and other Divine Messengers) being for all humanity!



True, Muslims often interpret the Qur'an as stating that Muhammad, being the Seal of the Prophets, is the final prophet and that there will be no more Divine Messengers sent by God (or Allah).

In fact, IOV this whole “last prophet” thing is based upon a misunderstanding!

There are in fact several different explanations of the verse in the Qur’an saying Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets (a statement we Baha’is accept, please note!):

• First off, there is a sense in which EVERY Divine Messenger is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, and the Seal!

• Next, there are multiple Arabic words that all translate into English as "prophet."

One of these is "nabi," which refers to a minor prophet such as Jeremiah or Amos.

Another is Ras'ul, which means a major, religion-founding Divine Messenger like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, or Baha'u'llah (our Founder). (And yes, Muhammad was a major--not a minor--Prophet.)

But the word actually used in the Qur'an is "nabi," meaning Muhammad was the Seal of the minor prophets! This says nothing whatever about the great Divine Messengers.

• Muhammad is also the Seal in the sense that He was the last Messenger during the Prophetic Age, which began with Adam and ended with Him. The Bab then closed out that Age and opened the Age of Fulfillment, of which Baha'u'llah is the first major Messenger.

• Finally, there is a sense in which the word commonly translated as "seal" also means "ornament," so that this verse of the Qur'an may simply be saying that Muhammad is the Ornament of the prophets! (Nothing whatever about any sort of finish.)

Best! :)

Bruce
Good stuff and thanks for giving the Bahai's view Bruce :wave:
 
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Why did you jump from one myth to another? Is Buddhism not what I think it is? Isn't it a religion created around a fat chinese guy?

Buddhism is most definitely not what you think it is, if you think embracing it is embracing a myth. No, it was not created around a 'fat Chinese guy.' It was founded in India about 500 B.C. Buddhists are agnostics when it comes to gods. Buddha insisted that gods, if they existed at all, were trapped on the same wheel of life as you and I and were of no help if you wanted to get off of it.

As for the 'fat Chinese guy' there were no idols of the Buddha for the first many centuries of its existence, these were first introduced by the Greeks who came into India with Alexander the Great (and subsequently converted to Buddhism.) The first idols of the Buddha were modeled after the Greek god Apollo. The Chinese depicted the Buddha as fat because this is a sign of well-being in their culture. However, the Laughing Buddha is, as Booko pointed out, not Guatama Buddha at all. He is a bodhisatva called Amitabha Buddha. In Mahayana Buddhism these are Buddha-type figures who have taken a vow to enter Nirvana until all sentient beings have gone before them. In other words, they continue to be reborn in order to save everyone.
 
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Isaiah 1:18 says HaShem said "come let us reason together".

This paragraph seems to say "reason is bad".

Whom should I trust?

I think what he is giving you is a rather garbled version of what Paul says in 1 Corinthians:

1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

I think what Paul is saying here is that a crucified Messiah doesn't make sense to the Jews who expected, a conquering hero, nor does a God who suffers make sense in Greek philosophical terms.
 
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Originally Posted by LoAmmi Isaiah 1:18 says HaShem said "come let us reason together".

This paragraph seems to say "reason is bad".

Whom should I trust?
I think what he is giving you is a rather garbled version of what Paul says in 1 Corinthians:

I think what Paul is saying here is that a crucified Messiah doesn't make sense to the Jews who expected, a conquering hero, nor does a God who suffers make sense in Greek philosophical terms.
Good post.
The Christian NT book of Revelation shows Jesus, not only of the tribe of Judah, root of David, but also as a conqueriong lion :) :angel:

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Strong's Number G3528 matches the Greek &#957;&#953;&#954;&#8049;&#969; (nika&#333;), which occurs 29 times in 24 verses in the Greek concordance

John 16:33 "These things I have spoken to ye, that in Me ye may have peace. In the world ye will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have conquered/nenikhka <3528> (5758) the world."

NKJV) Revelation 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed/enikhsen <3528> (5656) to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

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