Changed my Faith Icon to Agnostic:Explanation

[fschmidt]

Your constant attacking of rabbinic Judaism leads me to the idea that you have some sort of hatred toward it. That is not a "hysterical personal attack". You demonstrate a clear pattern. If you would like to correct my findings, please go ahead.

Your reaction, unsurprisingly, was to my statement that was mostly against Liberalism. The Chabad rabbi would agree with most of what I wrote. The only thing I constantly attack is Liberalism which I view as evil. I have a few disagreements with Orthodox Judaism, just as you do, but I generally respect Orthodox Judaism. I have no respect for other forms of Rabbinic Judaism which I view as part of Liberalism. And most importantly, the Chabad rabbi would never make a statement to anyone that "You honestly just seem to hate.".

 

[LoAmmi]

Your reaction, unsurprisingly, was to my statement that was mostly against Liberalism. The Chabad rabbi would agree with most of what I wrote. The only thing I constantly attack is Liberalism which I view as evil. I have a few disagreements with Orthodox Judaism, just as you do, but I generally respect Orthodox Judaism. I have no respect for other forms of Rabbinic Judaism which I view as part of Liberalism. And most importantly, the Chabad rabbi would never make a statement to anyone that "You honestly just seem to hate.".

My response was to your statement

This is another problem I have with Judaism, the emphasis on legalism instead of reason.

Please explain how that is an attack on liberalism and not rabbinic Judaism in general.

I am not a Chabad rabbi. I may make statements a rabbi would not. I may even regret them later. I am merely human.


EDIT: I see I missed your statement about non-Orthodox Jews and thought you said Orthodox Jews. I did not realize Orthodox Jews were assigning life sentences to those that commit adultery. Could you provide me a link to such an occurrence or are they committing the same mistake as worshiping Baal?


I hope you realize that you are simply attacking me as opposed to addressing my points.

 

[fschmidt]

My response was to your statement [about legalism] Please explain how that is an attack on liberalism and not rabbinic Judaism in general.

That part was a disagreement with, not an attach on, rabbinic Judaism. The rest was about adultery which is only defended by liberals.

EDIT: I see I missed your statement about non-Orthodox Jews and thought you said Orthodox Jews. I did not realize Orthodox Jews were assigning life sentences to those that commit adultery. Could you provide me a link to such an occurrence or are they committing the same mistake as worshiping Baal?

Orthodox Jews are not in political power, so they don't have this option. They do what they can to discourage adultery among their members. They do not tolerate adultery the way liberals do.

I hope you realize that you are simply attacking me as opposed to addressing my points.

When the personal attacks begin, as they inevitably do whenever I deal with liberals, I give up on rational debate.

 

[LoAmmi]

That part was a disagreement with, not an attach on, rabbinic Judaism. The rest was about adultery which is only defended by liberals.

When has adultery been defended by Judaism exactly?

Orthodox Jews are not in political power, so they don't have this option. They do what they can to discourage adultery among their members. They do not tolerate adultery the way liberals do.

What do they do to people that commit adultery?

 

[smaneck]

When the personal attacks begin, as they inevitably do whenever I deal with liberals, I give up on rational debate.

Excuse me Schmidt, but you have done nothing since you appeared on this forum but attack liberals gratuitously.

 

[fschmidt]

Excuse me Schmidt, but you have done nothing since you appeared on this forum but attack liberals gratuitously.

I attack ideas, not people.

 

[LoAmmi]

I attack ideas, not people.

If you use a label to define what is essentially a despicable group, your use of "Liberalism" in this case, and then openly put people in that group that have not stated they subscribe to the attributes you have ascribed to that group, you are attacking people.

 

[smaneck]

If you use a label to define what is essentially a despicable group, your use of "Liberalism" in this case, and then openly put people in that group that have not stated they subscribe to the attributes you have ascribed to that group, you are attacking people.

Thank you. I believe he has done the same thing with feminists. They too are people, not ideas.

 

[Zoness]

I attack ideas, not people.

By having an arch-group that you add people you don't like so you can make blanket attacks on and not be subject to the rules of the forum, clever.

 

[ProScribe]

plus + many people say God told me this or told me to do that and I'm skeptical about it.

 

[razeontherock]

plus + many people say God told me this or told me to do that and I'm skeptical about it.

A very good thing to take an agnostic position on!

 

[LoAmmi]

A very good thing to take an agnostic position on!

Well... you know...

I was told to take that position...

 

[ProScribe]

Well... you know...

I was told to take that position...

Which position is that? Something in politics