Challenge Thread: Were you wrong about Pluto?

[Kylie]

In another thread, someone made this comment:
If this is your sentiment as well, were you wrong about Pluto being our ninth planet?

I feel I must point out that the decision not to refer to Pluto as a planet anymore did not actually change anything about Pluto itself.

Don't confuse how we refer to a thing with the thing itself.

 

[Ophiolite]

I feel I must point out that the decision not to refer to Pluto as a planet anymore did not actually change anything about Pluto itself.

Don't confuse how we refer to a thing with the thing itself.

Absolutely!

The map is not the territory.
Alfred Korzybski

And no organism on the planet has a coding in its DNA that translates directly into genus and species. Those are convenient artificialities. Another point AV seems not to understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

The map is not the territory.

That map gave the wrong information for 76 years.

Or so some would like us to think.

If it was so blatantly wrong, they wouldn't have had to rig a vote to change that map.

Not allowing the planetary astronomers to vote, insured they would get what they were after.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That map gave the wrong information for 76 years.

Or so some would like us to think.

If it was so blatantly wrong, they wouldn't have had to rig a vote to change that map.

Not allowing the planetary astronomers to vote, insured they would get what they were after.

How so? What "non-map" information has changed? From what I have seen no false information was provided. You are appearing to blame others for your own inability to understand a concept, again.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

That map gave the wrong information for 76 years.

Or so some would like us to think.

Other than you, who would like us to think that?

 

[AV1611VET]

That map gave the wrong information for 76 years.

What "non-map" information has changed?

Nice try.

 

[AV1611VET]

Other than you, who would like us to think that?

QV please:

Public reception to the IAU decision was mixed. A resolution introduced in the California State Assembly facetiously called the IAU decision a "scientific heresy". The New Mexico House of Representatives passed a resolution in honor of Tombaugh, a longtime resident of that state, that declared that Pluto will always be considered a planet while in New Mexican skies and that March 13, 2007, was Pluto Planet Day. The Illinois Senate passed a similar resolution in 2009, on the basis that Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, was born in Illinois. The resolution asserted that Pluto was "unfairly downgraded to a 'dwarf' planet" by the IAU." Some members of the public have also rejected the change, citing the disagreement within the scientific community on the issue, or for sentimental reasons, maintaining that they have always known Pluto as a planet and will continue to do so regardless of the IAU decision.

SOURCE

 

[VirOptimus]

QV please:

Public reception to the IAU decision was mixed. A resolution introduced in the California State Assembly facetiously called the IAU decision a "scientific heresy". The New Mexico House of Representatives passed a resolution in honor of Tombaugh, a longtime resident of that state, that declared that Pluto will always be considered a planet while in New Mexican skies and that March 13, 2007, was Pluto Planet Day. The Illinois Senate passed a similar resolution in 2009, on the basis that Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, was born in Illinois. The resolution asserted that Pluto was "unfairly downgraded to a 'dwarf' planet" by the IAU." Some members of the public have also rejected the change, citing the disagreement within the scientific community on the issue, or for sentimental reasons, maintaining that they have always known Pluto as a planet and will continue to do so regardless of the IAU decision.

SOURCE

Yes, people hate change.

The definition changed with zero consequences for you. Get over it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, people hate change.

Not when cowards do it though.

Pluto got changed illegally, by cowards who didn't have the guts to allow planetary astronomers vote.

That makes academia smile, of course, but due process took a hit.

The definition changed with zero consequences for you.

Oh, wow.

Is that supposed to mean something?

How does that saying go?

First they rigged a vote about a planet, and I said nothing. Then they rigged a vote about [whatever], and I said nothing. Finally they rigged a vote about me, and there was no one left to help me.

Get over it.

Ya ... there's a lot we have to get over because of science making mistakes and outright illegal activity; isn't there?

 

[VirOptimus]

Not when cowards do it though.

Pluto got changed illegally, by cowards who didn't have the guts to allow planetary astronomers vote.

That makes academia smile, of course, but due process took a hit.Oh, wow.

Is that supposed to mean something?

How does that saying go?

First they rigged a vote about a planet, and I said nothing. Then they rigged a vote about [whatever], and I said nothing. Finally they rigged a vote about me, and there was no one left to help me.Ya ... there's a lot we have to get over because of science making mistakes and outright illegal activity; isn't there?

Which law(s) where broken? Citation and paragraph.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which law(s) where broken?

Fair enough. They broke their own bylaws.

Citation and paragraph.

QV this thread for the particulars: The Pluto Issue

 

[Bungle_Bear]

QV please:

Public reception to the IAU decision was mixed. A resolution introduced in the California State Assembly facetiously called the IAU decision a "scientific heresy". The New Mexico House of Representatives passed a resolution in honor of Tombaugh, a longtime resident of that state, that declared that Pluto will always be considered a planet while in New Mexican skies and that March 13, 2007, was Pluto Planet Day. The Illinois Senate passed a similar resolution in 2009, on the basis that Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, was born in Illinois. The resolution asserted that Pluto was "unfairly downgraded to a 'dwarf' planet" by the IAU." Some members of the public have also rejected the change, citing the disagreement within the scientific community on the issue, or for sentimental reasons, maintaining that they have always known Pluto as a planet and will continue to do so regardless of the IAU decision.

SOURCE

Where does that day "the map gave wrong information"? Clutching at non-existent straws just makes you look like an ignorantly sore loser.

As a matter of interest, what was the IAU definition of planet before that fateful day in 2006?

 

[dlamberth]

First they rigged a vote about a planet, and I said nothing. Then they rigged a vote about [whatever], and I said nothing. Finally they rigged a vote about me, and there was no one left to help me.Ya ... there's a lot we have to get over because of science making mistakes and outright illegal activity; isn't there?

Are you wanting to be voted in as a planet?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where does that day "the map gave wrong information"? Clutching at non-existent straws just makes you look like an ignorantly sore loser.

As a matter of interest, what was the IAU definition of planet before that fateful day in 2006?

Nice try.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you wanting to be voted in as a planet?

Ya ... I'm tired of just being a "wandering star" around here.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

QV please:

Public reception to the IAU decision was mixed. A resolution introduced in the California State Assembly facetiously called the IAU decision a "scientific heresy". The New Mexico House of Representatives passed a resolution in honor of Tombaugh, a longtime resident of that state, that declared that Pluto will always be considered a planet while in New Mexican skies and that March 13, 2007, was Pluto Planet Day. The Illinois Senate passed a similar resolution in 2009, on the basis that Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, was born in Illinois. The resolution asserted that Pluto was "unfairly downgraded to a 'dwarf' planet" by the IAU." Some members of the public have also rejected the change, citing the disagreement within the scientific community on the issue, or for sentimental reasons, maintaining that they have always known Pluto as a planet and will continue to do so regardless of the IAU decision.

SOURCE

Good grief! are people's lives so empty that have to make a song and dance about a scientific redefinition from 'planet' to 'dwarf planet'? They probably don't even understand why it was done...

 

[AV1611VET]

Good grief! are people's lives so empty that have to make a song and dance about a scientific redefinition from 'planet' to 'dwarf planet'? They probably don't even understand why it was done...

But let a group of Christians rig a vote though and it'll be all over the Internet, won't it?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Nice try.

Nicer avoidance. You dare not answer because you know you'll be shown up, eh?

 

[AV1611VET]

Nicer avoidance. You dare not answer because you know you'll be shown up, eh?

You know as well as I do that Pluto was considered our 9th planet.

That has changed.

 

[Ophiolite]

Good grief! are people's lives so empty that have to make a song and dance about a scientific redefinition from 'planet' to 'dwarf planet'? They probably don't even understand why it was done...

Indeed. Now, I do think the manner in which the vote was taken was a good example of the pettiness of interal organisation politics. I also think the new definition of planets is flawed - "clearing their orbital path" is a qualitative, not a quantitative distinction. But having thought "that's a bit off", with regard to the vote, and "that's a lousy example of a scientific definition", in respect of the that, I moved on to things that were actually important. Meanwhile, as you suggest, others seem to view incessant whining as more important.